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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s an uncertain time for those who make their money off of the written word. In the end, I want to believe that the changes will benefit the reader. What do you think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see how readers will benefit if writing becomes a riskier, costlier, and less profitable venture for authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s an uncertain time for those who make their money off of the written word. In the end, I want to believe that the changes will benefit the reader. What do you think?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how readers will benefit if writing becomes a riskier, costlier, and less profitable venture for authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon76</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy moly. I&#039;m in awe. Though I wasn&#039;t around for the second book, nor around to edit Nightswimming, I was the editor who contracted that book.

I&#039;m just flabbergasted. For one brief moment, I (figuratively) touched a shining star. I&#039;m tickled pink for her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy moly. I&#8217;m in awe. Though I wasn&#8217;t around for the second book, nor around to edit Nightswimming, I was the editor who contracted that book.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just flabbergasted. For one brief moment, I (figuratively) touched a shining star. I&#8217;m tickled pink for her!</p>
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		<title>By: Angela James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I had no idea Rebecca James had landed a deal like that, good for her. I remember that book, and the second she subbed, and the conversations I had with her editor. Her writing was excellent but the second book just didn&#039;t &quot;fit&quot; for us and the editor and I agreed we weren&#039;t going to sign it. How awesome for her that this has happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I had no idea Rebecca James had landed a deal like that, good for her. I remember that book, and the second she subbed, and the conversations I had with her editor. Her writing was excellent but the second book just didn&#8217;t &#8220;fit&#8221; for us and the editor and I agreed we weren&#8217;t going to sign it. How awesome for her that this has happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222647&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;katiebabs&lt;/a&gt;: No way! Nightswimming (at Samhain) only net her $100? 

OMG that book was freaking awesome! Someone from DA should review this, because folks are missing out. (MRs G gave this a 95! And we all know how often she give out those.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-222647" rel="nofollow">katiebabs</a>: No way! Nightswimming (at Samhain) only net her $100? </p>
<p>OMG that book was freaking awesome! Someone from DA should review this, because folks are missing out. (MRs G gave this a 95! And we all know how often she give out those.)</p>
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		<title>By: katiebabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiebabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re going to love this one about the mother from Australia who got a million dollar advance:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/books/milliondollar-mum-hailed-as-new-jk-rowling/2009/11/06/1257247749015.html?autostart=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re going to love this one about the mother from Australia who got a million dollar advance:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/books/milliondollar-mum-hailed-as-new-jk-rowling/2009/11/06/1257247749015.html?autostart=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/books/milliondollar-mum-hailed-as-new-jk-rowling/2009/11/06/1257247749015.html?autostart=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve noticed is that Ballantine (and Random House in general) has really, really good market penetration--that is, it gets its books on lots of shelves in lots of little corners of the world. I&#039;m always seeing Ballantine books in tiny grocery stores and the like.  A lot of those places are not reporting to the major lists (or Bookscan).

If you can identify a series of genre authors over a course of a number of years who are consistently getting six figure advances from one house, I think it&#039;s much, MUCH more likely that the house has a pretty good idea of earn-out figures and doesn&#039;t feel like it&#039;s risking the farm paying those advances. If the initial set of authors had really burned Ballantine, you&#039;d think that they would have cut back for the former, if they had even an inkling of rationality, right? They&#039;re running profit &amp; loss statements for the new authors when they make an offer, and they have to be basing their figures in part on past performance. That they haven&#039;t cut back the advances is evidence that they don&#039;t feel they&#039;re overpaying.

This is not to say that there isn&#039;t overpayment on advances, but I suspect that overall there&#039;s less of that in romance than you see in some other fields.

This is not to say that times are not a-changing; just that I wouldn&#039;t look at Ballantine&#039;s model and say that high #s for romance indicate overpayment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed is that Ballantine (and Random House in general) has really, really good market penetration&#8211;that is, it gets its books on lots of shelves in lots of little corners of the world. I&#8217;m always seeing Ballantine books in tiny grocery stores and the like.  A lot of those places are not reporting to the major lists (or Bookscan).</p>
<p>If you can identify a series of genre authors over a course of a number of years who are consistently getting six figure advances from one house, I think it&#8217;s much, MUCH more likely that the house has a pretty good idea of earn-out figures and doesn&#8217;t feel like it&#8217;s risking the farm paying those advances. If the initial set of authors had really burned Ballantine, you&#8217;d think that they would have cut back for the former, if they had even an inkling of rationality, right? They&#8217;re running profit &amp; loss statements for the new authors when they make an offer, and they have to be basing their figures in part on past performance. That they haven&#8217;t cut back the advances is evidence that they don&#8217;t feel they&#8217;re overpaying.</p>
<p>This is not to say that there isn&#8217;t overpayment on advances, but I suspect that overall there&#8217;s less of that in romance than you see in some other fields.</p>
<p>This is not to say that times are not a-changing; just that I wouldn&#8217;t look at Ballantine&#8217;s model and say that high #s for romance indicate overpayment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola, Sterling Editing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicola, Sterling Editing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s an uncertain time for those who make their money off of the written word. In the end, I want to believe that the changes will benefit the reader. What do you think?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it will, because it will benefit the midlist writer--eventually.  In the short term, though, I think some writers will give up and some good books won&#039;t get written.  More likely, though: a lot of mediocre books won&#039;t get written.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s an uncertain time for those who make their money off of the written word. In the end, I want to believe that the changes will benefit the reader. What do you think?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it will, because it will benefit the midlist writer&#8211;eventually.  In the short term, though, I think some writers will give up and some good books won&#8217;t get written.  More likely, though: a lot of mediocre books won&#8217;t get written.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Like A Party With Women All Wearing The Same Dress! &#171; The eBook Test</title>
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		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Like A Party With Women All Wearing The Same Dress! &#171; The eBook Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s Like A Party With Women All Wearing The Same&#160;Dress!  I learned of this via Dear Author: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s Like A Party With Women All Wearing The Same&nbsp;Dress!  I learned of this via Dear Author: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Janet W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free wifi at Starbucks in Borders is a great teaser. Brings people through the doors. For what it&#039;s worth, that&#039;s why I sought out a Borders near the airport in upstate New York state: so I could fit in a bit of work on a trip. My dh has portable boardband: nice, but it&#039;s so adds so much weight to the puter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free wifi at Starbucks in Borders is a great teaser. Brings people through the doors. For what it&#8217;s worth, that&#8217;s why I sought out a Borders near the airport in upstate New York state: so I could fit in a bit of work on a trip. My dh has portable boardband: nice, but it&#8217;s so adds so much weight to the puter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Barbosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie Barbosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Lindsay Graves never made a bestseller list. Kimberly Raye squeaked into the USA Today list for the first two books (126 and 145 for books 1 and 2) but the nothing since 2008 has placed. Christy Reece’s books were published back to back to back this summer but she never placed on the bestseller list either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think making the bestseller lists may be a poor way to gauge whether a book has earned back a large advance, though. Making most of the lists requires a large &quot;clump&quot; of sales. A book that sells steadily over 4-6 months may actually be a better earner for the publisher than one that has made a bestseller list for a week or two and then has its sales drop off significantly. I know of several books that had an initial print run well above the earn out point for a $40k advance that have gone into a second printing without ever hitting any bestseller lists.

That said, while Audrey Niffenegger was obviously overpaid for her current book based on its sales,  I say more power to her. She probably won&#039;t earn out that advance and she&#039;ll probably never get that kind of advance again, but hey, one payout of $5 million plus a first book that&#039;s more than earned out its advance and continues to hit bestseller lists is a lifetime&#039;s income. I&#039;d take it :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Lindsay Graves never made a bestseller list. Kimberly Raye squeaked into the USA Today list for the first two books (126 and 145 for books 1 and 2) but the nothing since 2008 has placed. Christy Reece’s books were published back to back to back this summer but she never placed on the bestseller list either.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think making the bestseller lists may be a poor way to gauge whether a book has earned back a large advance, though. Making most of the lists requires a large &#8220;clump&#8221; of sales. A book that sells steadily over 4-6 months may actually be a better earner for the publisher than one that has made a bestseller list for a week or two and then has its sales drop off significantly. I know of several books that had an initial print run well above the earn out point for a $40k advance that have gone into a second printing without ever hitting any bestseller lists.</p>
<p>That said, while Audrey Niffenegger was obviously overpaid for her current book based on its sales,  I say more power to her. She probably won&#8217;t earn out that advance and she&#8217;ll probably never get that kind of advance again, but hey, one payout of $5 million plus a first book that&#8217;s more than earned out its advance and continues to hit bestseller lists is a lifetime&#8217;s income. I&#8217;d take it :).</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-222610&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@MaryK&lt;/a&gt;  Yes, the concern is that these readers have complaints.  About their product.  Not very good employees if the Vine program is designed to sell books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-222610" rel="nofollow">@MaryK</a>  Yes, the concern is that these readers have complaints.  About their product.  Not very good employees if the Vine program is designed to sell books.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vine article made me laugh:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“These people may be fine readers, but I think when you get something that’s free as part of a program like that, they’re hypercritical,” &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m confused; I thought people who get free books are shills.

Okay, nobody give their opinions about books.  You can only talk about a book if you&#039;re advertising it.

pfhht!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vine article made me laugh:</p>
<blockquote><p>“These people may be fine readers, but I think when you get something that’s free as part of a program like that, they’re hypercritical,” </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m confused; I thought people who get free books are shills.</p>
<p>Okay, nobody give their opinions about books.  You can only talk about a book if you&#8217;re advertising it.</p>
<p>pfhht!</p>
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