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		<description>[...] Readers and Reviewers Online Don’ts &#124; Dear Author: Romance Novel Reviews, Industry News, and Comme... My favorite: &#8220;When a group of readers or authors engaged in a heavy discussion, don’t feel timid or left out. The fact the discussion is out in the open means it’s an open invitation for you to join whenever you like.&#8221; (tags: books blogging) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe-the-writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with everything MPH said. And I also agree with you, Jane, when it comes to reviews. Readers need them and want them. Writers can learn from them...even the bad ones. But I&#039;m talking about real reviews, not book roasts where excerpts are taken out of context and the writer is made to look like a fool. Maybe you&#039;ve never seen any &quot;reviews&quot; like this? I don&#039;t know. But I know for a fact this happens, and I know you wouldn&#039;t disagree with me, because you&#039;re such an excellent reviewer yourself. You&#039;d never review/roast a book based on petty jealousy or a hidden personal agenda. You&#039;re much too professional for that. And I&#039;m certainly not including you when I mention this. I have too much respect for what you&#039;re doing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with everything MPH said. And I also agree with you, Jane, when it comes to reviews. Readers need them and want them. Writers can learn from them&#8230;even the bad ones. But I&#8217;m talking about real reviews, not book roasts where excerpts are taken out of context and the writer is made to look like a fool. Maybe you&#8217;ve never seen any &#8220;reviews&#8221; like this? I don&#8217;t know. But I know for a fact this happens, and I know you wouldn&#8217;t disagree with me, because you&#8217;re such an excellent reviewer yourself. You&#8217;d never review/roast a book based on petty jealousy or a hidden personal agenda. You&#8217;re much too professional for that. And I&#8217;m certainly not including you when I mention this. I have too much respect for what you&#8217;re doing here.</p>
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		<title>By: MPH</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Forgot this.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1.  Authors can win all the awards they EARN, not all the awards they want. 

2.  Regarding bad karma, intent is everything when it comes to karma.  If a reviewer is peeved when a book does not meet his/her expectation and hurls abuse towards the book, the author, etc.. you can believe two things:  a) God don&#039;t like ugly and b) God reads book reviews.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.</p>
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<p>1.  Authors can win all the awards they EARN, not all the awards they want. </p>
<p>2.  Regarding bad karma, intent is everything when it comes to karma.  If a reviewer is peeved when a book does not meet his/her expectation and hurls abuse towards the book, the author, etc.. you can believe two things:  a) God don&#8217;t like ugly and b) God reads book reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: MPH</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-203116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jane&lt;/a&gt;: 

Jane, I am not talking about professional (or at least professionally minded0 reviewers who are able and willing to read an entire book and to provide an articulate and intelligent evaluation of the work&#039;s good points in addition to any failings in question.  

Perhaps you noticed in my earlier post I thanked reviewers for their time and effort.  As a writer, I am going to evaluate a review for my own work based upon how it might prove beneficial to me.  

A review clearly meant to mock or denigrate the book is not &quot;for&quot; the author, nor is it &quot;for&quot; the readers.  Such reviews are self-indulgent, and like self-indulgent books, are insignificant to people with critical thinking skills.  I don&#039;t know any unintelligent people who are regular readers.  I don&#039;t know any regular readers who are easily susceptible to irrational opinions presented in a manner poorly formed and lacking a degree of professional self-control.  

A reviewer having a &quot;meltdown&quot; or other comparable &quot;fit&quot; over a book s/he strongly disliked or could not relate to is no different than a toddler having a temper tantrum in the mall.  Passers-by may turn their heads and notice, some may feel concern, empathy, annoyance, or other emotion towards the child for being disruptive and making noise, but ultimately they go on about their business and the child and his tantrum are delegated to where they belong.  Forgetfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-203116" rel="nofollow">Jane</a>: </p>
<p>Jane, I am not talking about professional (or at least professionally minded0 reviewers who are able and willing to read an entire book and to provide an articulate and intelligent evaluation of the work&#8217;s good points in addition to any failings in question.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you noticed in my earlier post I thanked reviewers for their time and effort.  As a writer, I am going to evaluate a review for my own work based upon how it might prove beneficial to me.  </p>
<p>A review clearly meant to mock or denigrate the book is not &#8220;for&#8221; the author, nor is it &#8220;for&#8221; the readers.  Such reviews are self-indulgent, and like self-indulgent books, are insignificant to people with critical thinking skills.  I don&#8217;t know any unintelligent people who are regular readers.  I don&#8217;t know any regular readers who are easily susceptible to irrational opinions presented in a manner poorly formed and lacking a degree of professional self-control.  </p>
<p>A reviewer having a &#8220;meltdown&#8221; or other comparable &#8220;fit&#8221; over a book s/he strongly disliked or could not relate to is no different than a toddler having a temper tantrum in the mall.  Passers-by may turn their heads and notice, some may feel concern, empathy, annoyance, or other emotion towards the child for being disruptive and making noise, but ultimately they go on about their business and the child and his tantrum are delegated to where they belong.  Forgetfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: MPH</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-203115&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe-the-writer&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought that was funny, and great karma. I hope the writer eventually comes out and talks about it so people will begin to question this reviewer’s credentials. But most writers don’t like to do that. And, I guess &lt;strong&gt;it’s not really worth the time or energy.&lt;/strong&gt; He won the award. She’s still hocking poorly written book roasts as thinly veiled reviews.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo.  An opinion is only as valuable as the intent and the integrity of its owner.  Have I had a good laugh at some rather vile reviews?  Absolutely.  They are what they are, meant to draw attention and to express strong opinions.  Has it affected my decision to purchase and/or read a book?  No.  The &quot;flamey&quot; style reviews can even benefit an author since they attract attention more than a bland review might.  You know the old saying &quot;All publicity is good publicity.&quot; 

As for the well-received award winning author, why should s/he be bothered addressing the &quot;flame&quot; review of a person who is utterly insignificant to his/her career?  As you know, writing is involved time-consuming work and most productive happy well-adjusted people do not make time for negative insignificant people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-203115" rel="nofollow">Joe-the-writer</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>I thought that was funny, and great karma. I hope the writer eventually comes out and talks about it so people will begin to question this reviewer’s credentials. But most writers don’t like to do that. And, I guess <strong>it’s not really worth the time or energy.</strong> He won the award. She’s still hocking poorly written book roasts as thinly veiled reviews.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo.  An opinion is only as valuable as the intent and the integrity of its owner.  Have I had a good laugh at some rather vile reviews?  Absolutely.  They are what they are, meant to draw attention and to express strong opinions.  Has it affected my decision to purchase and/or read a book?  No.  The &#8220;flamey&#8221; style reviews can even benefit an author since they attract attention more than a bland review might.  You know the old saying &#8220;All publicity is good publicity.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the well-received award winning author, why should s/he be bothered addressing the &#8220;flame&#8221; review of a person who is utterly insignificant to his/her career?  As you know, writing is involved time-consuming work and most productive happy well-adjusted people do not make time for negative insignificant people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-203115&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe-the-writer&lt;/a&gt; &amp;@MPH: I have to take exception with the idea that reviews have no value unless they meet MPH&#039;s a/b criteria. That may be the only way you measure reviews, but other people value reviews differently.  Further, a review is not for the author.  They are for readers. They can be an emotional response that invites readers to agree or disagree. Reviews can be, in their own way, entertainment and works of literary art (think Samuel Clemens).  

Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-203115" rel="nofollow">Joe-the-writer</a> &#038;@MPH: I have to take exception with the idea that reviews have no value unless they meet MPH&#8217;s a/b criteria. That may be the only way you measure reviews, but other people value reviews differently.  Further, a review is not for the author.  They are for readers. They can be an emotional response that invites readers to agree or disagree. Reviews can be, in their own way, entertainment and works of literary art (think Samuel Clemens).  </p>
<p>Authors can win all the awards they want and readers still have the right (without bad karma return) of stating publicly what they think of that book.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe-the-writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPH...you make a great point. I fully agree. I&#039;ve done the same thing, too, buying and loving books that have been poorly reviewed. One of the funniest things I&#039;ve seen so far this year was a book that got slammed by a reviewer, in such a horrible, mean way that it resembled a roast more than a review. The reviewer trashed the book, laughed at the writer, and questioned the writer&#039;s credentials. It was mean and very trashy. She either didn&#039;t know this writer has been around for a long time, with publishing credits from large print publishers, or didn&#039;t care. But the funniest part of the whole thing is that the writer went on to win a fairly well recognized literature award just this month. Ha. So much for her opinion. 

I thought that was funny, and great karma. I hope the writer eventually comes out and talks about it so people will begin to question this reviewer&#039;s credentials. But most writers don&#039;t like to do that. And, I guess it&#039;s not really worth the time or energy. He won the award. She&#039;s still hocking poorly written book roasts as thinly veiled reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPH&#8230;you make a great point. I fully agree. I&#8217;ve done the same thing, too, buying and loving books that have been poorly reviewed. One of the funniest things I&#8217;ve seen so far this year was a book that got slammed by a reviewer, in such a horrible, mean way that it resembled a roast more than a review. The reviewer trashed the book, laughed at the writer, and questioned the writer&#8217;s credentials. It was mean and very trashy. She either didn&#8217;t know this writer has been around for a long time, with publishing credits from large print publishers, or didn&#8217;t care. But the funniest part of the whole thing is that the writer went on to win a fairly well recognized literature award just this month. Ha. So much for her opinion. </p>
<p>I thought that was funny, and great karma. I hope the writer eventually comes out and talks about it so people will begin to question this reviewer&#8217;s credentials. But most writers don&#8217;t like to do that. And, I guess it&#8217;s not really worth the time or energy. He won the award. She&#8217;s still hocking poorly written book roasts as thinly veiled reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: MPH</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-203037&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joe-the-writer&lt;/a&gt;: 

The only value reviews have are the following: 1) if constructive and specific, a writer can benefit and 2) a favorable review MAY (and this is a big MAY) help increase sales.  

If the agenda of the review has any other purpose (ie, entertainment for the reviewer/readers, roasting an author, etc.) it is essentially useless and not worth bothering with.  

I read a poll some time ago indicating that although readers may read reviews, a sizeable number of readers are not influenced by the reviews as far as their purchasing decisions.  That makes sense to me, I&#039;m a voracious reader and I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever stopped buying a book that I thought seemed interesting because of an unfavorable review.  For that matter, I&#039;ve bought and read books with unfavorable reviews that I considered good reads.  *shrugs*  So beyond the publicity/advertising the review doesn&#039;t serve much purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-203037" rel="nofollow">Joe-the-writer</a>: </p>
<p>The only value reviews have are the following: 1) if constructive and specific, a writer can benefit and 2) a favorable review MAY (and this is a big MAY) help increase sales.  </p>
<p>If the agenda of the review has any other purpose (ie, entertainment for the reviewer/readers, roasting an author, etc.) it is essentially useless and not worth bothering with.  </p>
<p>I read a poll some time ago indicating that although readers may read reviews, a sizeable number of readers are not influenced by the reviews as far as their purchasing decisions.  That makes sense to me, I&#8217;m a voracious reader and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever stopped buying a book that I thought seemed interesting because of an unfavorable review.  For that matter, I&#8217;ve bought and read books with unfavorable reviews that I considered good reads.  *shrugs*  So beyond the publicity/advertising the review doesn&#8217;t serve much purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe-the-writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Use professional objectivity. The book may not be your cup of tea and that’s all right and if you can identify that the book has good points and may appeal to others, wonderful. Please say so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. But sometimes that&#039;s not the way it works. Different people have different agendas, and objectivity disappears. I read a review recently that was more like a book roast instead of a review. 

Writers have to learn how to deal with all kinds of reviews, and not take the mean, vicious ones to heart. Bad reviews, written objectively, usually help the writer produce better work. But when it comes to the mean, subjective reviews, the writer just has to learn how to smile and take the heat...hard as that sounds.
Good luck with your book. And try not to take the petty things, when they come, too seriously :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Use professional objectivity. The book may not be your cup of tea and that’s all right and if you can identify that the book has good points and may appeal to others, wonderful. Please say so.</p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. But sometimes that&#8217;s not the way it works. Different people have different agendas, and objectivity disappears. I read a review recently that was more like a book roast instead of a review. </p>
<p>Writers have to learn how to deal with all kinds of reviews, and not take the mean, vicious ones to heart. Bad reviews, written objectively, usually help the writer produce better work. But when it comes to the mean, subjective reviews, the writer just has to learn how to smile and take the heat&#8230;hard as that sounds.<br />
Good luck with your book. And try not to take the petty things, when they come, too seriously :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaetrin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do people really write to authors asking for free books? Srsly?

It never even occurred to me.  

I did email Meredith Duran recently to ask if Duke of Shadows was available in an ebook and she responded that it wasn&#039;t but that her new books would be.  She then very kindly offered one of her author copies if I had trouble finding it it in paper form locally (I am in South Australia).  I didn&#039;t have any luck so I emailed her back and offered to pay for the book and the postage but she declined the payment and sent me the book anyway.

I was very touched by her kindness and enjoyed the book too.

But, srsly? - people just ASK for them?  Wow, you learn something new every day I guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people really write to authors asking for free books? Srsly?</p>
<p>It never even occurred to me.  </p>
<p>I did email Meredith Duran recently to ask if Duke of Shadows was available in an ebook and she responded that it wasn&#8217;t but that her new books would be.  She then very kindly offered one of her author copies if I had trouble finding it it in paper form locally (I am in South Australia).  I didn&#8217;t have any luck so I emailed her back and offered to pay for the book and the postage but she declined the payment and sent me the book anyway.</p>
<p>I was very touched by her kindness and enjoyed the book too.</p>
<p>But, srsly? &#8211; people just ASK for them?  Wow, you learn something new every day I guess&#8230;</p>
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