Comments on: Are You a Grammar Goddess?

By: Grammar Snobs R Us | The Sweet Escape

Grammar Snobs R Us | The Sweet Escape — Sat, 23 May 2009 12:16:46 +0000

[...] Personally, I feel like I rarely make grammar errors– but maybe after taking this quiz, I will pick up an AP stylebook and investigate myself and then take back my words. Anyhow, Jane posted the poll, and it went a little something like this: Are You a Grammar Goddess? [...]

By: Robin

Robin — Fri, 22 May 2009 21:05:42 +0000

“More than” v. “over” is an obvious error, IMO, but I agree with those who argue against the validity of “which” over “that” in second sentence. IMO the second sentence is just weak and could have been fixed this way: “Vote for the one you want to see here,” or even simply, “Vote for one to appear here.”

By: votermom

votermom — Thu, 21 May 2009 14:36:37 +0000

@K.Z. Snow – I had the same problem with the second sentence. Logical error. :)
It should be “Guess which one will appear here.” or “Vote for the one that you want to be showcased here.” Or better: “Which one will appear here? Vote now!”

I didn’t spot the “Over” & “that/which” thing though.

By: Keishon

Keishon — Wed, 20 May 2009 19:06:06 +0000

You don’t have to worry about me auto-correcting your grammatical mistakes because I don’t care. You’d have to write really bad for me to notice them anyway. For the topic at hand, I checked “no” in the poll because I didn’t spot them either but the second sentence did sound kind of off to me. However, if I can understand what you’re saying, then grammar doesn’t really matter to me. I think grammar has it’s place but to be a good communicator one must speak and write to be understood by everyone. That is my 2 cents on matter.

By: Sherry Thomas

Sherry Thomas — Wed, 20 May 2009 18:37:56 +0000

Nope, neither.

The longer I’ve lived in this country, the worse my grammar gets!

By: Mary M.

Mary M. — Wed, 20 May 2009 17:07:41 +0000

Didn’t notice either mistake, but then my knowledge of English comes mostly from reading novels; I learned a few rules in school but only the most basic ones. Now that I see it I remember hearing about over/more than, but I would probably have made the same mistake. As for the second sentence, I would furiously argue in favor of using “that” over “which”. “Which” actually feels wrong to me in that case, while “that” feels natural and less of a mouthful.

Grammatical “mistakes” apart, I understood those those two sentences perfectly as they were, and I think that’s what matters the most.

By: Jane O

Jane O — Wed, 20 May 2009 15:12:01 +0000

THe AP style book is a style book, not a grammar book. Its aim is consistency within acceptable limits. For example, you can use a comma before the and in a series or not — either is acceptable but consistency is desirable. Neither of these sentences contains a grammatical error as such. What they illustrate is questionable usage. As for these two examples, I prefer more than for quantities, over for direction, but then I'm considered old-fashioned. As for that and which, if one feels obliged to make a distinction on some basis other than euphony, I would choose that for restrictive clauses, which for nonrestrictive clauses. And I agree with K.Z. Snow. The problem with the second sentence is that it makes no sense.

By: K. Z. Snow

K. Z. Snow — Wed, 20 May 2009 13:40:52 +0000

I believe there’s a far more glaring error than the use of “over” rather than “more than” (yeah, got that one), and I also believe “that” was correctly used. (I was taught “which” is used when the clause that precedes it ends with a comma: e.g., I bought a new dress, which you’ll see when I come to the party.)

My big problem was with the second sentence. “Vote for the one that will appear here” makes no sense. The phrase will appear implies certainty. First, how are voters to know which one will appear, and, second, what would be the point of voting for it?

By: cecilia

cecilia — Wed, 20 May 2009 13:20:05 +0000

I saw “Over” as an error, and guessed that the “that” was going to be identified as an error, but I don’t think that it is. Generally, in a sentence like that one, “which” would follow a comma, and the clause would provide non-essential information. “That” leads to a clause that provides essential information in the sentence.

Some grammar errors bug me because they indicate that people truly don’t think about the language they use (e.g. an amount of people as opposed to a number of people). At other times I don’t really see that it makes much difference even if I understand the rule (e.g. that vs which).

By: Venus Vaughn

Venus Vaughn — Wed, 20 May 2009 07:39:39 +0000

I didn’t vote because I saw one error and not the other.

I knew it had to be “More than” but didn’t know about “which.” I thought the 2nd sentence was awkward, and didn’t know why.

By: SonomaLass

SonomaLass — Wed, 20 May 2009 02:00:57 +0000

Got ‘em both, since I spent many years as the AP Style Guide enforcer at the charitable trust where I used to work. Don’t always agree with the old book, but I still know it whether I want to or not!

I prefer “more than” and “fewer than” or (“less than,” depending on context) to “over} and “under” with numbers.

In this usage, I would argue that either that or which is correct, because it’s a restrictive relative clause.

Who and whom, on the other hand, are NOT interchangeable, any more than I and me, he and him, they and them, et cetera.

Yeah, I’m a grammar nerd.

By: Elly Soar

Elly Soar — Wed, 20 May 2009 01:35:17 +0000

I really don’t find those ungrammatical — “if a native speaker would say it” and all that…

By: Lorraine

Lorraine — Wed, 20 May 2009 00:38:03 +0000

I’m not surprised that I didn’t catch it…my grammar sucks. All I noticed was that “home page” was spaced out in the first sentence but compounded “homepage” in the second.

BTW, thanks for the heads up on the rules of using since v because. I never knew the distinction between them *not surprised by that either*, but I’m happy to say that I do know the difference between imply and infer.

By: Marianne McA

Marianne McA — Tue, 19 May 2009 23:15:15 +0000

I would have read past both of those. When told they weren’t correct, I could work out that the use of ‘Over’ wasn’t ideal, and I mentally rephrased the other ‘Vote for which…’

But I’d bet everyone who looked at the sentences understood what Google was trying to communicate. Perhaps good grammar should be a means to an end rather than an end in itself – after all, what’s important is that we understand each other. The internet is a fairly informal medium, and if we all had to be correct all the time, I could never comment on anything.

(My inability to punctuate properly always reminds me of Pratchett’s phrase: ‘wanton cruelty to the comma’.)

By: Darlynne

Darlynne — Tue, 19 May 2009 23:10:37 +0000

The AP Style Guide, which some believe is the arbiter of good grammar, is wrong, in my opinion. I still bear the psychic scars that life in Miss Becker’s eighth grade English class gave me as proof.

By: theo

theo — Tue, 19 May 2009 20:26:16 +0000

@Laura Vivanco: That was my first thought as well. "Vote for which doodle" would clarify much better, but I doubt many people will read it other than the way it's intended. I'm waiting for the headlines and blogs that preface every other word with "like." That will be the day I toss a shoe through my monitor.

By: joanne

joanne — Tue, 19 May 2009 19:54:03 +0000

I knew that ‘over’ was incorrect — but only because of the nun who rapped my knuckles about 899 times when I was in fourth grade.

I keep trying to replace ‘that’ with ‘which’ but it hurts my head.

I ain’t always right, tho, ya no?

By: Randi

Randi — Tue, 19 May 2009 19:30:41 +0000

MaryK: or the use of ‘who’ vs ‘whom’! hahaha. I happen to use ‘whom’ whenever I can, because it’s just fun to say, but I almost never hear people use it.

By: Randi

Randi — Tue, 19 May 2009 19:29:18 +0000

I didn’t find the errors either. I did, however, find it odd when they say,

Vote for the one that will appear here!

because if all the doodles are on the page so you can vote for one, then they already appear “here”. I know what they mean, of course, but I just thought it was funny.

By: MaryK

MaryK — Tue, 19 May 2009 19:00:06 +0000

I found “over” but not “that.”

ETA: One of my pet peeves is the use of “that” in place of “who.” A person is not a “that”! Drives me nuts.