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		<title>By: Poll: Romance Tropes &#8211; Which are Your Favorites? &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poll: Romance Tropes &#8211; Which are Your Favorites? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vivian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 09:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised no one&#039;s mentioned Patricia Briggs&#039; &lt;i&gt;Mercedes Thompson&lt;/i&gt; series.  Haha this is going to be ambiguous because I&#039;ll try to avoid spoilers for those who haven&#039;t read it yet (and if you haven&#039;t, go do so, right now!).  

I thought the love triangle worked really well because it didn&#039;t stretch too long - while reading the third book I remember going CRAZY because of the triangle and saying that if Mercy didn&#039;t make up her mind soon I was going to stop reading and lo and behold, she chose :) While I did like the man she ended up choosing better, I thought both of the men Mercy had were really likable.  Briggs didn&#039;t victimize or bash the one who wasn&#039;t chosen; in fact I feel his character is heading for a really interesting character arc because he wasn&#039;t chosen (and not necessarily a romantic one where he has his own book - he has quite the past that needs exploring IMO) after the fourth book.   Then again this is an urban fantasy series so I&#039;m not sure how much reader assumption/expectation would play into the likability of the execution of a love triangle.

On the other hand, I don&#039;t like the lover triangle/quartet/howevermanyguysnow that Riley Jenson has in Keri Arthur&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Riley Jenson&lt;/i&gt; series, and that&#039;s an urban fantasy series.  So me and Riley are currently taking a break right now.

Emma Holly&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Menage&lt;/i&gt;, despite the title, gave me the feeling that the heroine had to choose between one or the other so the fact that in the end [SPOILER] she married one but kept the other in the relationship for sexy time here and there just annoyed me [END SPOILER].  Of course, this was before I read all those threesome erotic romances -____-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one&#8217;s mentioned Patricia Briggs&#8217; <i>Mercedes Thompson</i> series.  Haha this is going to be ambiguous because I&#8217;ll try to avoid spoilers for those who haven&#8217;t read it yet (and if you haven&#8217;t, go do so, right now!).  </p>
<p>I thought the love triangle worked really well because it didn&#8217;t stretch too long &#8211; while reading the third book I remember going CRAZY because of the triangle and saying that if Mercy didn&#8217;t make up her mind soon I was going to stop reading and lo and behold, she chose :) While I did like the man she ended up choosing better, I thought both of the men Mercy had were really likable.  Briggs didn&#8217;t victimize or bash the one who wasn&#8217;t chosen; in fact I feel his character is heading for a really interesting character arc because he wasn&#8217;t chosen (and not necessarily a romantic one where he has his own book &#8211; he has quite the past that needs exploring IMO) after the fourth book.   Then again this is an urban fantasy series so I&#8217;m not sure how much reader assumption/expectation would play into the likability of the execution of a love triangle.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t like the lover triangle/quartet/howevermanyguysnow that Riley Jenson has in Keri Arthur&#8217;s <i>Riley Jenson</i> series, and that&#8217;s an urban fantasy series.  So me and Riley are currently taking a break right now.</p>
<p>Emma Holly&#8217;s <i>Menage</i>, despite the title, gave me the feeling that the heroine had to choose between one or the other so the fact that in the end [SPOILER] she married one but kept the other in the relationship for sexy time here and there just annoyed me [END SPOILER].  Of course, this was before I read all those threesome erotic romances -____-</p>
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		<title>By: Mia</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2009/05/14/the-love-triangle/#comment-201669</link>
		<dc:creator>Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted depends. For me it depends on the story. However, it takes alot to overcome the triangle and for me to actually buy the book because I already am predisposed to know I have a 50/50 chance of being peeved.

Unless of course it ends up with all of them together happily ever after, but that doesn&#039;t happen too frequently outside of erotic romances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted depends. For me it depends on the story. However, it takes alot to overcome the triangle and for me to actually buy the book because I already am predisposed to know I have a 50/50 chance of being peeved.</p>
<p>Unless of course it ends up with all of them together happily ever after, but that doesn&#8217;t happen too frequently outside of erotic romances.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate, hate, hate them. Especially if done well - since the whole reason is for another book. So that means contrived and I always feel really bad for the outside person and really not liking the center of the triangle - usually the female.  Attraction maybe, but love, nope, don&#039;t like those. Which tends to eliminate a lot of books for me right now. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate, hate, hate them. Especially if done well &#8211; since the whole reason is for another book. So that means contrived and I always feel really bad for the outside person and really not liking the center of the triangle &#8211; usually the female.  Attraction maybe, but love, nope, don&#8217;t like those. Which tends to eliminate a lot of books for me right now. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-201529&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karen Templeton&lt;/a&gt;: I felt the same way about Sugar Daddy.  So much was invested in Hardy, that I couldn&#039;t get behind Gage.  Despite Hardy getting his own love story in the next novel, there was too much invested in Liberty and Hardy for them both to go different ways.  

That is definitely the crux of my problems with love triangles.  Like Jane said, if you like the character...they must do something dastardly at the end to account for them not getting the girl.  Which is just disappointing.  

Like the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle in LOST or the Edward/Bella/Jacob Twilight triangle.  No matter the outcome, someone is getting the shaft, and no matter who it is, you feel sad because they are all so likeable.  

And for it to be a TRUE love triangle, all characters MUST be likeable.  Otherwise, like someone else commented, it&#039;s not really a love triangle but a brief annoying glitch in the hero/heroine story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-201529" rel="nofollow">Karen Templeton</a>: I felt the same way about Sugar Daddy.  So much was invested in Hardy, that I couldn&#8217;t get behind Gage.  Despite Hardy getting his own love story in the next novel, there was too much invested in Liberty and Hardy for them both to go different ways.  </p>
<p>That is definitely the crux of my problems with love triangles.  Like Jane said, if you like the character&#8230;they must do something dastardly at the end to account for them not getting the girl.  Which is just disappointing.  </p>
<p>Like the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle in LOST or the Edward/Bella/Jacob Twilight triangle.  No matter the outcome, someone is getting the shaft, and no matter who it is, you feel sad because they are all so likeable.  </p>
<p>And for it to be a TRUE love triangle, all characters MUST be likeable.  Otherwise, like someone else commented, it&#8217;s not really a love triangle but a brief annoying glitch in the hero/heroine story.</p>
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		<title>By: GrowlyCub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrowlyCub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Before you go dissing someones new book, r-e-a-d it first, &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ehm, who was dissing anything?  You sound just this side of aggressive there.  What brought that on?

As for the Haymore title: I saw the ad on SBTB, clicked on it, read more and decided I didn&#039;t want to go there, even though the initial hook of the triangle relationship worked for me.  What decided me against, was that I immediately questioned how realistic the legal situation would be handled (she&#039;s a bigamist after all) and then the fact that it did sound like there would be no good solution to this triangle. I&#039;m not in the mood for sad right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Before you go dissing someones new book, r-e-a-d it first, </p></blockquote>
<p>Ehm, who was dissing anything?  You sound just this side of aggressive there.  What brought that on?</p>
<p>As for the Haymore title: I saw the ad on SBTB, clicked on it, read more and decided I didn&#8217;t want to go there, even though the initial hook of the triangle relationship worked for me.  What decided me against, was that I immediately questioned how realistic the legal situation would be handled (she&#8217;s a bigamist after all) and then the fact that it did sound like there would be no good solution to this triangle. I&#8217;m not in the mood for sad right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Evangeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like love triangles when all three parts are fully developed and the path to the center of the triangle choosing their mate focuses on them growing as a person. That way the &quot;loser&quot; in the battle also realizes they aren&#039;t the right mate for that person. I only dislike love triangles--and this is something seen in too many romances and romantic comedies--is that one love interest is blatantly wrong for the hero/ine. What is the point for creating such a false love triangle other than drawing out a superficial conflict?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like love triangles when all three parts are fully developed and the path to the center of the triangle choosing their mate focuses on them growing as a person. That way the &#8220;loser&#8221; in the battle also realizes they aren&#8217;t the right mate for that person. I only dislike love triangles&#8211;and this is something seen in too many romances and romantic comedies&#8211;is that one love interest is blatantly wrong for the hero/ine. What is the point for creating such a false love triangle other than drawing out a superficial conflict?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Madden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I chose depends. I haven&#039;t really read all that many books with love triangles, so that&#039;s why I&#039;m still on the fence about it.  One such love triangle I did read was Shayla Black&#039;s Decadent. I was so sad with it, because I ended up liking the hero who was rejected more than the hero that was picked. But I hear Shayla&#039;s working on the rejected hero&#039;s book, so I&#039;m not sure what to think about that.

I am eagerly waiting for the review of A Hint of Wicked, since it&#039;s on my TBR list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose depends. I haven&#8217;t really read all that many books with love triangles, so that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m still on the fence about it.  One such love triangle I did read was Shayla Black&#8217;s Decadent. I was so sad with it, because I ended up liking the hero who was rejected more than the hero that was picked. But I hear Shayla&#8217;s working on the rejected hero&#8217;s book, so I&#8217;m not sure what to think about that.</p>
<p>I am eagerly waiting for the review of A Hint of Wicked, since it&#8217;s on my TBR list.</p>
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		<title>By: Niki Chanel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niki Chanel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on the people and the circumstances. One of my all time favourite movies is &quot;Bandits&quot;. Bruce Willis, Billybob Thornton and Kate Blanchett breath life into the most unlikely of triangles and you love all three of them for it.

Then you have the triangle where only one person is having the triangle, oterwise known as infidelity. Those sorts are of triangles are behind most divorces, responsible for hirings and firings, replete in Hollywood, the backbone of the bi-sexual world and can be found even in the christian church (everything seems to be a trinity). So don&#039;t look all shocked. Triangles are everywhere.

Before you go dissing someones new book, r-e-a-d  it first, then remark on the style of the author and the quality of the relationship between the pages. You may not like a love triangle in your own life, but a fantasy is just that... a fantasy. Isn&#039;t that why we read romance novels - for the fantasies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on the people and the circumstances. One of my all time favourite movies is &#8220;Bandits&#8221;. Bruce Willis, Billybob Thornton and Kate Blanchett breath life into the most unlikely of triangles and you love all three of them for it.</p>
<p>Then you have the triangle where only one person is having the triangle, oterwise known as infidelity. Those sorts are of triangles are behind most divorces, responsible for hirings and firings, replete in Hollywood, the backbone of the bi-sexual world and can be found even in the christian church (everything seems to be a trinity). So don&#8217;t look all shocked. Triangles are everywhere.</p>
<p>Before you go dissing someones new book, r-e-a-d  it first, then remark on the style of the author and the quality of the relationship between the pages. You may not like a love triangle in your own life, but a fantasy is just that&#8230; a fantasy. Isn&#8217;t that why we read romance novels &#8211; for the fantasies?</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2009/05/14/the-love-triangle/#comment-201583</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put &quot;yes&quot;--and then realized that what I really like are not necessarily triangles, as are being discussed here, but books where the heroine finds she has a cheating boyfriend or spouse, and either dumps him or fights to save the relationship.  Not a true triangle, then.  But I really liked Emily&#039;s Giffin&#039;s take on it, and like the other commenter, while I sympathized with Rachel, some, I liked Darcy better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put &#8220;yes&#8221;&#8211;and then realized that what I really like are not necessarily triangles, as are being discussed here, but books where the heroine finds she has a cheating boyfriend or spouse, and either dumps him or fights to save the relationship.  Not a true triangle, then.  But I really liked Emily&#8217;s Giffin&#8217;s take on it, and like the other commenter, while I sympathized with Rachel, some, I liked Darcy better.</p>
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		<title>By: Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, there&#039;s also the Geore Lucas route where you turn one of the guys into her secret twin brother, and then everybody&#039;s happy, right? ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, there&#8217;s also the Geore Lucas route where you turn one of the guys into her secret twin brother, and then everybody&#8217;s happy, right? ;P</p>
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		<title>By: joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there were a box for &#039;dither&#039;. 

I&#039;m dithering.

I liked &#039;some&#039; triangle stories when I was younger but now I just don&#039;t have the fortitude for a  bittersweet romance. They generally also call for too much head-hopping and I want the focus of the story to be on the two main protagonist with a definite and well defined HEA. And a pony.

I voted No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there were a box for &#8216;dither&#8217;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m dithering.</p>
<p>I liked &#8217;some&#8217; triangle stories when I was younger but now I just don&#8217;t have the fortitude for a  bittersweet romance. They generally also call for too much head-hopping and I want the focus of the story to be on the two main protagonist with a definite and well defined HEA. And a pony.</p>
<p>I voted No.</p>
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		<title>By: GrowlyCub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrowlyCub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janine, yes, I liked TDW too, but I was incredibly disappointed in the sequel, because I thought the guy deserved a better heroine and a *much* better story.   Reading that book kind of put me off Layton, which is a shame because &#039;The Duke&#039;s Wager&#039; was very enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janine, yes, I liked TDW too, but I was incredibly disappointed in the sequel, because I thought the guy deserved a better heroine and a *much* better story.   Reading that book kind of put me off Layton, which is a shame because &#8216;The Duke&#8217;s Wager&#8217; was very enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Janine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GrowlyCub, your mention of Signet regencies reminded me of another triangle book I really loved -- Edith Layton&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Duke&#039;s Wager&lt;/em&gt;.  Great book in which the heroine is presented a choice between bad and worse.  Only you don&#039;t know which one of the men is bad, and which one is worse.  Gosh, I loved that book.  Not every author could pull it off, but Layton did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GrowlyCub, your mention of Signet regencies reminded me of another triangle book I really loved &#8212; Edith Layton&#8217;s <em>The Duke&#8217;s Wager</em>.  Great book in which the heroine is presented a choice between bad and worse.  Only you don&#8217;t know which one of the men is bad, and which one is worse.  Gosh, I loved that book.  Not every author could pull it off, but Layton did.</p>
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		<title>By: GrowlyCub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrowlyCub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted &#039;depends&#039;.  They work well for me in erotic romance where the three can live as a triple, not so well in regular romance where one gets the boot (although I actually know one triple in real life).

&lt;em&gt;Sugar Daddy&lt;/em&gt; really threw me for a loop, because I expected Hardy to be the hero and felt jerked around when not only he wasn&#039;t but then he was suddenly a &#039;bad&#039; guy.  That seemed totally out of character and a very &#039;convenient&#039; plot device to explain why the heroine went with Gage whom I never warmed up to.  

That book actually made me realize that I expect the people who are intro&#039;d in the first couple of chapters to be the hero and heroine of the story.  While this may not have been as much of a convention in earlier decades (I&#039;ve been reading old Signets were the love triangles were really open until almost the end of the books), I firmly expect it now and was really annoyed at Kleypas for doing this to Hardy.  I even knew he wasn&#039;t the hero because I&#039;d listened to the first 37 (good awfully narrated) minutes of &lt;em&gt;Blue-eyed Devil&lt;/em&gt; and still the whole book (SD) felt wrong.

I&#039;m sure there are folks who feel this was innovative genre bending... needless to say it didn&#039;t work for me.

The ones in &#039;regular&#039; romance where one party turns villain really don&#039;t do jack for me and I&#039;m feeling totally bad for the nice one left in the rain which is not what I read romance for.  I want to be happy at the end! 

As much as I dig menage, for regular romance, triangles aren&#039;t my cup of tea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted &#8216;depends&#8217;.  They work well for me in erotic romance where the three can live as a triple, not so well in regular romance where one gets the boot (although I actually know one triple in real life).</p>
<p><em>Sugar Daddy</em> really threw me for a loop, because I expected Hardy to be the hero and felt jerked around when not only he wasn&#8217;t but then he was suddenly a &#8216;bad&#8217; guy.  That seemed totally out of character and a very &#8216;convenient&#8217; plot device to explain why the heroine went with Gage whom I never warmed up to.  </p>
<p>That book actually made me realize that I expect the people who are intro&#8217;d in the first couple of chapters to be the hero and heroine of the story.  While this may not have been as much of a convention in earlier decades (I&#8217;ve been reading old Signets were the love triangles were really open until almost the end of the books), I firmly expect it now and was really annoyed at Kleypas for doing this to Hardy.  I even knew he wasn&#8217;t the hero because I&#8217;d listened to the first 37 (good awfully narrated) minutes of <em>Blue-eyed Devil</em> and still the whole book (SD) felt wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are folks who feel this was innovative genre bending&#8230; needless to say it didn&#8217;t work for me.</p>
<p>The ones in &#8216;regular&#8217; romance where one party turns villain really don&#8217;t do jack for me and I&#8217;m feeling totally bad for the nice one left in the rain which is not what I read romance for.  I want to be happy at the end! </p>
<p>As much as I dig menage, for regular romance, triangles aren&#8217;t my cup of tea.</p>
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		<title>By: BevBB</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-201562&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moth&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, you haven’t mentioned the very worst of love triangles: when two really great people are fighting over someone sucky. Like Highland Velvet by Jude Deveraux where Bronwyn is a royal biotch and yet Stephen and Roger and a buttload of other people are all fighting over her and I’m like “WHY???”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, yeah. That one is the absolute worst thing possible. 

Of course, stacked right up against it are the number of really, really bad triangles that feature not two guys and a gal but two gals and a guy. Why is it that competent romance writers can manage to halfway pull off two guys competing for one woman but totally blow it with two women doing the reverse and end up turning both of them into either shews or nitwits? It boggles the mind. (what is the emoticon for rolling eyes?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-201562" rel="nofollow">Moth</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Of course, you haven’t mentioned the very worst of love triangles: when two really great people are fighting over someone sucky. Like Highland Velvet by Jude Deveraux where Bronwyn is a royal biotch and yet Stephen and Roger and a buttload of other people are all fighting over her and I’m like “WHY???”</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, yeah. That one is the absolute worst thing possible. </p>
<p>Of course, stacked right up against it are the number of really, really bad triangles that feature not two guys and a gal but two gals and a guy. Why is it that competent romance writers can manage to halfway pull off two guys competing for one woman but totally blow it with two women doing the reverse and end up turning both of them into either shews or nitwits? It boggles the mind. (what is the emoticon for rolling eyes?)</p>
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		<title>By: BevBB</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted &quot;depends&quot; because it truly does depend upon the story. There are simply too many variable to predict until one is actually reading the story. 

This question reminded me of a thread on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://aarboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=41869#41869&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AAR forums &lt;/a&gt;from last fall but the question there had more to do with whether we preferred the extra wheel to be a &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; alternative. What I realized while thinking things over was how much starting to read erotic romances featuring menages had clarified or downright changed my thinking about triangles. After rereading my response back then, I don&#039;t believe anything has changed that viewpoint. Here&#039;s what I said then: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Love triangles are tricky things for both readers and writers. I want to say I run from them like the plague but I suspect a more honest response would be to admit I have love/hate feelings for them. I don&#039;t consciously look for books with that theme but then unexpectedly find it in some of my favorites. And, no, I couldn&#039;t tell which ones off the top of my head at the moment but I&#039;ll keep an eye out.  :wink: 

It&#039;s simply such a powerful plot device for relationships which can be used well but also conversely one that can so easily drive them off track in the wrong way or, well, drive readers insane. ;p

You know I never really thought about it until I started reading erotic romances that featured three people in relationships that actually work for me but I think the biggest problem with most love triangles in romances that don&#039;t work for me is the imbalance between the choices. In order for any triangle to be strong all points and sides have to be of the same strength. Otherwise, it&#039;s going to break. Fall apart. Just look idiotic, you know. They both don&#039;t have to be exactly the same but they do have to be comparatively strong to hold their own. 

And, let&#039;s face it, what&#039;s found in a lot of romance love triangles are weak third angles designed to lose to the competition. They&#039;re either uninteresting, irritating, or downright melodramatic to read about. Whatever, the result is that the reader is ready to either forget about them or kill them off ourselves by the end of the story. 

To me that&#039;s not a true love triangle. That&#039;s an annoyance. 

In a true love triangle, there should be the honest capability of choice between either of the available options. There should be enough suspense that the reader doesn&#039;t honestly know which one is going to be chosen until they&#039;re, well, chosen. And it is possible for that to happen in a modern romance because while it doesn&#039;t have to happen at the very end, it also doesn&#039;t have to happen at the very beginning either. There&#039;s some middle ground to work with, have a strong choice and still give us the security we need. It would sure be better than a weak third wheel. 

One other thing that always bugs me about love triangles in romances is that many times when an author does get them right it can really backfire in the opposite direction because of that very balance of choice. I mean if the other choice is just as good as the one actually chosen . . . well, there&#039;s a reason so many extras in love triangles die an honorable, sacrificial death instead of getting their own story. 

Which can be great but also leave the reader wondering if the best man or woman really did win. Sigh. That one I do have a title for - [b]Heart&#039;s Surrender[/b] by [i]Kathleen Morgan[/i] , early futuristic romance with so-so science fiction but a heartbreakingly bittersweet love triangle. Double sigh. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted &#8220;depends&#8221; because it truly does depend upon the story. There are simply too many variable to predict until one is actually reading the story. </p>
<p>This question reminded me of a thread on the <a href="http://aarboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=41869#41869" rel="nofollow">AAR forums </a>from last fall but the question there had more to do with whether we preferred the extra wheel to be a &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221; alternative. What I realized while thinking things over was how much starting to read erotic romances featuring menages had clarified or downright changed my thinking about triangles. After rereading my response back then, I don&#8217;t believe anything has changed that viewpoint. Here&#8217;s what I said then: </p>
<blockquote><p>Love triangles are tricky things for both readers and writers. I want to say I run from them like the plague but I suspect a more honest response would be to admit I have love/hate feelings for them. I don&#8217;t consciously look for books with that theme but then unexpectedly find it in some of my favorites. And, no, I couldn&#8217;t tell which ones off the top of my head at the moment but I&#8217;ll keep an eye out.  :wink: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply such a powerful plot device for relationships which can be used well but also conversely one that can so easily drive them off track in the wrong way or, well, drive readers insane. ;p</p>
<p>You know I never really thought about it until I started reading erotic romances that featured three people in relationships that actually work for me but I think the biggest problem with most love triangles in romances that don&#8217;t work for me is the imbalance between the choices. In order for any triangle to be strong all points and sides have to be of the same strength. Otherwise, it&#8217;s going to break. Fall apart. Just look idiotic, you know. They both don&#8217;t have to be exactly the same but they do have to be comparatively strong to hold their own. </p>
<p>And, let&#8217;s face it, what&#8217;s found in a lot of romance love triangles are weak third angles designed to lose to the competition. They&#8217;re either uninteresting, irritating, or downright melodramatic to read about. Whatever, the result is that the reader is ready to either forget about them or kill them off ourselves by the end of the story. </p>
<p>To me that&#8217;s not a true love triangle. That&#8217;s an annoyance. </p>
<p>In a true love triangle, there should be the honest capability of choice between either of the available options. There should be enough suspense that the reader doesn&#8217;t honestly know which one is going to be chosen until they&#8217;re, well, chosen. And it is possible for that to happen in a modern romance because while it doesn&#8217;t have to happen at the very end, it also doesn&#8217;t have to happen at the very beginning either. There&#8217;s some middle ground to work with, have a strong choice and still give us the security we need. It would sure be better than a weak third wheel. </p>
<p>One other thing that always bugs me about love triangles in romances is that many times when an author does get them right it can really backfire in the opposite direction because of that very balance of choice. I mean if the other choice is just as good as the one actually chosen . . . well, there&#8217;s a reason so many extras in love triangles die an honorable, sacrificial death instead of getting their own story. </p>
<p>Which can be great but also leave the reader wondering if the best man or woman really did win. Sigh. That one I do have a title for &#8211; [b]Heart&#8217;s Surrender[/b] by [i]Kathleen Morgan[/i] , early futuristic romance with so-so science fiction but a heartbreakingly bittersweet love triangle. Double sigh. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Moth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &lt;strong&gt;Sugar Daddy&lt;/strong&gt;
My problem with Sugar Daddy was Kleypas did such a good job fleshing him out in the beginning and showing what kind of person that he was, and then he didn&#039;t come in again until SO late she didn&#039;t really leave herself enough time to make me believe he would do what he did. It felt like she compromised his character to hustle the happily ever after. 

I don&#039;t think I would have had a problem if Hardy had come back and they had both realized their moment together had passed. But I suppose that wouldn&#039;t have left the proper amount of angst for Hardy in the next book. 

Re: Love triangles in general. 
I guess this is one of my guilty pleasure tropes. I acknowledge that there&#039;s really no good turn-out (ie the demonizing of someone who was perfectly nice before OR the nice person getting screwed out of a HEA). But I still like them. 

Of course, you haven&#039;t mentioned the very worst of love triangles: when two really great people are fighting over someone sucky. Like Highland Velvet by Jude Deveraux where Bronwyn is a royal biotch and yet Stephen and Roger and a buttload of other people are all fighting over her and I&#039;m like &quot;WHY???&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: <strong>Sugar Daddy</strong><br />
My problem with Sugar Daddy was Kleypas did such a good job fleshing him out in the beginning and showing what kind of person that he was, and then he didn&#8217;t come in again until SO late she didn&#8217;t really leave herself enough time to make me believe he would do what he did. It felt like she compromised his character to hustle the happily ever after. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I would have had a problem if Hardy had come back and they had both realized their moment together had passed. But I suppose that wouldn&#8217;t have left the proper amount of angst for Hardy in the next book. </p>
<p>Re: Love triangles in general.<br />
I guess this is one of my guilty pleasure tropes. I acknowledge that there&#8217;s really no good turn-out (ie the demonizing of someone who was perfectly nice before OR the nice person getting screwed out of a HEA). But I still like them. </p>
<p>Of course, you haven&#8217;t mentioned the very worst of love triangles: when two really great people are fighting over someone sucky. Like Highland Velvet by Jude Deveraux where Bronwyn is a royal biotch and yet Stephen and Roger and a buttload of other people are all fighting over her and I&#8217;m like &#8220;WHY???&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite books features love triangle, or rectangle, really: Vows by Lavyrle Spencer.  As much as I love the book, I hate that entire conflict was driven by the Love Triangle.  The guy who lost was a Very Nice Guy, and he was heart-broken.  The main couple mourned his loss as a friend.  I would love to read a book with him as hero, but I don&#039;t think Spencer really ever did that sort of thing.  Just the occasional easter egg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite books features love triangle, or rectangle, really: Vows by Lavyrle Spencer.  As much as I love the book, I hate that entire conflict was driven by the Love Triangle.  The guy who lost was a Very Nice Guy, and he was heart-broken.  The main couple mourned his loss as a friend.  I would love to read a book with him as hero, but I don&#8217;t think Spencer really ever did that sort of thing.  Just the occasional easter egg.</p>
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