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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd stet "small boy" -- which for me is an age thing and not a size thing.  Depending on who's talking, "boy" could refer to a male person from infanthood to age 26 or more.

I'd stick to the small boy's POV, but other people have said that already.  One could get away with flipping between the boy and the man, even (I give a lot of leeway, and frankly if I were properly editing this I'd read it more times than I have today), but the Hannah POV is stretching things.

(I also have to point out that at first I completely misunderstood the purpose of this thread and thought we were playing "guess the [published] novel from its first page!"  Yikes.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d stet &#8220;small boy&#8221; &#8212; which for me is an age thing and not a size thing.  Depending on who&#8217;s talking, &#8220;boy&#8221; could refer to a male person from infanthood to age 26 or more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d stick to the small boy&#8217;s POV, but other people have said that already.  One could get away with flipping between the boy and the man, even (I give a lot of leeway, and frankly if I were properly editing this I&#8217;d read it more times than I have today), but the Hannah POV is stretching things.</p>
<p>(I also have to point out that at first I completely misunderstood the purpose of this thread and thought we were playing &#8220;guess the [published] novel from its first page!&#8221;  Yikes.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to be the only one who was deeply disturbed by the line: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;“The bitch,” José muttered, slashing the dog whip across the rounded buttocks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and specifically the detail of "rounded buttocks" it made me feel too complicit in the sexualized abuse and I had to stop reading. Now if that atmosphere is one you want to create, then you're doing a good job. But if you're writing a story about someone who is recovering from abuse and moving on with his life you might want to tone down the ick factor.

Changing POV: maybe some readers and editors tolerate POV shifts but that doesn't mean you should aspire to anything less than excellent writing. If you're not going to limit yourself to the inside of one character's head you should work on omniscent POV and doing that well. Here's a discussion on &lt;a href="http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/point-of-view-third-omniscient" rel="nofollow"&gt;Deep Genre&lt;/a&gt; but I couldn't find a good explanation on the web.

Starting with a prologue: I don't generally read prologues. My reasoning? Why get all involved with this character that's going to be taken away from me within a matter of pages? And then I have to get to know a new character (or incarnation of him or her, ie the 20 years later trick) anyway. And this is not a comment about you, but I generally find that prologues are a way for the author to be lazy and/or insert some favorite part of their worldbuilding into the final product. For the first, most backstory can be and should be worked in throughout the book and is more effective for it. And the second, it's just padding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to be the only one who was deeply disturbed by the line: </p>
<blockquote><p>“The bitch,” José muttered, slashing the dog whip across the rounded buttocks.</p></blockquote>
<p>and specifically the detail of &#8220;rounded buttocks&#8221; it made me feel too complicit in the sexualized abuse and I had to stop reading. Now if that atmosphere is one you want to create, then you&#8217;re doing a good job. But if you&#8217;re writing a story about someone who is recovering from abuse and moving on with his life you might want to tone down the ick factor.</p>
<p>Changing POV: maybe some readers and editors tolerate POV shifts but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should aspire to anything less than excellent writing. If you&#8217;re not going to limit yourself to the inside of one character&#8217;s head you should work on omniscent POV and doing that well. Here&#8217;s a discussion on <a href="http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/point-of-view-third-omniscient" rel="nofollow">Deep Genre</a> but I couldn&#8217;t find a good explanation on the web.</p>
<p>Starting with a prologue: I don&#8217;t generally read prologues. My reasoning? Why get all involved with this character that&#8217;s going to be taken away from me within a matter of pages? And then I have to get to know a new character (or incarnation of him or her, ie the 20 years later trick) anyway. And this is not a comment about you, but I generally find that prologues are a way for the author to be lazy and/or insert some favorite part of their worldbuilding into the final product. For the first, most backstory can be and should be worked in throughout the book and is more effective for it. And the second, it&#8217;s just padding.</p>
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		<title>By: orannia</title>
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		<dc:creator>orannia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to echo what Kristie said: WOW! Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to echo what Kristie said: WOW! Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Shiloh Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiloh Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And I am puzzled as to the rule to start with the action - why?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't really think it's a 'rule', but more of a guideline.  

The one I go by is similar-start where the trouble starts, and it's possible that what other meant when they say start where the action starts.  Some reasoning behind that-if you start where the trouble starts, you're less likely to bog the story down with heavy backstory.  

I don't think that's an issue here, from what we've seen, but there's a possible answer to your question.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I am puzzled as to the rule to start with the action - why?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s a &#8216;rule&#8217;, but more of a guideline.  </p>
<p>The one I go by is similar-start where the trouble starts, and it&#8217;s possible that what other meant when they say start where the action starts.  Some reasoning behind that-if you start where the trouble starts, you&#8217;re less likely to bog the story down with heavy backstory.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s an issue here, from what we&#8217;ve seen, but there&#8217;s a possible answer to your question.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderfully powerful start to a story. I do know what a tester bed is and got that whole "rich family, antique bed" thing from reading on. I would definitely keep it as it adds to the atmosphere. 

I actually think this is one of the best first pages I've read on this site to date. Well done. I most definitely wanted to keep reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderfully powerful start to a story. I do know what a tester bed is and got that whole &#8220;rich family, antique bed&#8221; thing from reading on. I would definitely keep it as it adds to the atmosphere. </p>
<p>I actually think this is one of the best first pages I&#8217;ve read on this site to date. Well done. I most definitely wanted to keep reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Persephone Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persephone Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the plot. I like creepy plots, even when they make me cringe! That's just me, though.

I'm of the mind that flashbacks work better &lt;i&gt;in media res&lt;i&gt;, so if I look at this as an excerpt and not a first page it works slightly better for me. Everyone and a half has been over the POV head-hopping, the awkwardness of the first sentence, etc. Those bothered me, but there were a couple of other suggestions that I'm not sure others have made yet, so:

1. We, the readers, always are one step removed from the action. Like &lt;i&gt;began to breathe heavily,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;began to cry,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;began to hum,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;his arm was grabbed and he was pulled,&lt;/i&gt; etc. 

Half of the problem is passive voice. It drones on and sounds boring when I know that the underlying action is, in fact, not at all boring. I would recommend that you cut out as much of it as you can. &lt;i&gt;His father grabbed his arm and pulled him across the room.&lt;/i&gt;

The other half of it is your overuse of auxiliary verbs (to be + gerund, to begin to + verb, to seem to + verb). You used "began" SIX times on the first page, and only one of those times was it a stand-alone verb that worked well (&lt;i&gt;When the screaming began&lt;/i&gt;), and even then, there are more effective ways to write that clause.

I think this lends to the problem of 'telling and not showing enough.'

2. There are too many names in one sequence that mostly features just two people. I would find a way to make the scene solely about the boy and the father.

3. &lt;i&gt;The small boy, hysterical with fear, wet the bed.&lt;/i&gt; Not only have you already said "the small boy," the adjective is unnecessary. In fact, so is "hysterical with fear." We as readers should know that without you having to say it. How about &lt;i&gt;The boy whimpered and wet the bed.&lt;/i&gt; (I know, two w words, but I'm using a quick example)? There are so many adjectives that I don't think you need in this scene.

You've kept the adverb count low, and for that, I salute you. Just don't forget that adjectives can be overused, as well. (&#60;--Passive voice is okay here because I'm not trying to be exciting.)

I think I would read on to see if the POV and verbiage improved, because it's a powerful scene. But it's so rare to see good prologues outside of a Tess Gerrittsen novel (the only author who comes to mind immediately when I think of good prologues) that I wonder if there's a way to open on a suspenseful note and work this into the story a bit later.

Of the five or six first pages I've read here, this one was the best IMHO. It still needs a lot of work, but there's always room for improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the plot. I like creepy plots, even when they make me cringe! That&#8217;s just me, though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the mind that flashbacks work better <i>in media res</i><i>, so if I look at this as an excerpt and not a first page it works slightly better for me. Everyone and a half has been over the POV head-hopping, the awkwardness of the first sentence, etc. Those bothered me, but there were a couple of other suggestions that I&#8217;m not sure others have made yet, so:</p>
<p>1. We, the readers, always are one step removed from the action. Like </i><i>began to breathe heavily,</i> <i>began to cry,</i> <i>began to hum,</i> <i>his arm was grabbed and he was pulled,</i> etc. </p>
<p>Half of the problem is passive voice. It drones on and sounds boring when I know that the underlying action is, in fact, not at all boring. I would recommend that you cut out as much of it as you can. <i>His father grabbed his arm and pulled him across the room.</i></p>
<p>The other half of it is your overuse of auxiliary verbs (to be + gerund, to begin to + verb, to seem to + verb). You used &#8220;began&#8221; SIX times on the first page, and only one of those times was it a stand-alone verb that worked well (<i>When the screaming began</i>), and even then, there are more effective ways to write that clause.</p>
<p>I think this lends to the problem of &#8216;telling and not showing enough.&#8217;</p>
<p>2. There are too many names in one sequence that mostly features just two people. I would find a way to make the scene solely about the boy and the father.</p>
<p>3. <i>The small boy, hysterical with fear, wet the bed.</i> Not only have you already said &#8220;the small boy,&#8221; the adjective is unnecessary. In fact, so is &#8220;hysterical with fear.&#8221; We as readers should know that without you having to say it. How about <i>The boy whimpered and wet the bed.</i> (I know, two w words, but I&#8217;m using a quick example)? There are so many adjectives that I don&#8217;t think you need in this scene.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve kept the adverb count low, and for that, I salute you. Just don&#8217;t forget that adjectives can be overused, as well. (&lt;&#8211;Passive voice is okay here because I&#8217;m not trying to be exciting.)</p>
<p>I think I would read on to see if the POV and verbiage improved, because it&#8217;s a powerful scene. But it&#8217;s so rare to see good prologues outside of a Tess Gerrittsen novel (the only author who comes to mind immediately when I think of good prologues) that I wonder if there&#8217;s a way to open on a suspenseful note and work this into the story a bit later.</p>
<p>Of the five or six first pages I&#8217;ve read here, this one was the best IMHO. It still needs a lot of work, but there&#8217;s always room for improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: LizA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was a contemporary, or at least set in the 20th century, but that the hero's father was very rich and steeped in tradition. Maybe a hacienda - if there are haciendas in California? (Must admit I have no clue about that, sorry). 
I had no problem with the dream at the beginning, in itself. The switches threw me a little but it seemed to set the tone very nicely. And I am puzzled as to the rule to start with the action - why? It's not a passive scene at all. There is action, even if it is in the past - and I assume it is important for the novel... so for me, it worked fine. 
Sounds like an interesting story, hope you get it done &#38; published. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was a contemporary, or at least set in the 20th century, but that the hero&#8217;s father was very rich and steeped in tradition. Maybe a hacienda - if there are haciendas in California? (Must admit I have no clue about that, sorry).<br />
I had no problem with the dream at the beginning, in itself. The switches threw me a little but it seemed to set the tone very nicely. And I am puzzled as to the rule to start with the action - why? It&#8217;s not a passive scene at all. There is action, even if it is in the past - and I assume it is important for the novel&#8230; so for me, it worked fine.<br />
Sounds like an interesting story, hope you get it done &amp; published. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Bev Stephans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bev Stephans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I read tester bed, I got a sense of history. I think it should stay! I really liked this author's voice and the POV switching didn't bother me too much. This is one of the better queries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I read tester bed, I got a sense of history. I think it should stay! I really liked this author&#8217;s voice and the POV switching didn&#8217;t bother me too much. This is one of the better queries.</p>
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		<title>By: Seressia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seressia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Smooth out the POV switches
2. Make it a flashback instead of a dream so you can keep the POVs
3. Send it out.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Smooth out the POV switches<br />
2. Make it a flashback instead of a dream so you can keep the POVs<br />
3. Send it out.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: S.W. Vaughn</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.W. Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won't rehash the technical issues, as they've already been covered well. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed this beginning tremendously. I didn't even mind that it was a dream, and that usually bugs me. Since prologues are "frowned upon" anyway (and really, there are no rules that can't be broken when done well), I'd say it works as a prologue.

Great work. Some excellent prose and imagery here. I do agree the POV should be tightened, but outside of that, it's wonderful. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t rehash the technical issues, as they&#8217;ve already been covered well. Just wanted to say that I enjoyed this beginning tremendously. I didn&#8217;t even mind that it was a dream, and that usually bugs me. Since prologues are &#8220;frowned upon&#8221; anyway (and really, there are no rules that can&#8217;t be broken when done well), I&#8217;d say it works as a prologue.</p>
<p>Great work. Some excellent prose and imagery here. I do agree the POV should be tightened, but outside of that, it&#8217;s wonderful. Good luck!</p>
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