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		<title>By: MCHalliday</title>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...there were things in the novel that were not farcical, and the way the farcical elements met with the non-farcical ones created dissonance for me as a reader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is true that farce must be played out, or in other words, consistent. Otherwise, the reader (or viewer) is in a quandry. One of the main reasons pantomime works so well is the expected drag. 

If a tale is written with a serious tone, I am inclined to agree that unless the author makes the assumed gender believable with conducive surroundings and assurance in the heroine's disguise, it would be difficult to swallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;there were things in the novel that were not farcical, and the way the farcical elements met with the non-farcical ones created dissonance for me as a reader.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is true that farce must be played out, or in other words, consistent. Otherwise, the reader (or viewer) is in a quandry. One of the main reasons pantomime works so well is the expected drag. </p>
<p>If a tale is written with a serious tone, I am inclined to agree that unless the author makes the assumed gender believable with conducive surroundings and assurance in the heroine&#8217;s disguise, it would be difficult to swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Janine&lt;/strong&gt;:  If and when I ever give James another shot, I will try &lt;em&gt;Much Ado About You&lt;/em&gt;.  I have an older James around here that I picked up somewhere used, but I don't think that's it.  But since I know your taste (and with back up from Sonoma Lass), MAAY is definitely where I'd go next.  Thanks!

&lt;strong&gt;Catherine&lt;/strong&gt;:  Thank you for bringing up that last argument, because it's one of the things I didn't dwell on in the review but that also frustrated me.  I got the sense that James was trying to set up Jem's Game as the counterpart to Benjamin's chess, but you (and FanLit) bring up a very good point about how Harriet was unwilling to accept from Jem what she expected OF him. I was actually able to buy Harriet's insecurities because of her husband's suicide, but where that whole conflict got me was in the way she worried desperately about scandal surrounding her disguise, a concern that apparently disappeared once Jem hightailed it to her estate to grovel.  That made her worry feel contrived, and yet it had been so persistent throughout the book (and likely warranted, especially because she was a woman).  And honestly, I was pretty bored by then, and found the whole argument very anti-climactic and not emotionally compelling.

&lt;strong&gt;FanLit&lt;/strong&gt;:  I think your point about Harriet relishing her freedom as a man and then expecting Jem to hook himself to her duchy is compelling.  Again, it comes down to that issue of character consistency that has plagued my experience of both this book and the previous one in the series.  Also, it was strange (har har) that Harriet ended up in the position of the righteous one, with no apparent reason to apologize.  Her deception *was* unfair, IMO, and, as Catherine said, she ends up betraying Jem despite the fact that betrayal was one of her big issues with her husband.  Of course, she had also thrown herself at Villiers when she didn't feel wanted during her marriage, so she definitely had a passive aggressive streak, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Janine</strong>:  If and when I ever give James another shot, I will try <em>Much Ado About You</em>.  I have an older James around here that I picked up somewhere used, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s it.  But since I know your taste (and with back up from Sonoma Lass), MAAY is definitely where I&#8217;d go next.  Thanks!</p>
<p><strong>Catherine</strong>:  Thank you for bringing up that last argument, because it&#8217;s one of the things I didn&#8217;t dwell on in the review but that also frustrated me.  I got the sense that James was trying to set up Jem&#8217;s Game as the counterpart to Benjamin&#8217;s chess, but you (and FanLit) bring up a very good point about how Harriet was unwilling to accept from Jem what she expected OF him. I was actually able to buy Harriet&#8217;s insecurities because of her husband&#8217;s suicide, but where that whole conflict got me was in the way she worried desperately about scandal surrounding her disguise, a concern that apparently disappeared once Jem hightailed it to her estate to grovel.  That made her worry feel contrived, and yet it had been so persistent throughout the book (and likely warranted, especially because she was a woman).  And honestly, I was pretty bored by then, and found the whole argument very anti-climactic and not emotionally compelling.</p>
<p><strong>FanLit</strong>:  I think your point about Harriet relishing her freedom as a man and then expecting Jem to hook himself to her duchy is compelling.  Again, it comes down to that issue of character consistency that has plagued my experience of both this book and the previous one in the series.  Also, it was strange (har har) that Harriet ended up in the position of the righteous one, with no apparent reason to apologize.  Her deception *was* unfair, IMO, and, as Catherine said, she ends up betraying Jem despite the fact that betrayal was one of her big issues with her husband.  Of course, she had also thrown herself at Villiers when she didn&#8217;t feel wanted during her marriage, so she definitely had a passive aggressive streak, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: FanLit</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Catherine. Harriet spent weeks at Jem's house party and never complained about the atmosphere. She did mention that it was inappropriate for Eugenia, but she never gave any indication that she was personally uncomfortable. Then suddenly Harriet confesses she's a duchess and expects Jem to give up his lifestyle and follow her. Perhaps if she hadn't spent 6 weeks masquerading as a boy and giving every indication she loved the freedom, Jem wouldn't have assumed she would stay.
Overall, I much preferred Lord Strange to Harriet. At least he wasn't pretending for 3/4 of the book. I also thought Harriet disguised as a boy went on way too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Catherine. Harriet spent weeks at Jem&#8217;s house party and never complained about the atmosphere. She did mention that it was inappropriate for Eugenia, but she never gave any indication that she was personally uncomfortable. Then suddenly Harriet confesses she&#8217;s a duchess and expects Jem to give up his lifestyle and follow her. Perhaps if she hadn&#8217;t spent 6 weeks masquerading as a boy and giving every indication she loved the freedom, Jem wouldn&#8217;t have assumed she would stay.<br />
Overall, I much preferred Lord Strange to Harriet. At least he wasn&#8217;t pretending for 3/4 of the book. I also thought Harriet disguised as a boy went on way too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, I find it a little funny that you were disappointed that the secondary characters were less prominent whereas I read it and said thank God they aren't having sections of their own anymore!  That definitely proves that what works for one doesn't always work for another.

I like having the characters all tied together in a series because it makes me anticipate their story even more, but that doesn't mean I want to focus on them until it's actually their book.  The last one in this series that I read (besides this one) was Desperate Duchesses.  So much time was devoted to Jemma that it drove me insane.  I resented the intrusion of the other characters in such prominence when it almost made the &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; leads seem like shallow caricatures.

I actually liked this book although I had to severely suspend my disbelief at the fact that no one saw through her disguise.  I would have found it more believable if she didn't seem so girly whenever a so called 'man' topic was brought up.  I kept expecting her to titter and every retarded male around her to excuse it because her/his mother coddled her/him.

I think the one thing that really irritated me about this book was the argument that led to the separation of Jem and Harriet.  Now I admit that the lifestyle Jem led wouldn't appeal to &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; in the long run but I still thought she was wrong for demanding he change for her.  Because she has some issues about her first husband if Jem doesn't follow along with her plans then he doesn't love her enough and is choosing something else over her?  What?  That drove me insane and I thought it was so asinine.  When she started having her little drama about how 'no one loves &lt;strong&gt;her&lt;/strong&gt; best' all I could think was... Aren't you doing the same thing to him?  Does that mean you don't love him best because you won't accept his life how it is?  Then of course her leaving leads to the realization that she's right and he does need to change.  Bleh.  Worst part of the book for me.  It dropped it from a B down to a C- for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, I find it a little funny that you were disappointed that the secondary characters were less prominent whereas I read it and said thank God they aren&#8217;t having sections of their own anymore!  That definitely proves that what works for one doesn&#8217;t always work for another.</p>
<p>I like having the characters all tied together in a series because it makes me anticipate their story even more, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to focus on them until it&#8217;s actually their book.  The last one in this series that I read (besides this one) was Desperate Duchesses.  So much time was devoted to Jemma that it drove me insane.  I resented the intrusion of the other characters in such prominence when it almost made the <em>actual</em> leads seem like shallow caricatures.</p>
<p>I actually liked this book although I had to severely suspend my disbelief at the fact that no one saw through her disguise.  I would have found it more believable if she didn&#8217;t seem so girly whenever a so called &#8216;man&#8217; topic was brought up.  I kept expecting her to titter and every retarded male around her to excuse it because her/his mother coddled her/him.</p>
<p>I think the one thing that really irritated me about this book was the argument that led to the separation of Jem and Harriet.  Now I admit that the lifestyle Jem led wouldn&#8217;t appeal to <em>me</em> in the long run but I still thought she was wrong for demanding he change for her.  Because she has some issues about her first husband if Jem doesn&#8217;t follow along with her plans then he doesn&#8217;t love her enough and is choosing something else over her?  What?  That drove me insane and I thought it was so asinine.  When she started having her little drama about how &#8216;no one loves <strong>her</strong> best&#8217; all I could think was&#8230; Aren&#8217;t you doing the same thing to him?  Does that mean you don&#8217;t love him best because you won&#8217;t accept his life how it is?  Then of course her leaving leads to the realization that she&#8217;s right and he does need to change.  Bleh.  Worst part of the book for me.  It dropped it from a B down to a C- for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Janine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Robin, you might try the Essex sisters books; I liked those best of what I’ve read so far in her backlist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was thinking of recommending &lt;em&gt;Much Ado About You&lt;/em&gt; (the first book in the Essex sisters series) to Robin.  I've only read that one, which I liked pretty well and would give at least a B, and then &lt;em&gt;Kiss Me Annabel&lt;/em&gt;, which didn't work nearly as well for me. But I'd be curious to hear your opinion of &lt;em&gt;Much Ado About You&lt;/em&gt;, Robin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Robin, you might try the Essex sisters books; I liked those best of what I’ve read so far in her backlist.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was thinking of recommending <em>Much Ado About You</em> (the first book in the Essex sisters series) to Robin.  I&#8217;ve only read that one, which I liked pretty well and would give at least a B, and then <em>Kiss Me Annabel</em>, which didn&#8217;t work nearly as well for me. But I&#8217;d be curious to hear your opinion of <em>Much Ado About You</em>, Robin.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sonoma Lass&lt;/strong&gt;:  I was so surprised that the secondary stories were soft-pedaled in this book, because that's one of the things I enjoyed most about the last one. Oh, well.  I know this is going to sound weird, but when I read these two books I kept feeling that they just weren't well thought-out -- that the characters, the motivations, the consequences of things given weight in the story weren't thought through.  That's only my feeling as a reader, of course, and not a statement implying intent on James's part.  But it does frustrate me, because I keep thinking that if x were a bit different, or if y were a bit more fleshed out, this could be a really good book, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sonoma Lass</strong>:  I was so surprised that the secondary stories were soft-pedaled in this book, because that&#8217;s one of the things I enjoyed most about the last one. Oh, well.  I know this is going to sound weird, but when I read these two books I kept feeling that they just weren&#8217;t well thought-out &#8212; that the characters, the motivations, the consequences of things given weight in the story weren&#8217;t thought through.  That&#8217;s only my feeling as a reader, of course, and not a statement implying intent on James&#8217;s part.  But it does frustrate me, because I keep thinking that if x were a bit different, or if y were a bit more fleshed out, this could be a really good book, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: SonomaLass</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my own issues with James. I get a lot of her humor, but too often I can't buy into the drama -- her heroes run perilously close to TSTL for me, and I got really tired in her "Pleasures" trilogy of men needing to have their wives practically die before they realized that they had been idiots. I usually find her a pleasant read, and I like the way her characters connect within each of the series I have read.

Robin, you might try the Essex sisters books; I liked those best of what I've read so far in her backlist.  I agree that she tends to juxtapose almost farcical humor with life-threatening (or at least reputation-threatening) drama, and I can see why that irks you.  I do like the way she writes secondary characters, some of whom eventually become central in later books, and her characters and relationships are consistent over the series, which is a problem for some authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my own issues with James. I get a lot of her humor, but too often I can&#8217;t buy into the drama &#8212; her heroes run perilously close to TSTL for me, and I got really tired in her &#8220;Pleasures&#8221; trilogy of men needing to have their wives practically die before they realized that they had been idiots. I usually find her a pleasant read, and I like the way her characters connect within each of the series I have read.</p>
<p>Robin, you might try the Essex sisters books; I liked those best of what I&#8217;ve read so far in her backlist.  I agree that she tends to juxtapose almost farcical humor with life-threatening (or at least reputation-threatening) drama, and I can see why that irks you.  I do like the way she writes secondary characters, some of whom eventually become central in later books, and her characters and relationships are consistent over the series, which is a problem for some authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jill S&lt;/strong&gt;:  it may seem like longer to you, because there are a number of pages that account for those days.  
&lt;strong&gt;
Sonoma Lass&lt;/strong&gt;:  I am aware of some of those RL disguise stories, but the problem here was two-fold:  first, Harriet was super feminine in appearance, even as a man, so she was already an object of a certain amount of speculation (as a "molly," for example) about her sexuality.  Second, there were people who picked up on the illusion (the stable boy, Jem's daughter), and people who IMO should have been able to (actresses, courtesans, women in general).  I would most definitely think that actors and actresses would have been more keen (especially because of the class difference), and it bugged me, especially since Harry worried that she would be found out, and once Jem did find her out, he would grope her under the dinner table.  It just irked me, and I was not able to read the book as pure farce because too much was made of the consequences to Harriet's reputation should she be discovered.  There were, in fact, a number of pretty serious elements in the novel that grated against the farce, highlighting more brightly those things that didn't work for me.  

&lt;strong&gt;MC&lt;/strong&gt;:  I agree with you about the way in which these devices seem well suited to dramatic performance (see my comment above for a more general response to the farce aspect of the book).  There were obviously elements of farce, but as I said in my review, there were things in the novel that were not farcical, and the way the farcical elements met with the non-farcical ones created dissonance for me as a reader.  For me, reading James is like listening to a song that's just a bit off key.  Everything is a near-miss.  For example, there is a line at the end of the book about Jem being on his knees 'because that's where a man should be,' and I knew I was supposed to laugh, but instead I felt pandered to (even as I admired the more woman-centric world James is trying to imagine).  Plus, when I start looking closely at her books, things break down, and I'm not the kind of reader who can ignore those things unless I'm really entertained.  And obviously, I've not been really entertained in the two books of hers I have read.  I still might try an older book, but I suspect that those things that interest James about the genre are not the same things that interest me.

&lt;strong&gt;Jill M&lt;/strong&gt;:  the reviewer at AAR liked the novel quite a bit, as well, so I'm clearly not in the majority here.  There was enough to interest me about An Affair Before Christmas that I wanted to like this one (especially because I like some of the secondary characters, especially Jemma and Villiers, whose stories I am sure will be last, lol).  

&lt;strong&gt;raveonette&lt;/strong&gt;:  People talk all the time about how funny James is, but I am clearly not the best subject for her wit.  And that's the thing about hunmor -- it works or it doesn't, despite our intellectual understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jill S</strong>:  it may seem like longer to you, because there are a number of pages that account for those days.<br />
<strong><br />
Sonoma Lass</strong>:  I am aware of some of those RL disguise stories, but the problem here was two-fold:  first, Harriet was super feminine in appearance, even as a man, so she was already an object of a certain amount of speculation (as a &#8220;molly,&#8221; for example) about her sexuality.  Second, there were people who picked up on the illusion (the stable boy, Jem&#8217;s daughter), and people who IMO should have been able to (actresses, courtesans, women in general).  I would most definitely think that actors and actresses would have been more keen (especially because of the class difference), and it bugged me, especially since Harry worried that she would be found out, and once Jem did find her out, he would grope her under the dinner table.  It just irked me, and I was not able to read the book as pure farce because too much was made of the consequences to Harriet&#8217;s reputation should she be discovered.  There were, in fact, a number of pretty serious elements in the novel that grated against the farce, highlighting more brightly those things that didn&#8217;t work for me.  </p>
<p><strong>MC</strong>:  I agree with you about the way in which these devices seem well suited to dramatic performance (see my comment above for a more general response to the farce aspect of the book).  There were obviously elements of farce, but as I said in my review, there were things in the novel that were not farcical, and the way the farcical elements met with the non-farcical ones created dissonance for me as a reader.  For me, reading James is like listening to a song that&#8217;s just a bit off key.  Everything is a near-miss.  For example, there is a line at the end of the book about Jem being on his knees &#8216;because that&#8217;s where a man should be,&#8217; and I knew I was supposed to laugh, but instead I felt pandered to (even as I admired the more woman-centric world James is trying to imagine).  Plus, when I start looking closely at her books, things break down, and I&#8217;m not the kind of reader who can ignore those things unless I&#8217;m really entertained.  And obviously, I&#8217;ve not been really entertained in the two books of hers I have read.  I still might try an older book, but I suspect that those things that interest James about the genre are not the same things that interest me.</p>
<p><strong>Jill M</strong>:  the reviewer at AAR liked the novel quite a bit, as well, so I&#8217;m clearly not in the majority here.  There was enough to interest me about An Affair Before Christmas that I wanted to like this one (especially because I like some of the secondary characters, especially Jemma and Villiers, whose stories I am sure will be last, lol).  </p>
<p><strong>raveonette</strong>:  People talk all the time about how funny James is, but I am clearly not the best subject for her wit.  And that&#8217;s the thing about hunmor &#8212; it works or it doesn&#8217;t, despite our intellectual understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: raveonette</title>
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		<dc:creator>raveonette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just started thisbook- it's my first James and actually my first "cross dressign heroine" book, though I've always wanted to read them and Twelth Night IS my favorite Shakespeare. :) I can't really give a full opinion since I haven't read the whole thing, but I do enjoy the tone and think it is in a farcical vein- with the duke suffering from chess withdrawal to even the hero being named "Lord Strange", I'm just having a lot of fun with it. Strange's young daughter is also a big bright spot in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started thisbook- it&#8217;s my first James and actually my first &#8220;cross dressign heroine&#8221; book, though I&#8217;ve always wanted to read them and Twelth Night IS my favorite Shakespeare. :) I can&#8217;t really give a full opinion since I haven&#8217;t read the whole thing, but I do enjoy the tone and think it is in a farcical vein- with the duke suffering from chess withdrawal to even the hero being named &#8220;Lord Strange&#8221;, I&#8217;m just having a lot of fun with it. Strange&#8217;s young daughter is also a big bright spot in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Myles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this book. I'm not a fan of the cross-dressing plot, but it worked very well for me in the context of the story. The only thing that bugged me was that the hero was named Jem, and we already have a Jemma in the series.

Other than that, thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait for the next one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this book. I&#8217;m not a fan of the cross-dressing plot, but it worked very well for me in the context of the story. The only thing that bugged me was that the hero was named Jem, and we already have a Jemma in the series.</p>
<p>Other than that, thoroughly enjoyed it and can&#8217;t wait for the next one. :)</p>
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