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	<title>Comments on: First Impressions 4: Honey and Clover, and Swan</title>
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		<title>By: Harry~DayDream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry~DayDream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that part of what you dislike is based upon cultural differences, if you’re talking about the way they’re drawn. A lot of the overexaggeration is part of the Japanese cultural heritage. I liken it to the masks of Noh theatre. You either learn their tropes and read things like that from their perspective or you don’t.

But as for characters acting realistically, you simply need to read the right manga.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are definitely right. I personally do enjoy manga and the artwork, but as I said there are cultural differences that don&#039;t quite allow me the full experience. Of course I have read extremely few manga, because the market in my country is not exactly open for such products (we don&#039;t even have comicbooks) so I haven&#039;t found the right one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think that part of what you dislike is based upon cultural differences, if you’re talking about the way they’re drawn. A lot of the overexaggeration is part of the Japanese cultural heritage. I liken it to the masks of Noh theatre. You either learn their tropes and read things like that from their perspective or you don’t.</p>
<p>But as for characters acting realistically, you simply need to read the right manga.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are definitely right. I personally do enjoy manga and the artwork, but as I said there are cultural differences that don&#8217;t quite allow me the full experience. Of course I have read extremely few manga, because the market in my country is not exactly open for such products (we don&#8217;t even have comicbooks) so I haven&#8217;t found the right one.</p>
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		<title>By: Liviania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liviania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck, I know I should be watching it already.  Many people have told me.  ^_^

Ooh, I second the rec for Basara.  I utterly, utterly adore that series.  The random things you find on library shelves . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beck, I know I should be watching it already.  Many people have told me.  ^_^</p>
<p>Ooh, I second the rec for Basara.  I utterly, utterly adore that series.  The random things you find on library shelves . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Estara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another review on Swan WITH PICTURES for those who want to check the melodrama and the ballet, as well:

http://shaenon.livejournal.com/28663.html

... you have to scroll down a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another review on Swan WITH PICTURES for those who want to check the melodrama and the ballet, as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://shaenon.livejournal.com/28663.html" rel="nofollow">http://shaenon.livejournal.com/28663.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230; you have to scroll down a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: ジェーン(Jān)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ジェーン(Jān)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liviania, I liked the Kaiken Phrase anime about up to episode 20, which coincidentally is when the heroine appears LOL.  For a better band series, go with Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liviania, I liked the Kaiken Phrase anime about up to episode 20, which coincidentally is when the heroine appears LOL.  For a better band series, go with Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: ジェーン(Jān)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ジェーン(Jān)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill A, I see Shinjo Mayu as much like Brenda Joyce and her ilk.  You can either laugh and go along for the ride, or you&#039;re probably going to hate it for what it represents.  I can see both sides, but fall on the former.

There aren&#039;t many longer shoujo series I like either.  But I would recommend Basara. :)  And Fruits Basket, which ended up being 23 volumes with none of the standard shoujo romance filler to be seen.  I think what makes those two different is that they contain large numbers of three dimensional supporting characters that help keep the story moving with a real plot so there&#039;s never a need for that awful filler.

I think One Piece is fun for its exuberance.  But while I can accept, for instance, a five chapter fight in Naruto, in One Piece it drags on for ten chapters and isn&#039;t interesting because there never seems to be the character development involved in OP that there is in a Naruto fight.  

Slam Dunk, I&#039;m just going to keep trying.  The all-time number one manga in Japan is worth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill A, I see Shinjo Mayu as much like Brenda Joyce and her ilk.  You can either laugh and go along for the ride, or you&#8217;re probably going to hate it for what it represents.  I can see both sides, but fall on the former.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t many longer shoujo series I like either.  But I would recommend Basara. :)  And Fruits Basket, which ended up being 23 volumes with none of the standard shoujo romance filler to be seen.  I think what makes those two different is that they contain large numbers of three dimensional supporting characters that help keep the story moving with a real plot so there&#8217;s never a need for that awful filler.</p>
<p>I think One Piece is fun for its exuberance.  But while I can accept, for instance, a five chapter fight in Naruto, in One Piece it drags on for ten chapters and isn&#8217;t interesting because there never seems to be the character development involved in OP that there is in a Naruto fight.  </p>
<p>Slam Dunk, I&#8217;m just going to keep trying.  The all-time number one manga in Japan is worth the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: ジェーン(Jān)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ジェーン(Jān)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, my response to Henry seems to have been lost.

Thank you for the information on the Honey and Clover anime.  You make it sound really enticing.  Though I tend to prefer manga, there are a number of series for which I prefer the anime (see my Haruka and Princess Tutu reviews).  Sometimes the story works better with action and voice talent, and sometimes the creators put so much love into it that it&#039;s just a fantastic thing to watch.  It sounds like H&amp;C is the latter.  I&#039;ll pick i up when it&#039;s released here. ^__^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, my response to Henry seems to have been lost.</p>
<p>Thank you for the information on the Honey and Clover anime.  You make it sound really enticing.  Though I tend to prefer manga, there are a number of series for which I prefer the anime (see my Haruka and Princess Tutu reviews).  Sometimes the story works better with action and voice talent, and sometimes the creators put so much love into it that it&#8217;s just a fantastic thing to watch.  It sounds like H&#038;C is the latter.  I&#8217;ll pick i up when it&#8217;s released here. ^__^</p>
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		<title>By: Jill A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised Swan is so melodramatic, but I wonder if a different translation could make it seem less...unnatural.

I also don&#039;t like a lot of high-profile manga, but different ones :D I quietly despise Shinjou Mayu, and love Slam Dunk ^_^ One Piece...never read, but it doesn&#039;t look like anything special to me *ducks*.

Hana Yori Dango...I loved it until around...22 or so, but it was dragged on WAY too long.  I find a lot of long shoujo series do that - I stopped reading HanaKimi, Parfaittic and Tea Prince after about 12 volumes (well, Parfaittic after 4), when I could see that they were the never-ending back and forth type. I get annoyed with heros/heroines who continue to flip back and forth or be dense to the point of stupidity.  I&#039;m afraid that Special A might go that way too, I haven&#039;t read past Volume 8 because of that. 

Now I have an unofficial policy of not reading shoujo series that are over 15 volumes :) It&#039;s saved me lots of money and time. Shounen I find aren&#039;t so bad because it&#039;s fight scenes that are dragged out, which you can get through quickly.  But emotional angst...I just don&#039;t appreciate repeated hand-wringing and soul searching. Romance yes, angst no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised Swan is so melodramatic, but I wonder if a different translation could make it seem less&#8230;unnatural.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t like a lot of high-profile manga, but different ones :D I quietly despise Shinjou Mayu, and love Slam Dunk ^_^ One Piece&#8230;never read, but it doesn&#8217;t look like anything special to me *ducks*.</p>
<p>Hana Yori Dango&#8230;I loved it until around&#8230;22 or so, but it was dragged on WAY too long.  I find a lot of long shoujo series do that &#8211; I stopped reading HanaKimi, Parfaittic and Tea Prince after about 12 volumes (well, Parfaittic after 4), when I could see that they were the never-ending back and forth type. I get annoyed with heros/heroines who continue to flip back and forth or be dense to the point of stupidity.  I&#8217;m afraid that Special A might go that way too, I haven&#8217;t read past Volume 8 because of that. </p>
<p>Now I have an unofficial policy of not reading shoujo series that are over 15 volumes :) It&#8217;s saved me lots of money and time. Shounen I find aren&#8217;t so bad because it&#8217;s fight scenes that are dragged out, which you can get through quickly.  But emotional angst&#8230;I just don&#8217;t appreciate repeated hand-wringing and soul searching. Romance yes, angst no.</p>
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		<title>By: Liviania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liviania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, of the ones you mentioned the two I would defend are Hana Yori Dango and Gundam.

Of course, I haven&#039;t read the end of Hana Yori Dango yet because I&#039;ve been to busy and it&#039;s not on top of my list of titles to read, but I always enjoy it.  In a way, I&#039;m not that fond of the main relationship, but I still have fun because the sense of humor fits mine perfectly.  If there is no resolution, I&#039;m cool with that.  Their relationship is never truly getting together.  When two people are that tempestuous, I always have trouble believing HEA.

As for Gundam, Gundam Wing is a guilty pleasure of mine.  I&#039;m also pretty sure I&#039;m one of the few people alive that likes Endless Waltz.

I started Kaiken Phrase and loved it, then stopped for some reason . . . I should go read it again.  Sometimes I try to balance too many titles at once and one gets lost in the shuffle.   And now I also need to find the anime.

I hope as the audience US companies are currently targeting (11-14) grows older, more adult titles will be brought over.  Plus, many of those kids are hooking their parents on anime and manga.  (It&#039;s a sound financial decision.  This was my dad buys the titles and I watch them.  ^_^  I&#039;m still working on my mom.  And I completely unintentionally infected my dorm mates.  It&#039;s their fault for stealing Pretear from my DVD case.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, of the ones you mentioned the two I would defend are Hana Yori Dango and Gundam.</p>
<p>Of course, I haven&#8217;t read the end of Hana Yori Dango yet because I&#8217;ve been to busy and it&#8217;s not on top of my list of titles to read, but I always enjoy it.  In a way, I&#8217;m not that fond of the main relationship, but I still have fun because the sense of humor fits mine perfectly.  If there is no resolution, I&#8217;m cool with that.  Their relationship is never truly getting together.  When two people are that tempestuous, I always have trouble believing HEA.</p>
<p>As for Gundam, Gundam Wing is a guilty pleasure of mine.  I&#8217;m also pretty sure I&#8217;m one of the few people alive that likes Endless Waltz.</p>
<p>I started Kaiken Phrase and loved it, then stopped for some reason . . . I should go read it again.  Sometimes I try to balance too many titles at once and one gets lost in the shuffle.   And now I also need to find the anime.</p>
<p>I hope as the audience US companies are currently targeting (11-14) grows older, more adult titles will be brought over.  Plus, many of those kids are hooking their parents on anime and manga.  (It&#8217;s a sound financial decision.  This was my dad buys the titles and I watch them.  ^_^  I&#8217;m still working on my mom.  And I completely unintentionally infected my dorm mates.  It&#8217;s their fault for stealing Pretear from my DVD case.)</p>
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		<title>By: ジェーン(Jān)</title>
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		<dc:creator>ジェーン(Jān)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never seen any of Kayono&#039;s titles.  They&#039;re kind of mature for the typical shoujo audience.  Then again, if they brought Shinjo Mayu over LOL.  

Shinjo Mayu is a guilty pleasure of mine.  I wouldn&#039;t recommend any parents give them to their young daughters, but for those who can take them as the hot uber-alpha male (and sometimes @sshole) sexual fantasies that they are, they&#039;re mighty entertaining.  My favorite is Akuma na Eros.  That sex scene of theirs in hell is yummy.

By coincidence Kaikan Phrase is one of those series that I mentioned above, where I prefer the anime.  The music is great, if repeated a little too much, and I love the beginning where the show focuses on the band getting together.

I *loved* Hana Kimi!  I didn&#039;t mind the end to that though it could have been better.  But it seemed appropriate.  That&#039;s another I need to review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen any of Kayono&#8217;s titles.  They&#8217;re kind of mature for the typical shoujo audience.  Then again, if they brought Shinjo Mayu over LOL.  </p>
<p>Shinjo Mayu is a guilty pleasure of mine.  I wouldn&#8217;t recommend any parents give them to their young daughters, but for those who can take them as the hot uber-alpha male (and sometimes @sshole) sexual fantasies that they are, they&#8217;re mighty entertaining.  My favorite is Akuma na Eros.  That sex scene of theirs in hell is yummy.</p>
<p>By coincidence Kaikan Phrase is one of those series that I mentioned above, where I prefer the anime.  The music is great, if repeated a little too much, and I love the beginning where the show focuses on the band getting together.</p>
<p>I *loved* Hana Kimi!  I didn&#8217;t mind the end to that though it could have been better.  But it seemed appropriate.  That&#8217;s another I need to review.</p>
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		<title>By: Krystle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like manga by Kayono although I&#039;m not sure whether it&#039;s available in English. They&#039;re really sexy!!

I really enjoyed Hanazakari no kimitachi e (For You in Full Blossom), although like Hana Yori Dango the ending was pretty weak. (Better than the one in the latter though!)

One of my absolute favourite shoujo mangas&#039; was Kaikan Phrase by Shinjo Mayu~
Have you read it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like manga by Kayono although I&#8217;m not sure whether it&#8217;s available in English. They&#8217;re really sexy!!</p>
<p>I really enjoyed Hanazakari no kimitachi e (For You in Full Blossom), although like Hana Yori Dango the ending was pretty weak. (Better than the one in the latter though!)</p>
<p>One of my absolute favourite shoujo mangas&#8217; was Kaikan Phrase by Shinjo Mayu~<br />
Have you read it?</p>
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