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		<title>By: E-publishing&#8230; aaaaargh! Part 1. &#171; The writing life of Nadia Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>E-publishing&#8230; aaaaargh! Part 1. &#171; The writing life of Nadia Williams</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Anne Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall my mother telling me that if I dug the hole, I&#039;d better be able to get myself back out of it. On that same principle I can&#039;t see why I&#039;d be expecting any low cost organization I choose to join - short of an actual union or organization with a high cost to join - to fight my battles for me.

For $30/yr dues at EPIC, I personally find the concept of lawyering up the organization and trying to police the industry pretty laughable. But not because I&#039;m disagreeing with you on the point of WHAT exactly does EPIC do, I have indeed asked myself the same question, but because the organisation to my eye is just plain not capable to do as Jane suggests it should do as it stands currently.  

Now, if EPIC dues were the equivalent of the RWA dues (a rough calculation by going to the RWA site this afternoon is $190 for me to join the organization and the chapters appropriate for me, although to be fair and compare like to like as $100 as EPIC doesn&#039;t offer separate chapters), and they had the volume of authors/aspiring authors attached to EPIC(666 *eek*) as what the RWA (9500+)does then, yeah, would I be expecting more bang for my buck, but even then, RWA&#039;s $100/year won&#039;t go far. There is also the RWA&#039;s 30? years (I can&#039;t find an exact amount of time on their website and am just going by the above comments of people saying they were RWA members in &#039;80/&#039;81) to EPICs 10 (although I&#039;d hazard that only the last 4-5 years would be of most relevance as author membership grew and technology became more obviously available.)

Now, when my husband was a Chartered Accountant he had to pay &lt;strong&gt;thousands&lt;/strong&gt; in fees to be a part of that organization, with the expectation that indeed, the organisation had a certain amount of sway in the industry, was involved in policing said industry, were there for clients shafted by  one of their members and there for those members shafted by their clients. 

Can anyone expect any organisation to offer that kind of expectation for $30 or even RWA&#039;s $100? Personally, no - and it wasn&#039;t an expectation I had when I initially joined EPIC. I also cannot understand how anyone primary author organisation can police an industry that has very little regulatory guidance to begin with. Even the mighty RWA can only &#039;police&#039; those authors and publishers that agree to perform to their stated guidelines for admittance to the organisation, and even then only as it pertains to &#039;Romance&#039; publishers. EPIC is not a Romance only organisation, and from what I see (and I am firmly in the romance sector of the industry, I have little to no exposure to other genre of ePublishing) the recent closures have mainly been to do with Romance - which makes sense considering that is primarily what I understand Dear Author to be all about. (And why I read everyday :) )

I&#039;m not a rabid EPIC fangurl, although I am currently a member. I&#039;m also not a member of the RWA, so any comparisons I&#039;ve made have only been garnered from looking through their websites. But I am an eAuthor who has mulled over this post for the last two days, cringing at another blog brouhaha over ePublishing. Logically, I know Jane&#039;s opinion isn&#039;t an attack on ePublishing in general, but still I cringe at how many readers (not authors) have yet again been turned from the market, when indeed there are many stable publishers functioning no differently - ie very successfully - than their traditional publishing counterparts in NY.

And, although I have no personal experience of it, I&#039;m sure there are many &#039;traditional&#039; publishers who have done all the same things as the recent rash of ePublishers, where authors have been left hung out to dry, and having to use the same advice my mother gave me to find their way out of it.

Ps - and because I have no idea, does the RWA - or any other author organisation not related to romance - offer an available to the public listing of good/bad/so-so publishers? (Serious question, I want to bookmark them if they exist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall my mother telling me that if I dug the hole, I&#8217;d better be able to get myself back out of it. On that same principle I can&#8217;t see why I&#8217;d be expecting any low cost organization I choose to join &#8211; short of an actual union or organization with a high cost to join &#8211; to fight my battles for me.</p>
<p>For $30/yr dues at EPIC, I personally find the concept of lawyering up the organization and trying to police the industry pretty laughable. But not because I&#8217;m disagreeing with you on the point of WHAT exactly does EPIC do, I have indeed asked myself the same question, but because the organisation to my eye is just plain not capable to do as Jane suggests it should do as it stands currently.  </p>
<p>Now, if EPIC dues were the equivalent of the RWA dues (a rough calculation by going to the RWA site this afternoon is $190 for me to join the organization and the chapters appropriate for me, although to be fair and compare like to like as $100 as EPIC doesn&#8217;t offer separate chapters), and they had the volume of authors/aspiring authors attached to EPIC(666 *eek*) as what the RWA (9500+)does then, yeah, would I be expecting more bang for my buck, but even then, RWA&#8217;s $100/year won&#8217;t go far. There is also the RWA&#8217;s 30? years (I can&#8217;t find an exact amount of time on their website and am just going by the above comments of people saying they were RWA members in &#8216;80/&#8217;81) to EPICs 10 (although I&#8217;d hazard that only the last 4-5 years would be of most relevance as author membership grew and technology became more obviously available.)</p>
<p>Now, when my husband was a Chartered Accountant he had to pay <strong>thousands</strong> in fees to be a part of that organization, with the expectation that indeed, the organisation had a certain amount of sway in the industry, was involved in policing said industry, were there for clients shafted by  one of their members and there for those members shafted by their clients. </p>
<p>Can anyone expect any organisation to offer that kind of expectation for $30 or even RWA&#8217;s $100? Personally, no &#8211; and it wasn&#8217;t an expectation I had when I initially joined EPIC. I also cannot understand how anyone primary author organisation can police an industry that has very little regulatory guidance to begin with. Even the mighty RWA can only &#8216;police&#8217; those authors and publishers that agree to perform to their stated guidelines for admittance to the organisation, and even then only as it pertains to &#8216;Romance&#8217; publishers. EPIC is not a Romance only organisation, and from what I see (and I am firmly in the romance sector of the industry, I have little to no exposure to other genre of ePublishing) the recent closures have mainly been to do with Romance &#8211; which makes sense considering that is primarily what I understand Dear Author to be all about. (And why I read everyday :) )</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a rabid EPIC fangurl, although I am currently a member. I&#8217;m also not a member of the RWA, so any comparisons I&#8217;ve made have only been garnered from looking through their websites. But I am an eAuthor who has mulled over this post for the last two days, cringing at another blog brouhaha over ePublishing. Logically, I know Jane&#8217;s opinion isn&#8217;t an attack on ePublishing in general, but still I cringe at how many readers (not authors) have yet again been turned from the market, when indeed there are many stable publishers functioning no differently &#8211; ie very successfully &#8211; than their traditional publishing counterparts in NY.</p>
<p>And, although I have no personal experience of it, I&#8217;m sure there are many &#8216;traditional&#8217; publishers who have done all the same things as the recent rash of ePublishers, where authors have been left hung out to dry, and having to use the same advice my mother gave me to find their way out of it.</p>
<p>Ps &#8211; and because I have no idea, does the RWA &#8211; or any other author organisation not related to romance &#8211; offer an available to the public listing of good/bad/so-so publishers? (Serious question, I want to bookmark them if they exist).</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be third. Still sure I haven&#039;t said it much because it hadn&#039;t occurred to me until the New Concepts debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be third. Still sure I haven&#8217;t said it much because it hadn&#8217;t occurred to me until the New Concepts debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Em, I think that&#039;s the second time I mentioned being cautious about epublishers. They might not be around in a few years. Since I&#039;m still with one of them and considering another at some way away future point, I&#039;d tend to think they&#039;ll be around a while as well. However, in light of current happenings, you still never can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Em, I think that&#8217;s the second time I mentioned being cautious about epublishers. They might not be around in a few years. Since I&#8217;m still with one of them and considering another at some way away future point, I&#8217;d tend to think they&#8217;ll be around a while as well. However, in light of current happenings, you still never can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: veinglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>veinglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shayne, I&#039;ve heard you say that about epublishers many times now.  I&#039;ll lay down $50 right now that in 5 years Ellora&#039;s Cave, Samhain, and Loose Id will *all* still be trading.  I think the dangerous category here is not releasing in e-book format, it&#039;s being a one-person garage-based business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shayne, I&#8217;ve heard you say that about epublishers many times now.  I&#8217;ll lay down $50 right now that in 5 years Ellora&#8217;s Cave, Samhain, and Loose Id will *all* still be trading.  I think the dangerous category here is not releasing in e-book format, it&#8217;s being a one-person garage-based business.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I certainly wasn&#039;t calling MY mother an old woman.  She&#039;d slap me into next month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I certainly wasn&#8217;t calling MY mother an old woman.  She&#8217;d slap me into next month!</p>
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		<title>By: Nora Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My BFF in MD, I certainly didn&#039;t think you were calling anybody old women. The blog I read was crystal clear re the old--among other things--and had, basically, the entire membership ready for transportation to the retirement home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My BFF in MD, I certainly didn&#8217;t think you were calling anybody old women. The blog I read was crystal clear re the old&#8211;among other things&#8211;and had, basically, the entire membership ready for transportation to the retirement home.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Angela.  You make good points.  

I was reacting to the recent flap about &quot;author chargebacks&quot; in the Tsaba contract.  That felt like the same kneejerk reaction we had at Nationals last year when the definition of a subsidy or vanity publisher was rewritten to include &quot;publishers whose primary means of offering books for sale is through a publisher-generated Web site.&quot; 

Stephanie:  Come back and talk to us.  We&#039;ll play nice with other children.  Promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Angela.  You make good points.  </p>
<p>I was reacting to the recent flap about &#8220;author chargebacks&#8221; in the Tsaba contract.  That felt like the same kneejerk reaction we had at Nationals last year when the definition of a subsidy or vanity publisher was rewritten to include &#8220;publishers whose primary means of offering books for sale is through a publisher-generated Web site.&#8221; </p>
<p>Stephanie:  Come back and talk to us.  We&#8217;ll play nice with other children.  Promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Angela, I agree with you–and thanks once again for being so fair and balanced.

I’ll add that I recently read a blog where the RWA membership was described as old white women who were sexual prudes and homophobic. As a charter member, I was really offended. It’s very hard to take that sort of insult. I wish some wouldn’t go to such extremes because it automatically raises the defenses and blurs–sometimes buries–the issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh shoot, I hope no one thought I was actually calling the board old women. That&#039;s why I had it in quotes, because I saw that same comment and that&#039;s what I was thinking of.</description>
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Angela, I agree with you–and thanks once again for being so fair and balanced.</p>
<p>I’ll add that I recently read a blog where the RWA membership was described as old white women who were sexual prudes and homophobic. As a charter member, I was really offended. It’s very hard to take that sort of insult. I wish some wouldn’t go to such extremes because it automatically raises the defenses and blurs–sometimes buries–the issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh shoot, I hope no one thought I was actually calling the board old women. That&#8217;s why I had it in quotes, because I saw that same comment and that&#8217;s what I was thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: LostSoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>LostSoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but isn&#039;t the problem then that if RWA or EPIC or MWA or the Mickey Mouse Club or any other organization won&#039;t stand up and try to help aspiring authors out... who will?

it&#039;s fine to say that a budding author should network and connect and do all the paperwork before signing a contract, but as we&#039;ve seen - you can have a company that&#039;s been around for years suddenly turn around and be so nasty that the mind doth boggles...

some organizaton needs to step up to the plate and stand for those authors who don&#039;t have the inside information or the connections to avoid bad publishers. RWA may not be the best at the moment but it&#039;s sure a heck of a lot better than EPIC which seems to be nothing more than a group of publishers shaking each other&#039;s hand while putting the free one into the pocket of the author and getting out the wallet.

as Dr. Phil would say - who&#039;s gonna be the hero?

kinda obvious that EPIC ain&#039;t even in the room...

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but isn&#8217;t the problem then that if RWA or EPIC or MWA or the Mickey Mouse Club or any other organization won&#8217;t stand up and try to help aspiring authors out&#8230; who will?</p>
<p>it&#8217;s fine to say that a budding author should network and connect and do all the paperwork before signing a contract, but as we&#8217;ve seen &#8211; you can have a company that&#8217;s been around for years suddenly turn around and be so nasty that the mind doth boggles&#8230;</p>
<p>some organizaton needs to step up to the plate and stand for those authors who don&#8217;t have the inside information or the connections to avoid bad publishers. RWA may not be the best at the moment but it&#8217;s sure a heck of a lot better than EPIC which seems to be nothing more than a group of publishers shaking each other&#8217;s hand while putting the free one into the pocket of the author and getting out the wallet.</p>
<p>as Dr. Phil would say &#8211; who&#8217;s gonna be the hero?</p>
<p>kinda obvious that EPIC ain&#8217;t even in the room&#8230;</p>
<p>:(</p>
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