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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bookgal - I hear you.  Sometimes I read outside the genre to rediscover my love for romance.  I know that I love reading about two people falling in love and obtaining an HEA but when the setup is contrived or the two characters lack compatability on the even most basic levels, it is hard to read romance because romance relies so heavily on the development of the characters.  Sometimes taking a break can reinvigorate romance reading.  Have you tried the Bourne book yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bookgal - I hear you.  Sometimes I read outside the genre to rediscover my love for romance.  I know that I love reading about two people falling in love and obtaining an HEA but when the setup is contrived or the two characters lack compatability on the even most basic levels, it is hard to read romance because romance relies so heavily on the development of the characters.  Sometimes taking a break can reinvigorate romance reading.  Have you tried the Bourne book yet?</p>
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		<title>By: bookgal</title>
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		<dc:creator>bookgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had voted in the AAR poll for many years in the past.  I stopped voting in 2007 because I felt that the poll was not a good setup.  The interim results are confusing.. to look at, keep up with and to figure out.  They are just a list of books that are popular during the vote. Other than that, it gives me no other info.  I stopped voting because I felt that the poll is just a free for all.  

I seriously wish they would have something like a nomination vote first.  To weed out all the wrong books and include all the valid entries.  This would also help to weed out the books that don't really fit the category, are not of the right publication year and "the drive by" fangirl votes that Laurie Gold speaks of.

Then take the top ten books of each category and do a general vote.  By doing something like that, I feel that when I do vote in the actual poll, I am voting for a book that has a chance of winning.

Finally, I no longer think AAR or any one romance site reflects what is really going on with readers out there and the romance industry.  I also actually really hate the new forums there.  Haven't participated much since she changed them.

For me, 2007 was a very bad romance year.   I am hearing this from a lot of fellow readers, but when I say it I feel like the voice of doom.  For example,  I didn't really have a really five star favorite historical.  Not one that seemed to stand out above all others.  Many of the categories are like that for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had voted in the AAR poll for many years in the past.  I stopped voting in 2007 because I felt that the poll was not a good setup.  The interim results are confusing.. to look at, keep up with and to figure out.  They are just a list of books that are popular during the vote. Other than that, it gives me no other info.  I stopped voting because I felt that the poll is just a free for all.  </p>
<p>I seriously wish they would have something like a nomination vote first.  To weed out all the wrong books and include all the valid entries.  This would also help to weed out the books that don&#8217;t really fit the category, are not of the right publication year and &#8220;the drive by&#8221; fangirl votes that Laurie Gold speaks of.</p>
<p>Then take the top ten books of each category and do a general vote.  By doing something like that, I feel that when I do vote in the actual poll, I am voting for a book that has a chance of winning.</p>
<p>Finally, I no longer think AAR or any one romance site reflects what is really going on with readers out there and the romance industry.  I also actually really hate the new forums there.  Haven&#8217;t participated much since she changed them.</p>
<p>For me, 2007 was a very bad romance year.   I am hearing this from a lot of fellow readers, but when I say it I feel like the voice of doom.  For example,  I didn&#8217;t really have a really five star favorite historical.  Not one that seemed to stand out above all others.  Many of the categories are like that for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaisior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaisior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure if I will vote this year because I didn't read a single romance novel published in 2007, although I did read a lot of romantic fantasy and some romantic science fiction from 2007. My ballot would probably be disqualified for ballot stuffing/ fan-girling for authors like Bujold and Shinn. One thing I find confusing is that Beguilement is on the second interim list and I'm assuming that's The Sharing Knife: Beguilement by Bujold, but that book was released in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if I will vote this year because I didn&#8217;t read a single romance novel published in 2007, although I did read a lot of romantic fantasy and some romantic science fiction from 2007. My ballot would probably be disqualified for ballot stuffing/ fan-girling for authors like Bujold and Shinn. One thing I find confusing is that Beguilement is on the second interim list and I&#8217;m assuming that&#8217;s The Sharing Knife: Beguilement by Bujold, but that book was released in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie--You're right I missed that.  I didn't notice that the results were in alphabetical order at all.  Actually, looking through people's responses, there were several things about the interim results that I didn't pay attention to.

No big.  I was just trying to express, however poorly, that I felt that mentioning the poll in conjunction with my favorite reads from last year, might be a shady fangirly thing to do.  

I personally love voting in polls. As KristieJ said, even if the author doesn't win I know at least I recognized her/him. I love voting period.  I think it's because I came of age during all that Clinton/Bush Rock the Vote stuff.

Linnea Sinclair FTW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie&#8211;You&#8217;re right I missed that.  I didn&#8217;t notice that the results were in alphabetical order at all.  Actually, looking through people&#8217;s responses, there were several things about the interim results that I didn&#8217;t pay attention to.</p>
<p>No big.  I was just trying to express, however poorly, that I felt that mentioning the poll in conjunction with my favorite reads from last year, might be a shady fangirly thing to do.  </p>
<p>I personally love voting in polls. As KristieJ said, even if the author doesn&#8217;t win I know at least I recognized her/him. I love voting period.  I think it&#8217;s because I came of age during all that Clinton/Bush Rock the Vote stuff.</p>
<p>Linnea Sinclair FTW!</p>
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		<title>By: Suisan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When I was 18 I voted in my first general election. I made my selection for president and ignored the remainder of the ballot. My vote still counted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, this is a VERY important point in politics. Very. People have the right to NOT vote for something they do not feel strongly about or do not feel informed enough about. But most of the time, people who haven't followed an issue closely enough tend to vote NO on an item. Many, many, many bonds and initiatives are worded so that a NO vote actually puts the thing into effect. (Although that has died down in recent years with more scrutiny of the issue.)

You can leave items blank on any ballot in America and not invalidate your votes. Many voters do not know this. 

/end of public service announcement.

Edited to add:

Manipulating data so that it reflects even distribution (voting in many categories, more than on author, etc.) is a CLASSIC example of human mind confusing wide distribution with randomness. Clusters can be random. Because a cluster shows up on your data, it does not invalidate those data points. Humans have an incredible problem understanding this intuitively. Which is why scientists use chi-squared tests and other such techniques to ensure that the data really is relevant. Mucking about in the data points day after day after day, let alone releasing interim results which effect the actions of later voters, invalidates the poll more than ANY drive-by voters or ballot stuffing. Get enough data points, the clusters become less relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill said:</p>
<blockquote><p>When I was 18 I voted in my first general election. I made my selection for president and ignored the remainder of the ballot. My vote still counted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, this is a VERY important point in politics. Very. People have the right to NOT vote for something they do not feel strongly about or do not feel informed enough about. But most of the time, people who haven&#8217;t followed an issue closely enough tend to vote NO on an item. Many, many, many bonds and initiatives are worded so that a NO vote actually puts the thing into effect. (Although that has died down in recent years with more scrutiny of the issue.)</p>
<p>You can leave items blank on any ballot in America and not invalidate your votes. Many voters do not know this. </p>
<p>/end of public service announcement.</p>
<p>Edited to add:</p>
<p>Manipulating data so that it reflects even distribution (voting in many categories, more than on author, etc.) is a CLASSIC example of human mind confusing wide distribution with randomness. Clusters can be random. Because a cluster shows up on your data, it does not invalidate those data points. Humans have an incredible problem understanding this intuitively. Which is why scientists use chi-squared tests and other such techniques to ensure that the data really is relevant. Mucking about in the data points day after day after day, let alone releasing interim results which effect the actions of later voters, invalidates the poll more than ANY drive-by voters or ballot stuffing. Get enough data points, the clusters become less relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devon -

Bloodfever is not the #1 choice; the results are listed alphabetically by how I enter them into my database, which is why Atlantis Awakening, which I enter as AA, for instance, might precede Agnes and the Hitman. I indicate that before any of the results are listed; sorry you missed it. And you might be interested to know that Games of Command is on today's update.

et al -

I'll sign off now. I didn't come over here to talk about the actual Dear Author entry other than to apologize for my inartful blog entry and to try and respond to some of the comments in order to clear up misconceptions. It's not my place, on this blog, to try and defend the poll. 

Laurie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon -</p>
<p>Bloodfever is not the #1 choice; the results are listed alphabetically by how I enter them into my database, which is why Atlantis Awakening, which I enter as AA, for instance, might precede Agnes and the Hitman. I indicate that before any of the results are listed; sorry you missed it. And you might be interested to know that Games of Command is on today&#8217;s update.</p>
<p>et al -</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll sign off now. I didn&#8217;t come over here to talk about the actual Dear Author entry other than to apologize for my inartful blog entry and to try and respond to some of the comments in order to clear up misconceptions. It&#8217;s not my place, on this blog, to try and defend the poll. </p>
<p>Laurie</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posts like Laurie's are one of the main reasons I don't use the site.  

Plus, I find it a real pain in the butt to navigate.  And the reviews are too bloody long.  If I wanted to read a book report, I'd have become a teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posts like Laurie&#8217;s are one of the main reasons I don&#8217;t use the site.  </p>
<p>Plus, I find it a real pain in the butt to navigate.  And the reviews are too bloody long.  If I wanted to read a book report, I&#8217;d have become a teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny that you guys wrote about this, because I voted in the AAR poll, then I've looked at the  interim results once or twice and was startled.  I was going to post about it at my admittedly humble blog, but then I starting thinking about the various statements I read, and got concerned that to post about it was some sort of breach of etiquette, or that I'd be contributing to drive-by voting or some nonsense.  My stats are small, so I doubt it would have any effect on the results, but it seemed awkward, so I didn't mention it at all.  

Once I've read the rest of the responses, perhaps I'll go blog about why KMM's Bloodfever (a book I loved and would classify as urban fantasy) was the #1 Sci-Fi/Fantasy romance and Games of Command wasn't on the list and people should go and vote for it.  

Is that shady, it feels kind of shady to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that you guys wrote about this, because I voted in the AAR poll, then I&#8217;ve looked at the  interim results once or twice and was startled.  I was going to post about it at my admittedly humble blog, but then I starting thinking about the various statements I read, and got concerned that to post about it was some sort of breach of etiquette, or that I&#8217;d be contributing to drive-by voting or some nonsense.  My stats are small, so I doubt it would have any effect on the results, but it seemed awkward, so I didn&#8217;t mention it at all.  </p>
<p>Once I&#8217;ve read the rest of the responses, perhaps I&#8217;ll go blog about why KMM&#8217;s Bloodfever (a book I loved and would classify as urban fantasy) was the #1 Sci-Fi/Fantasy romance and Games of Command wasn&#8217;t on the list and people should go and vote for it.  </p>
<p>Is that shady, it feels kind of shady to me.</p>
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		<title>By: azteclady</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Lies, damn lies, and statistics" Disraeli.

So yeah, you have to expect that the results of pretty much &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; poll will be worthless for most people.

I love romance, and I read quite a bit of it every year--but most of it doesn't seem to qualify, for one reason or another. Frankly I won't spend hours figuring out the ballot, and whether my choices are valid, and what not *shrug* Call me lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lies, damn lies, and statistics&#8221; Disraeli.</p>
<p>So yeah, you have to expect that the results of pretty much <em>any</em> poll will be worthless for most people.</p>
<p>I love romance, and I read quite a bit of it every year&#8211;but most of it doesn&#8217;t seem to qualify, for one reason or another. Frankly I won&#8217;t spend hours figuring out the ballot, and whether my choices are valid, and what not *shrug* Call me lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Sorenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Sorenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree that straight-ticket voting, or making a selection in fewer than six categories, should render a ballot invalid.  If a book is humorous, sexy, suspenseful, has a great couple, etc., an appreciative reader should be able to put it in any category she considers relevant.  Like Suisan said, maybe a voter has only read one romance she (or he) feels strongly about that year. 

When I was 18 I voted in my first general election.  I made my selection for president and ignored the remainder of the ballot.  My vote still counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that straight-ticket voting, or making a selection in fewer than six categories, should render a ballot invalid.  If a book is humorous, sexy, suspenseful, has a great couple, etc., an appreciative reader should be able to put it in any category she considers relevant.  Like Suisan said, maybe a voter has only read one romance she (or he) feels strongly about that year. </p>
<p>When I was 18 I voted in my first general election.  I made my selection for president and ignored the remainder of the ballot.  My vote still counted.</p>
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