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PRIDE WEEK INTERVIEW: On Character Authenticity

For Gay Pride week here at DA, I decided to interview a group of my favorite authors and bloggers about creating authentic LGBT characters. Laura Goode, Radclyffe, Georgia Beers, Kirsten Saell, Mfred, and Leah all agreed to answer my questions.

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Georgia Beers

kirsten saell

Kirsten Saell

Laura Goode

Laura Goode

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Leah

MFred

MFred

Radclyffe

Radclyffe


 

Welcome, ladies! Please introduce yourselves.

Mfred: I’m Mfred, a queer librarian living and working in Washington, DC.  I love romance novels, zombie movies, cold beer, and my cat.  I spend way too much time on the internet, over at http://mfred.tumblr.com

Radclyffe: I write lesbian romance, romantic intrigue, and erotica as Radclyffe and a paranormal romance series (Midnight Hunters) as L.L. Raand. I am also the publisher of Bold Strokes Books, an independent LGBTQ publishing company www.boldstrokesbooks.com.

Georgia Beers: I have published 7 lesbian romance novels, with an eighth on its way in October. I live in upstate New York with my partner of 17 years and our dog and cat. My website is www.georgiabeers.com.

Leah: I’m a straight woman who loves to read bi and lesbian romance. http://bi-curious-romancenovel-chat.blogspot.com/

Laura Goode (bio): Laura Goode‘s first novel for young adults, Sister Mischief, is forthcoming from Candlewick Press on July 12. She lives in San Francisco, where she roams the streets in search of passing divas and noir-y neon signs to put in her new mystery novel.

Kirsten Saell writes bi, straight, and ménage romance for Samhain. http://www.kirstensaell.com/
1. How can you tell an authentic character from a stereotype?

Radclyffe: Stereotypes tend to be defined by one or two broad elements– thumbnail physical descriptions (eg. screaming queen; heavyset butch), job type (hairdresser, truck driver), use of dialect etc whereas authentic characters are multidimensional with distinctive mannerisms, motivations, hangups, and conflicts that stem from unique backstory.

Georgia: I find if the character’s sexuality doesn’t define them, if it’s simply one aspect of them, one fraction of the whole personality, it rings much truer for me than a character who is a lesbian first and everything else second. Favorite authors of mine who are very good at creating believable LGBT characters are Ruth Perkinson, JD Glass, Karin Kallmaker, KG MacGregor.

Mfred: Stereotypes are pretty easy to spot. One minute you are cruising along, enjoying your special reading time; and the next you are either bored or enraged—because that is what stereotypes do, right? They bore by being flat, cardboard characterizations that you have seen a million times over, or they enrage by embracing all of the demeaning and insulting generalizations ever made.

I think the most authentic characters are ones that inspire a sense of kinship. These characters feel like real people, even when they are in small, secondary roles.  Authenticity, to me, means understanding that my sexuality defines me to the entire world and also not at all, at the same time, every day of my life. That I am complicated, beautiful, and weird, just like every other human being on the planet.

Leah: A character who is a stereotype only will be one-dimensional. There are authentic lesbian/bi characters who have stereotypical traits, however, the difference is they are portrayed as complex people.

Laura: That’s easy–relatability. If you can relate to a character, even–maybe especially–if you don’t like that character, the character has depth and complexity. No one empathizes with a cardboard cutout.

Kirsten: I don’t know that there’s one definitive way to tell an authentic character from a stereotype. A character can represent a lot of stereotypes and still be authentic, just like actual people can. The difference, I think, lies in a fairly deep exploration of their goals/motivations/conflicts. In essence, complexity is what makes an authentic character.
2. What is your biggest pet peeve about the way lesbians are portrayed in fiction, television, or movies? Is there a common mistake or an insulting attitude that you see frequently?

Radclyffe: Television in particular attempts to make lesbian and gay characters so acceptable to the general viewing audience they de-sexualize the characters.

As to problematic attitudes: Internalized homophobia wins hands down–lesbians who put down other lesbians because they look or act “queer” or refuse to hide who they are.

Georgia: My biggest pet peeves are the stereotypes. Yes, there are masculine lesbians and that’s perfectly fine, but that’s not all of us. I don’t like the common assumption that if a lesbian doesn’t stereotypically look like she’s gay, she’s probably still attracted to guys. I don’t like when a lesbian couple is portrayed as one who’s masculine and one who’s feminine. It’s lazy writing. I think the biggest insult (especially on TV) is when the bisexual woman always ends up with a man.

Mfred: I believe I have a list of peeves right here in my flannel shirt pocket, next to the keys to my Harley, right by my FEMINAZI MAN HATER identification card.  Did I leave it in my frumpy, hemp-based vegan pants, next to that guide on wymyn wiccans?  No, I know, it’s tucked into my giant bag of deviant sex toys that I use deviantly with my hundreds of sexual partners, while I wait for Mr. Right and his Mighty Wang of Magic to save me from this lesbomanic lifestyle.

I truly, really hate that there appears to be some grand mystery to lesbian sex.  I hate that strangers feel comfortable asking me (or Ellen DeGeneres), “but seriously, how do you have sex?”  I mean, really?  It’s not rocket science.

Leah: My biggest pet peeve is that the portrayals are stereotypical, ie the butch, male hating, ultra feminist lesbian, as if all lesbians are butch and or hate men. Or they are sexually confused until a good man comes along to show them what they’re missing.

I also hate when bi women are portrayed as flaky and indecisive. Or that they are hanging with a woman to turn on a man or to go with the trend of it being cool to kiss a girl. I really hate when a girl kiss is thrown in on a TV show just to amp the ratings, when there is no relationship really.

Laura: Of course queer women have long been sick of being portrayed only as mannish. I also think there’s a waning, but still prevalent, attitude that female-female love and sexual attraction somehow “doesn’t count”, or counts less, or is endemic to a “phase”, that I find phallocentric and irritating.

Kirsten: My biggest pet peeve about portrayals of lesbians? I suppose it’s that most of the time, if a woman is sexually attracted to other women, she is automatically assumed to be a lesbian. Bisexual women don’t seem to exist outside of “male gaze” venues. Take Willow, on “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”–straight to lesbian in the space of one season. Susan on “Seinfeld”? She was straight. Then she was a lesbian. Then she was straight again. The idea of her being bisexual and monogamous was…just not even part of the cultural consciousness.

3.  Do you have a favorite gay romance?

Laura: The love affair between Stephen Gordon and Mary Llewellyn in Radclyffe Hall’s The Well of Loneliness both thrills and breaks my heart. In more popular culture, the relationship between Idgie Threadgoode and Ruth Jamison in Fried Green Tomatoes is equally bittersweet, I think. It’s more explicitly lesbian in the book, Fried Green Tomatoes at The Whistle Stop Cafe, but was toned down for the movie.

Georgia: Though now very dated, I still adore Katherine Forrest’s Curious Wine. A classic and for good reason.

Mfred: I think my favorite romantic lesbian movie is But I’m a Cheerleader.  That movie just makes me happy.  It’s darkly funny, sly, silly, and also so very romantic.  And yeah, Clea Duvall.  Sigh.  One day, Clea Duvall and I are going to make out (after I wash her hair).

Leah: Karin Kallmaker’s All the Wrong Places and Turning the Page by Georgia Beers. For bi characters, I recommend any of Kirsten Saell’s or Paisley Smith’s books as well as Jessie’s Girl by Amber Scott, La Bonne by Michele de Lully, and Je Me Rends by Kai Lu.

Kirsten: My favorite gay romance is actually a bisexual romance: Swordspoint, by Ellen Kushner. It’s an awesome book, with a complex plot and gritty protagonists who are by no means completely good or admirable.

4.  Can you offer any advice to straight authors writing gay characters?

Radclyffe: I think it’s important to show characters who are proud of their queer identity, even if within the context of the story being queer might be difficult. Gay and lesbian characters should be created the same way every other character is created–as multifaceted people with the same fears, dreams, and desires as everyone else. On the other hand, what distinguishes us as a subculture is that the object of our sexual and emotional passion is a person of the same sex. That fact affects how we think of ourselves, how others view us, how we interact with others, how we form relationships — the sexual aspect of being queer ought to be acknowledged even if sex itself is not part of the story.

Georgia: Make your characters real people, with qualities that go beyond being lesbian or gay or bisexual or trans or straight. Go deeper. I am a lesbian, but I’m also a daughter, a partner, a writer, Italian, tall, the oldest sister, an aunt, artistic, quiet, sensitive. There’s so much more to people than one aspect of their personality. Use them all.

Kirsten: Make them human first, gay second. When you start with a complex human character who happens to be queer, then even if their queerness is a major plot point or conflict within the story, it won’t take over. It’s when you start with gay and then try to add the human that the story’s GLBT elements completely take over and you end up writing stereotypes.
Mfred: Don’t make jokes out of queer characters.  Subvert stereotypes, don’t embrace them.  If your advice-giving hair dresser is also an effeminate gay man, then make sure he gives the best advice ever written in the history of hair salons.  Gay people are not asexual coat hangers for straight women to hang all their boyfriend problems on.  Also consider giving him a shout out in your epilogue. Realize that we, like a lot of minorities, are often left out of those Happily Ever Afters.  Give us one.

Don’t use queer characters to make speeches or embody political platforms.  Being gay is not character development.   If you are going to write queer, it’s because the character IS queer, and there is no other way for that character to be written.

Spend a little time googling the following terms: heteronormative, unpacking the invisible knapsack, privilege, cisgendered, stonewall, Reagan’s AIDS speech.  Then google autostraddle, dorothy snarker, ivan coyote, the queer fat femme guide to life, bklyn boihood…  Follow the links and read all the comments, until you know what a Biebian is and get why it’s funny.  And then take a deep breath, remember there is no way to make all people happy all the time, and just write a really good book.

Laura: I think true love knows very little of genitalia or self-identification. If you can write love well, it doesn’t matter who your characters love.

Thanks so much to everyone for participating! Discussion and questions are welcome.

Guest Reviewer

14 Comments

  1. Jayne
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 07:18:46

    I’ve read a few books with GLBT main characters but have been meaning to try more. Thank you ladies for the insights and information – and an idea of authors to check into.

    And thank you Jill for your reviews here and these interviews. I feel as if I’m less likely to smash myself on the rocks of ignorance by jumping blindly into the deep end of a new subgenre.

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    Jun 23, 2011 @ 08:19:56

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  3. Edie
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 08:20:26

    Loved this! Thanks ladies!

  4. Christine M.
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 08:35:16

    Thanks ladies!

  5. Mfred
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 08:38:37

    A million thanks to Jill and the Dear Author crew for including little old me in this interview. And also for celebrating Pride week with us!! I really respect the way this blog reaches out and includes all subgenres of Romancelandia!

  6. LVLMLeah
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 09:37:20

    Jill and DA I think it’s so cool that there are some interviews with some authors of lesbian romance on DA. That seems to be such a rare thing on a major, widely read, romance review site.

    I love reading insights from these authors. And I love that DA includes, promotes and offers space for reviews of GLBT romance.

    Thanks!

  7. DS
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 09:46:40

    I absolutely couldn’t decide on my favorite lesbian couple and ended up thinking about favorite lesbian themed books, I started pulling up books that I haven’t read in 30 years– Jane Rule’s Against the Season, Patricia Highsmith’s The Price of Salt– the famous happy ending is really just not a total tragic downer of an ending. Bertha Harris’ Confessions of Cherubino that I remember reading and rereading avidly one summer.

    After a huge gap of time when I read an occasional book by Ellen Hart or Nicola Griffith, in 2010 I bought and read Eleanor Lerman’s Still Alive, I enjoyed it a lot although it lacks a conclusion to the mystery element that may annoy many.

    While several gay male authors have self published on Kindle, it seems rare to find lesbian-themed books, or maybe I just don’t know where to look.

  8. Maili
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 11:51:45

    Thanks for this awesome post. I really enjoyed reading this. I second the But I’m a Cheerleader rec.

  9. Ridley
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 13:08:01

    Spend a little time googling the following terms: heteronormative, unpacking the invisible knapsack, privilege, cisgendered, stonewall, Reagan’s AIDS speech. Then google autostraddle, dorothy snarker, ivan coyote, the queer fat femme guide to life, bklyn boihood… Follow the links and read all the comments, until you know what a Biebian is and get why it’s funny.

    This is brilliant. It’s like how I read the ridiculous trending hastags on Twitter to see what slang looks like these days. I like this idea of meme farming to add authenticity, so long as it doesn’t result in info dumps.

    Great interviews! I’ve been stockpiling f/f and lesbian romance recs for my next buying binge and I’ll have to add some more now.

  10. rebekah
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 13:36:09

    thanks for doing these interviews, Jill. i really liked Laura’s last comment. a great love story is a great love story. :)

  11. Jill Sorenson
    Jun 23, 2011 @ 15:22:21

    Thanks again to all of the interviewees! And thanks to everyone for reading.

    When most people in this community talk about gay romance, the focus is on 2hotguysdoingit. So I’m happy to hear from a group of women writing/reading about women. The responses are full of great insights for creating authentic characters, period. Male or female, gay or straight. I know that when @handyhunter (?) wrote her post about cultural stereotypes in fiction, I soaked up every word. Hope this info is helpful in the same way.

  12. Keziah Hill
    Jun 24, 2011 @ 03:17:02

    Great to see some discussion of lesbian romance!

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