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Highland Press Warnings

Highland Press authors have complained about lack of communication with its publisher, with all communication being diverted to a secret co-publisher, DeborahAnne MacGillvray. Ms. MacGillivray is an author published by Highland Press (among other presses including Dorchester and Kensington) and also serves as a cover artist for Highland Press.

Among other things, Highland Press is purported to do the following:

  • Banning authors from author loops for speaking out against Highland Press
  • Sending emails to subsequent publishers of those “problem” authors demanding that stock photography that the author purchased for the covers of her Highland Press books not be used by subsequent publishers. These stock photos can be used, as we know, by every publisher out there. I’m not sure on what basis Highland Press claims that stock photo cannot be used.
  • Using MacGillivray’s position to delete reviews she has provided to these problem authors and deleting reviews of the author’s friends. (Of course, these are MacGillivray’s reviews and she is entitled to do whatever she wants with them).

A corollary to this is that the co-publisher uses a Yahoo Group list, Ladies in Waiting, change her Amazon reviews. When MacGillivray she gets a bad review, she tells the loop to click on the link to the Amazon page and vote “no” and then “report abuse”. With enough of those “report abuse” entries, the review is then removed. This was complained about on the Amazon board as well. One fan related a run-in with Ms. MacGillivray on a message board about the deleted reviews.

one thing macgillivray made a point of lecturing me about was the fact that the negative reviews were affecting folks livelihoods…like kids won’t eat and puppies won’t get fed, etc. i took issue with that because if reviews were here for the express purpose of putting money in the author’s pocket, the over-gushing reviews would be the only ones accepted by amazon or anyone else for that matter. it’s not my problem as the consumer to make sure an author eats. it’s my responsibility as a consumer to be honest about my feelings regarding a product so that the next consumer is educated enough to make a decision for or against the purchase of a product. period.

another poster here had her negative review for one of macgillivary’s books deleted and macgillivary defended that move too. in the end though, i find it difficult to believe this is some arbitrary thing when it seems the only author who is coming up in this discussion OVER AND OVER AGAIN is macgillivary.

As a reader, I am far more disturbed about the last item which appears that MacGillivray is using her position to game the Amazon review system. I’m sure that there are dozens of authors who would like negative reviews to be removed. Other fans and authors find this practice disturbing as well.

Jane Litte is the founder of Dear Author, a lawyer, and a lover of pencil skirts. She spends her downtime reading romances and writing about them. Her TBR pile is much larger than the one shown in the picture and not as pretty. You can reach Jane by email at jane @ dearauthor dot com

342 Comments

  1. DS
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:11:33

    Sometimes the terms used get nauseating. Neggies and Pozzies and Puters. I have to agree that there is something very cold blooded about the organization of the attack. I guess we are lucky that DAM doesn’t seem to have any political aspirations outside of Amazon and Romance.

  2. Just A Reader
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:14:53

    Oh… My… God.
    Well, there it is in black & white, huh?
    Clickies. Isn’t that precious.

    And Nora Roberts, you are so my idol:P

  3. DB
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:17:00

    I tried to read “A Restless Knight” and IMO it stunk.

    I struggled through the first two chapters and threw it against the wall in the third chapter.

    My recollection of it was the heroine was always laying down. And the hero laid beside her and even pulled her up to him and never touched her, but went to sleep.

    Boring, stupid, and unrealistic!

    I’m not trying to be ugly, but I love romance novels and this one stunk. I also know for a fact the ‘clickies’ is true.

    Now when I read what the author wrote, the grammar mistakes, the misspelled words and the sentences that didn’t make a bit of sense, I wonder how she ever got published, and why.

  4. Rebecca Goings
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:18:59

    The emails to me definitely intimated how wrong I was (if it WAS me) to participate here, to comment. Well, nobody bullies me. I hope those who are trying to get a foothold in a publishing career realize these kind of people can't ruin a career, can't blackball, can't stop you if you have the talent and determination to write.

    OMG, Nora, one of these days, I’m going to buy you a drink, m’dear.

    ~~Becka

  5. Anna Kathryn
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:20:39

    Re: Jane’s post 191

    No, the the author of the letter on my blog was not written by Michele Ann Young. Though it won’t be hard to narrow the list for this letter writer, I don’t want blame laid where it doesn’t belong, but I don’t plan to name the person, who at one time was good friend of mine.

  6. Gennita Low
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:28:58

    I have been reading this thread all day not knowing exactly what to say. Reading about a reader being stalked by an author through the Internet over a “bad” review, so far as to check her genealogy, threatening another publisher about a stock photo used on a cover, authors screaming at another author, privately and publicly, requests for clicks on an author’s loop by the (co)publisher (request for clicks?! I can see asking one or two close friends or family members to click, but a whole loop of fellow authors?!), being yelled at for not going to a strip show, monitoring MYSPACE friends (are you kidding me?), taking readers to task on Amazon–it all seems so surreal.

    I can’t even see what anyone who chose to participate in the stalking and clicking hoped to accomplish. Is defending one’s work to the ends of the world (or Internet) to one reader really going to help sales?

    I find all the manipulation and threats more than a little disturbing. I understand the wonderful feeling of getting one’s work published, but ladies, you have to look at it as a business. If you won’t let your own daytime job boss/manager/supervisor treat you this way, why are you allowing these people this power? The writing is art, is self-love, is, perhaps, your quest. The publishing? It’s a business, a conduit. Find another venue when you’re being treated less than you are. At the end of the day, those people would not give your book the respect it deserves (Clicking on each other’s reviews is not respect, btw).

  7. Jane
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:32:43

    Anna Kathryn – I’m sorry and my apologies to Michele Ann Young. I didn’t realize that there was more than one author of Brides of the West. I’ve gone to Amazon and the authors are Michele Ann Young (Author), Kimberly Ivey (Author), Billie Warren Chai (Author)

  8. AnnyAuthor
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:37:41

    Gennita
    I’m happy to say that I have moved on. I am currently with a publisher that loves my writing and takes care of me. This was my test to prove that another house would find merit in my romances. And they did! I wasn’t told to thank them, or constantly told I wouldn’t be published if not for them. But, it took me a long time to shake off the funk from this house. I found myself afraid to ask questions for fear of a trouncing. Which just went further in frustrating me. I really stopped and wondered if I wanted to continue writing if this was how writers were treated. Thankfully I let my stubborn nature carry me through and I have achieved my dream of being proudly published elsewhere.

    In the end I couldn’t agree more with your post!

  9. wired for sound
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:43:39

    I’m agog – they tried to intimidate Nora? It shouldn’t matter, no one should be bullied. But to go after a publishing icon with a personal email rant is a few french fries short of a Happy Meal. Either there is an overwhelming sense of power (Spitzer-onian) or there is a slippage from reality. I hope Deborah MacGillivray and the ‘cliquettes’ is brought to task since it is clear that public scrutiny is no deterent. (Fascinating – this would never make a good novel – no one would believe it.)

  10. Avenging Angel
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:54:28

    The emails to me definitely intimated how wrong I was (if it WAS me) to participate here, to comment. Well, nobody bullies me. I hope those who are trying to get a foothold in a publishing career realize these kind of people can't ruin a career, can't blackball, can't stop you if you have the talent and determination to write.

    Nora,

    I just want to thank you for taking the time to post. Your honesty and concern has helped me, and I know others. You truly are an inspiration!!! I am going to keep this on my desk as a constant reminder to persevere.

  11. I'm Not Telling
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:55:38

    I thought Anna Kathryn Lanier sounded familiar and I finally found it.
    She is Melinda Porter of the Hearts Through History Chapter.

    Melinda Porter
    President Hearts Through History RWA

    w/a MJ Sager _www.mjsager.com_ (http://www.mjsager.com/)
    w/a Anna Kathryn Lanier _www.aklanier.com_ (http://www.aklanier.com/)

    I didn’t renew and don’t know if she is still there. But it has to be the same person. I thought she was nice but wow. I’m glad I didn’t rejoin.

  12. Kristie(J)
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 20:56:32

    I am stunned by the whole viciousness and vindictiveness of this author and her cronies. That adult women could behave in this way is – well – mind boggling. I bought A Restless Knight and In Her Bed when they first came out and now I’m stumped as to what to do with them. I haven’t read them and I certainly won’t now.

  13. Jane
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:00:34

    I’m not sure what your point is, “I’m Not Telling” because I don’t know that AKL is hiding who she is. How is she not nice? By speaking out? By warning other potential authors that Highland Press has some warning flags? By exposing that she is being threatened by other authors for speaking out? I actually think that is much “nicer” than keeping your mouth shut and letting a bunch of other people possible fall into a bad situation?

  14. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:39:22

    oh, man, my inner brat is showing. Is it wrong of me to suddenly want to write a western just so I can have a reason to use the picture that launched 1000 words?

  15. Gennita Low
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:43:28

    Shiloh,

    No, you don’t! I was going to use it for my book, Virtually Taken, dammit.

    ;-)

  16. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:45:54

    ..but…but… Gennita :-O I thought you loved me. Let me have it.

  17. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:53:42

    Inner brattiness aside, I’m still trying to figure out half of this mess.

    It’s sad~very sad, because I hate to think that readers get the impression that authors are out to get them. I hate to think that new authors might get the impression that if they don’t toe the line, they’ll never make it. I hate to think new authors are worried that a bad experience with one publisher is going to carry over to another.

    One thing I can say is that writing shouldn’t be about clicks or cliques.

  18. I'm Not Telling II
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 21:56:44

    Is this a publicity stunt for The Wild Rose Press? Good job ladies.

  19. AnnyAuthor
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 22:06:38

    Have you bothered to read the thread? No one has mentioned Wild Rose Press.

  20. Anna Kathryn
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 22:08:07

    I hate to think new authors are worried that a bad experience with one publisher is going to carry over to another.

    Shiloh, I haven’t worried about this. I have gone on to another small publisher who has treated me like a queen…well, at least like an adult who deserves respect. My experience with the bad apple didn’t color me negative to all small presses.

    And an aside to “I’m Not Telling.” I, too, am confused why my being an RWA chapter president has anything to do with this. I have not once mentioned that on my blog. Nor have I mentioned on HHRW my troubles with this publisher. I have been very careful to keep my lives separate and not let the actions of this publisher affect me in my duties as president.

    I don’t know why you didn’t rejoin HHRW, but I seriously doubt it had anything to do with me. And if it did, I request that you present proof of that and not just sling around unsubstantiated rumors.

  21. On My Mind
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 22:27:36

    MEA SHIT IN NEST

    EVery member of this Two faced bitch club REMOVE MY COVERS IMMEDIATEY. FL WILL DEAL WITH YOU ON THE CONTACTS.

    The above was written by DAM last November when an email from a group of long-time HP authors who were trying to help newbies at HP adjust to DAM’s rantings; it went to the HP loop by accident. As a result, viscious emails from her abounded. This is just one of them. DAM did the covers for HP. And FL refers to Leanne.

    OH, and the “Mea Shit in Nest” refers to the subject line of the errant email from an HP author which said “Mea Culpa.”

  22. Just A Reader
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 22:40:31

    I’m sorry, but why does the phrase you can dress them up, but you just can’t take them anywhere seem oh-so appropriate here?

    Every time I see something DAM posts, I keep getting the funny feeling that I’m seeing a primate in a (bad) writer’s costume:P

  23. HP DOGhouse Author
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 22:50:42

    I started feeling guilty last night.

    I will admit, I was the originial person to give Jane the information about my publishing company. A good friend of mine told me about DearAuthors.com and said this would be a great place to warn others what kind of treatment HP authors are getting. I had no idea it would take off the way it did…and to think four other blogs (that I know about) have picked up on this subject and they’re spreading the word.

    But then I started to feel guilty last night. Because of my email to Jane, I could have ruined a publishing company. I could have ruined an author’s carreer.

    But then I realized I didn’t ruin anything!!! HIGHLAND PRESS ruined themselves! DeborahAnne MacGillvray ruined herself!!!! All I did was let people know what was happening behind closed doors. My fellow HP authors were being hurt (and we’ve heard from several of them on this blog in the past few days). They were being abused, and I couldn’t stand for it any longer.

    The sad thing in all of this is that DeborahAnne told me once that if I was published with the big NY publishers, this is how they treat their authors. I had sent an email to Leanne Burroughs and DAM asking a question about my book, contract, etc, and I was told by DAM (because once again, I was ignored by Leanne) that if I was with a big NY publisher and had asked them this question, my email would have been ignored!!!

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don’t treat their authors this way!!

  24. Ann Somerville
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 23:02:27

    HP DOGhouse Author, if this is the way the big companies behave (which I don’t believe for a second) then I’m glad I’m with a little ‘un.

    This BS is part of the reason I stay self-published for so long and why I’m going to keep most of my output free and under my control. I just want to write and share my stories with readers who love my characters. I don’t need the egos or the marketing nonsense or the politics or the love fests between equally repellent personalities which act to bully and belittle anyone not in their inner circle.

    After reading this thread for days now, I wonder why anyone would want to get into the publishing business. ‘Snake’s nest’ doesn’t begin to cover it.

    (By the way – has anyone the ability to check IP addresses on ‘Happy HP Author’ and the ‘Not Telling’ anons? And does anyone think it stinks that no one from Highland Press has the cojones to address any of these allegations in public? Mind you, that does seem to be a pattern with crappy e-presses.)

  25. Nora Roberts
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 23:05:39

    ~Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!~

    No, of course they don’t.

    Editors are individuals, as are writer-editor relationships, so some will run smooth, some will have occasional bumps. But authors are not routinely abused, threatened, intimidated and ignored by editors and publishers of NY houses.

    I don’t believe they are by editors and publishers of solid, reputable e-houses either.

  26. Highland Patsy
    Apr 09, 2008 @ 23:39:16

    Nora,
    You are quite right, there are some very solid and reputable e-publishing houses that work very hard to help their authors succeed. All the bad press of late has not helped instill faith in smaller press, but there are some very dedicated publisher/owners who take what they do seriously and respect the people they contract. I’m very proud to be affiliated with some, and they have renewed my faith and reminded me why I wanted to be an author in the first place.

    You have my utmost respect for taking a stand against unfair practices, and It’s quite a honor to address you personally. Wow, whodda thunk it?

  27. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 00:38:33

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    I’ve worked with five different publishers now, four of them eprint or small press, the other a big press~and I still write for two of the small press/epublishers, the others I left on good terms.

    I’ve never been on the receiving end of this sort of treatment.

  28. I'm Not Telling II
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 01:14:23

    But her blog does. If it ain;t a publicity stunt, I can’t believe all u want is to warn other writers. Maybe I’m looking for the big picture. Their is always a big pictue.

    National RWA and Hearts Through History wants to get rid of them. So they told you to do this. I get the picture won.

  29. Ann Somerville
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 01:19:43

    I’m Not Telling II: Sweetie, you need to call the doc and get your meds adjusted. You’re making even less sense than you did before, which was fuck all, really.

    But tell me, did Ms Lanier run over your damn dog or something that you’re determined to shoehorn this grudge of yours where it won’t fit, no matter how much you froth at the mouth?

  30. Karen Scott
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 01:27:27

    Somebody posted this comment on my blog re Debbie Whatsherface:

    I may be off here, however, Google is showing I'm not:
    Wasn't MacGillivray also involved with a “Cash for Critiques” fund-raiser? Pay $100 dollars to win an opportunity to have your piece looked at by an editor/agent? Or am I misremembering?
    If (if, if, if) it was her I do remember her flying off the handle about how the person really needed the money when asked questions about follow through, accountability as well as the legality of her holding such a fund raiser.

    Interesting…

  31. Diane
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 01:43:18

    Another reader de-lurking here…

    When I read about the words and actions of DAM and her flying monkeys, alarms sound in my head, warning me that these women have moved beyond the Mean Girl/Queen Bee distinctions, in the true sense of the terms, and escalated to sociopathic levels.

    This is not business. It's abuse. Name-calling, continued belittling or patronizing comments, alienation of friends and support structures, withholding money, actual or threatened physical harm, stalking, intimidation — it's the quasi-corporate version of domestic violence. It is never okay, and never happens in a vacuum. The authors who have been beaten down in this fashion need to get out, get to safety, and heal. As seen by all of the anonymous author posters here, you are not alone. Learn from, and lean on one another.

    I'm not even remotely an expert, nor am I pretending to be, but in the course of my job I've received training to listen, observe and identify threatening words and body language. If I received the sorts of communications at my office that have been listed here and on other blogs, I would not only be documenting the information in several files and backup locations, but some of those verbal exchanges and actions would warrant filing police reports and possibly even restraining orders.

    It’s just sad, sick and wrong on so many levels.

    As Oprah would say, ‘When someone shows you who they are, believe them.'

    Then get out of the way. Whether you call it Divine Retribution, Karma, Justice, or any other name, it’s coming and it’s gonna be a bitch.

    Diane

  32. Anion
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 02:34:11

    But her blog does. If it ain;t a publicity stunt, I can't believe all u want is to warn other writers. Maybe I'm looking for the big picture. Their is always a big pictue.

    It always amazes me when people purport to know the “secret real reason” why authors do things to attempt to help other authors. Is it because you yourself have never done anything without having a self-serving motive? Because you don’t care about anything or anyone but yourself, so you don’t see why someone else would? Because you’re unable to separate your own petty emotions from your acts, and lack the imagination and basic intelligence to understand that not everyone thinks like you?

    Every HP author who’s contributed to spreading information about this hive of misery and unprofessionalism has done other writers a huge favor by warning them away–as have the NCP authors, the Mardi Gras authors, etc. etc. One voice, even a dozen voices (spread here and there all over the internet) can be disbelieved; written proof can not.

    Some people just want to keep others from falling into the same trap they fell into, end of story. Just because you don’t understand that–or, apparently, basic spelling and grammar–doesn’t mean they’re as black-hearted and selfish as you.

  33. Lleeo
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 02:56:14

    The sad thing in all of this is that DeborahAnne told me once that if I was published with the big NY publishers, this is how they treat their authors. I had sent an email to Leanne Burroughs and DAM asking a question about my book, contract, etc, and I was told by DAM (because once again, I was ignored by Leanne) that if I was with a big NY publisher and had asked them this question, my email would have been ignored!!!

    I’m so sorry that you and many other authors with HP had to go through this. After working hard to realize your dream of getting published you had to put up with bullying and intimidation from the people you worked for for asking reasonable questions. It sounds like authors and readers alike have been undermined by Deborah MacGillivray and Leanne’s petty grievances. As an avid romance reader, I support both the readers who have been duped by Ms. MacGillivray’s corrupt Amazon reviews and bullied and authors who have been bullied, threatened and treated to childish rants and ‘punishments.’

    I’m proud of you authors for speaking out. As a reader I was thoroughly disgusted by the complete lack of respect Deborah MacGillivray treated one of her devoted readers. Ms. MacGillivray should take note, an author who treats her readers with respect and dignity is probably going to receive that respect (and a lot of devotion) back ten-fold, especially if readers become fans of their work. To me, an author is kind of like a really great tour guide who draws me in to an interesting new world or perspective who shows me some great things along the way and keeps me entertained. They don’t tell me what to think or what’s good or bad about their world, they respect me enough to form my own opinions. Now imagine you discovered after the tour that your guide was arrogant, vindictive and condescending? That they considered you beneath them? That they manipulated you for their own selfish gain? That they treated the people they worked with and were in charge of disrespect and contempt? Would you really want to travel with them again? Of course not.

    As the authors and readers who have responded to this issue can attest to, we, as a community, aren’t going to put up with this kind of behaviour and these kinds of attitudes.

    National RWA and Hearts Through History wants to get rid of them. So they told you to do this. I get the picture won.

    I’m Not Telling II, do you really think that if this was a big conspiracy to “get rid of [Highland Press] that there would be so much blatant evidence about Deborah MacGillivray’s corrupt, vindictive practices against her authors and readers? Don’t you think there would be a lot more dissenting voices arguing that these ‘Unhappy HP authors’ are liars and just trying to smear Highland Press and Deborah MacGillivray’s reputation? To me, there is already too much evidence to the contrary and I really doubt that there are that many ‘Happy HP authors.’

  34. Eirin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 03:59:46

    Happy HP Author

    For a moment there I read that as ‘Happy PA Author’. HP does appear to have taken publisher/author-managment lessons from PublishAmerica.

    DAM, you have foot->mouth’ed yourself onto my AutoNeverEverBuy-list, where you may enjoy the company of other authors I have seen throw hissy-fits at readers (read: Paying customers).

    Readers do notice these things, you know. We don’t appreciate the abuse, we certainly won’t pay for it.

    ETA a WooHoo To Ilona Andrews way upthread, who, in contrast, wrote herself onto my AutoBuy-list with her very first book and cemented her position there with her second, the very excellent Magic Burns ;>

    *Does a one-woman wave*

  35. Bernita
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 04:48:58

    these women have moved beyond the Mean Girl/Queen Bee distinctions, in the true sense of the terms, and escalated to sociopathic levels.

    Diane, I agree.

  36. AnonAuthor
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 06:33:28

    If you won't let your own daytime job boss/manager/supervisor treat you this way, why are you allowing these people this power?

    They are either 1.) Feeding into her lies that they wouldn’t be published without her. Or 2.) They are playing “dress-up author” and have no aspirations to write anywhere else.

    I can tell by their voices who “Happy” and “I’m not Telling” are, (just as people have e-mailed saying they know who I am.) Both of them have only written 1-3 short stories (5,000 words a pop) and one of them a novella, in three years. Neither have any full-lengths finished or sold. That kind of output would not sustain your name or your career at any other house, which leads me to believe they are protecting their one chance at seeing their names in print. And DAM lets them stick around because they keep her pedestal nice and high, just how she likes it.

    Sadly, I think the driving greed to hold your book in your hands no matter the cost to your mind and soul, is the reason most of the authors are still over there. It’s hard to break into NYC, so they give up and put up with DAM’s Hitler-esque regime to realize their dream. Some even walked into that hell-hole knowing what a viper pit it was and now they are whining at us to shut up or we’ll ruin their book sales. (Oh yeah, Nora – you’re not alone in receiving those love-grams from HP-ers) Just goes to show what prolonged exposure to this place does to your self-esteem and your brain. Stay there long enough and you become one of them – her mindless, flying “clickie” monkey’s. Scary really.

  37. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 06:40:19

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    Well, I’m certainly not what anyone would consider “big” but I’m on my third book with my second publisher, both of which are imprints of two of the larger publishing conglomerates. Are there issues with being part of a larger conglomerate? Sure. No matter the size of the company, there is always some issue or another to deal with. And while I’ve had the occasional copy editor who made me wonder where they got the funny mushrooms, I’ve never been subjected to treatment like that by anyone, much less another author from the same house.

    It’s odd, but this situation is putting me in mind of the girls and children from the polygamists’ sect that were taken from the compound in Texas-’the ones who know nothing but that sect and are utterly unfamiliar with the conventions the rest of us take for granted.

  38. KateB
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 06:50:36

    Somebody posted this comment on my blog re Debbie Whatsherface:

    I may be off here, however, Google is showing I'm not:
    Wasn't MacGillivray also involved with a “Cash for Critiques” fund-raiser? Pay $100 dollars to win an opportunity to have your piece looked at by an editor/agent? Or am I misremembering?
    If (if, if, if) it was her I do remember her flying off the handle about how the person really needed the money when asked questions about follow through, accountability as well as the legality of her holding such a fund raiser.

    Yes, she headed that fundraiser for one of her cronies: author Dawn Thompson. Dawn passed away a month or two ago. But nothing was ever made public regarding the financials. Did anyone ever hear what happened to the money raised? Or find a list of winners for the lottery?

  39. Ann Somerville
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 07:12:57

    The detail of the fundraiser are here. (beware the hideous imbedded music)

    And in case our Debbie does her deleting thing again, it’s also here

    Ms Thompson died in February this year. Debbie commemorates this rather tackily by stealing another writer’s work (the lyrics by Don McLean).

  40. Lynne Connolly
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 07:15:03

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    Well I don’t think I’m that big, but I do write for the biggest epubs, Ellora’s Cave, Samhain and Loose-Id.
    And no, they wouldn’t dream of treating their authors in that way. I’m new to EC, but I’ve received nothing but courtesy and helpfulness.
    I do not play games. Yes there are ‘players’ in all spheres of life, and sadly, sometimes they win. For a while. But for my own peace of mind and my own self-respect, I don’t ‘play.’ If a New York publisher wants my work, that’s what they’ll get. To the best of my ability. And that is that.
    Thankfully, nobody has yet said that we are “one big family” which is now one of my danger signs.

  41. AnonAuthor
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 07:23:38

    Did anyone ever hear what happened to the money raised? Or find a list of winners for the lottery?

    Yeah, funny how this was everywhere – announced on basically every loop I’m on – and then nadda about the outcome. Hmmmm. I also find it strange that DAM is doing the galley edits of the deceased upcoming books. And a part of me wonders where the royalties to those and the upcoming HP re-releases of Ms. Thompson’s books are going to go?

    But I digress…I was kicked off the loop, so I have no idea if she announced all of the winners there or not. And the links Ann supplied don’t say either.

    I DO know from the grapevine that a few HP authors won crits though…pure luck, I’m sure.

  42. Christine Merrill
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 07:31:03

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    Also, not a big author. But I’m working for Harlequin, Mills & Boon, and they have a reputation as a soulless conglomerate. They do not do anything like this. When I first met my current editor, she told me that one of the hardest things to teach new authors, was that it was all right to ask questions. They actually wanted to hear from us, and help us if they could.

    When I have a question, I ask. If they are able, they give me an answer. Politely. I do not live in fear that every e-mail is the end of my career.

    A good publisher will behave professionally, and treat you as a professional. Highland is not a good publisher. There is no hidden agenda in saying this. And if they have any power to blackball you, anywhere? Then you do not want to go to that house either. Because it is also, not a good publisher.

    I am sorry if this steps on anyone’s dreams. But claiming that the rest of the publishing world is ‘just like this’ is so far from the truth that I have to say something.

  43. Bernita
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 07:59:08

    And if they have any power to blackball you, anywhere? Then you do not want to go to that house either. Because it is also, not a good publisher.

    Christine, that is a very good point.

  44. Alyssa Day
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 08:28:26

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    NO publisher should treat authors this way. I’ve written for three different publishers and never been treated with anything but respect and professionalism. Sure, there are going to be bumps that come along, but nothing like this. In fact, the only time I’ve EVER encountered anything like this was when Ms. MacGillivray came to the Dorchester authors’ (Leisure Ladies) loop. Her continued rants and tirades about anything and everything were shocking both in their tone and in their utter lack of any knowledge of the publishing industry and business in general. I eventually grew tired of reading it and withdrew from the loop; every digest was filled with her rambling posts about everything she thought she knew, which was almost always entirely wrong. Life was too short to have to read that kind of crap.

    In retrospect, I regret that decision. Had I known this was a pattern of action, I would have taken her on. I teach my kids never to put up with bullies and I don’t, either.

    Ms. MacGillivray also started that deceitful “clickies” crap on the Dorch loop, but I’m proud to say that the authors there were too smart and professional to fall for it.

    Finally, I was editor/agent chair at our local conference a week and a half ago. We had Highland Press represented. Had I known that Ms. MacGillivray was associated with the publisher to this degree, I would have never set people up with appointments there. I apologize for my lack of careful research on this point. I contacted RWA and they said that she claims, in writing, not to be anything but an author for the company, so I had no choice but to accept that. However, as many have pointed out, the truth always outs so time will give us the actual reality. I’m a big believer in Karma, too.

    I hope the readers who are dissuaded from reading romance by the actions of a few will reconsider. Believe me, the vast majority of us are hardworking honest writers who appreciate you more than you can ever know. And to the writers, please know that there ARE publishers out there who will treat you with the respect and professionalism that you deserve.

  45. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 08:51:14

    Finally, I was editor/agent chair at our local conference a week and a half ago. We had Highland Press represented. Had I known that Ms. MacGillivray was associated with the publisher to this degree, I would have never set people up with appointments there. I apologize for my lack of careful research on this point.

    I was the agent/editor co-chair for the conference Alyssa refers to in her post and I feel as if I should add my own apologies. I was already wary because I was forwarded emails in the days prior to the conference asserting that HP was bad-mouthing RWA with respect to the small press/e-pub by-laws change of a couple of weeks ago. But other than thinking it was in poor taste, given that they were about to be the guest of an RWA chapter at a conference, there wasn’t much else to be done about it.

    However, with everything that’s come to light in the past several days, I’ve grown more and more appalled. To think that anyone might imagine I’d endorse such loathsome behavior, even tacitly, is absolutely mortifying to me. Or that I’d knowingly send inexperienced and unsuspecting authors in the direct line of that sort of fire.

    Publishing is crazy enough without inviting that kind of insanity in voluntarily.

  46. Alison Kent
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:09:57

    The sad thing in all of this is that DeborahAnne told me once that if I was published with the big NY publishers, this is how they treat their authors.

    To reiterate – hell, no they don’t.

    I eventually grew tired of reading it and withdrew from the loop; every digest was filled with her rambling posts about everything she thought she knew, which was almost always entirely wrong.

    Ah, so it happened places besides the Kensington loop, and I wasn’t the only one who decided life was too short and left.

  47. Jane
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:11:23

    I’m on the road today but I had to pull over to comment. I wanted to thank those authors who’ve made a public stand for us readers and the aspiring authors in this matter. Readers, if you’ve been around in the past few years, you’ll know that when authors make public statements that are somewhat controversial, it is a risk for them. As Nora alluded to in previous comment, there is always blowback even though that seems nonsensical to us readers.

    But the blowback can be in the form of snippy emails from other authors or even readers who feel like the statements are unfair and maybe that impacts those authors in some way we can’t even foresee. It’s not that every author has to do this or that there is anything wrong with having an anon comment. But for those that do sign their names, it does take some measure of courage. The truth is that signing your name is not without risk and I wanted to thank those authors who have come out and made public statements.

  48. Alyssa Day
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:14:55

    Jane, now you’ve made me smile. Should I check my books at amazon for “neggie clickies” and bad reviews now? LOL. We all need to take a stand against this kind of internet terrorism. Thanks for opening this up to the light.

  49. CoveyWatcher
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:17:06

    Oh, so that’s what happened here. Compare that result to the number of votes received by the winners in November.

  50. Karen Scott
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:40:45

    That cocver is so ugly that Deb MacWhatever must have gotten her ‘clickies’ to vote for her. What I want to know is, how did such an obviously foul human being become so influential with readers.

  51. Keishon
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:41:16

    I wanted to thank those authors who've made a public stand for us readers and the aspiring authors in this matter

    Ditto. I hope those aspiring authors keep on trucking and not let this incident be the end of the road for you or discourage you.

  52. Ann Bruce
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:42:43

    I was thinking that cover needs to be snarked by the SBs or Bam because it’s fugly, but I don’t think MacWhatshername deserves any more publicity.

  53. Keishon
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:44:29

    That cover is straight up butt-ugly.

  54. Ann Bruce
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:46:59

    how did such an obviously foul human being become so influential with readers

    Is it readers or authors who were verbally and emotionally abused into believing she was their only road to publication?

    EDITED TO ADD: Is it “verbally” when its via email?

  55. Anion
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 09:54:33

    That cover is so ugly that Deb MacWhatever must have gotten her ‘clickies' to vote for her.

    It reminds me of that horror story, the one where the guy marries the beautiful woman who always wears a ribbon tightly around her neck, and she tells him never to take it off or he’ll be sorry?

    One night she’s sleeping and he can’t help himself, he unties the ribbon…and her head rolls off her body, eyes open, saying, “I told you you’d be sorrryyy…”

  56. Just another reader
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:05:01

    I really appreciate all the authors who have spoken up about this. The more I hear, the more appalled I am. The writers who have signed their names have instantly received my respect and I will be sure to buy their work and recommend it to others.

    The writers who have understandably not wanted to publish their names – I wish I knew only so that I could buy your work when you get out of the clutches of HP. But after reading the stories from authors here who say that most publishers are not staffed by tyrants, I am sure that you will find one of those publishers and be treated with the respect, kindness, and dignity that every human being deserves.

  57. You Missed Big Picture
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:05:51

    I’m not telling-you missed the big picture. It isn’t hearts history or RWA. They would have their corsets in a knot doing this. Think about what happened in the past few days.

    Bingo-Ginger released a book through Eternal Press. This is a publicity stunt for Eternal Press.

    These girls wouldn’t violate the sender’s copyright so they created them. Like the one below

    From: Marilyn @yahoo.com
    Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 1968 3:26 AM
    To: jkennedy@yahoo.com
    Subject: Visit

    Jack,

    I loved the Lincoln Bedroom. Thanks for
    showing me a good Time.
    I will see you on my return visit.

    Marilyn

  58. Kate
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:13:22

    YMBP. Huh? Seems to be a teeny tiny picture we missed. What the heck are you talking about?

  59. little bird
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:17:40

    Thanks everyone, readers, authors, big names and little, for this support, and chiming in. This drama has been a private little in-joke for some of us in my neck of the woods for awhile, as “how not to run a press,” “how not to run a yahoo group,” “how not to address people on public forums,” “how not to address people,ever in life”…

    Oh, right, and ummm, “how to completely ignore spell check and grammar tools so that everyone reading something you wrote might say, “Jeez, do you think she wrote that?’ while rolling their eyes” (Thus my amusement at a couple of those prior postings by unnamed HP supporters.)

    Chris Merrill, thanks for chiming in publicly on the same things you’ve said to us privately. As for Wild Rose Press, I also know many authors who are happily published with them; they practically gush. The only people I ever heard gush about HP were people who seemed to turn a blind eye when DAM would bully other authors on the loop. It really was a strange little fiefdom, way too Middle School for me.

    And since I wrote a note to Leanne Burroughs a year and a half ago, telling her that her associate’s tactics were mean-spirited and petty, and were hurting her professional aspirations for Highland Press, and that I would never ever submit to them again, I suppose I will sign my real name,

    bobbi dumas

    (Though most of my friends already recognized my ‘voice’) ;)

  60. TheQuietOne
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:22:57

    My mouth is open…following all of this. And there’s other blogs picking this up and its all over Amazon.

    There’s always a quiet one in the group who just watches what goes on and doesnt say much. Well, that’s me. I found LIW—Ladies in Waiting— a couple of years ago, and thought, Oh what a nice group. All these authors seem to care about one another. It said on Yahoo that this was a nurturing group for aspiring authors while we were “waiting” for our big break.

    And the clicky thing is real. At first, being a newbie, I thought that this was the way things worked. I thought that this was how you promoted your book. Authors had to help one another to get good reviews and help your books to climb the charts. Publishers would expect that, I figured. So, I did my fair share of daily clicking. Someday they would do it for me, right?

    Here is a typical clicky comment from LIW at random:

    Re: clickers please
    Posted by: “Leanne Burroughs” Mickeytl@gmail.com highlandpress48
    Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:10 pm ((PST))

    Clicked.

    Leanne

    On Nov 15, 2007 9:05 PM, DeborahAnne MacGillivray
    wrote:
    >
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0821780360/
    >
    > Merrimon did a super review for A Restless Knight…so can I have
    clicks
    > please…….
    >
    > thank you
    >
    > DeborahAnne

    Highland Press Publishing
    http://www.highlandpress.org
    http://www.cafepress.com/highland_press

    Now, if you don’t know any better you think this is a great thing. A great marketing tool. As you can see, DeborahAnne asked for a clicky, and Leanne did it for her. Many of the clicky requests have 4,5 or 6 hyperlinks underneath. And its not only Amazon we were told to go to. There are other sites where the numbers are played with.

    I’m only responding to this because I wanted to show that these authors who are so called complainers…they really are not. I made a couple of good friends from the LIW loop, nice girls, who were published with HP or submitting to other houses as well. HP seemed like such a nice house.

    During my learning curve, I had the opportunity to pitch my novel to Leanne, and I was very excited when she said she loved the idea and wanted to see my work right away. I sent it off, hoping for the best.

    8 months went by…and there was no word. I thought that maybe my work hadn’t got there. You’re mind plays tricks on you. So I emailed Leanne and asked if she could just let me know if my work had arrived.

    She didn’t respond.

    A few months later another publisher showed real interest in my work. I thought it right that I email Leanne and let her know. Since she loved my work, I wanted to give her the first shot. I asked if she could let me know if she was interested, because if not, I would pursue other options. I thought that certainly she would have to answer this time. It would be a yes or no, but I would get something.

    Silly me. Of course she didn’t reply.

    And then there was real problems going on at the HP Loops—the loop for published HP authors. I was not privy to those emails, but because I had a couple of friends, I was able to view some. I was shocked. They were NASTY, upsetting, defeating, horrible. If it were me they were attacking like that…and I had to defend myself, well, I would have taken a valium, shut of the computer and went to bed. And I wouldnt have turned the computer back on either. These new authors were in PAIN. They were being tormented, and there was nothing anyone could do. DeborahAnne kept them all in place, and Leanne…just allowed her to do so.

    One of my friends still can’t openly talk about all of this, even to me. She is scared. She’s afraid I think that it will all come back to haunt her. Another one has cried over lost money and royalites, stern letters from Leanne, and nasty emails from DeborahAnne. But she pulled up her bootstraps and moved on. And she’s doing well.

    And as for the LIW loop—the wonderful loop where I thought I would be helped and nurtured along…it is now a shrine to DeborahAnne. Once in a while I will go on, I suppose, for amusement. You can view DEBORAH’S THOUGHTS ABOUT HERSELF…WHERE TO GO FOR HER WONDERFUL REVIEWS…READ WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE HER (AND WOULDNT WE ALL LIKE TO BE)…AND WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE WITH A REAL NYC PUBLISHER! And then there’s the regular stuff…I dont feel well, I can’t sleep, I’m panicked or my foot hurts.

    Aspiring authors shouldn’t be subjected to this and published authors shouldnt be either. All we want is our book published, fair and square. And actually, I now realize I was one of the lucky ones. I didnt get a contract, and boy am I lucky! If I was offered one now for triple the money, I would say no, because of the hell the other writers have gone through. Many of the HP Family has been treated very shabbily. And they are really STUCK in this SLIME BUCKET. And I am sorry to say, the s*** is hitting the fan.

    I dont wish anyone any ill will. I really don’t. For those who aren’t sure about this…or wonder, are they making it all up…you’ll see when all the information comes out. My lap top makes for very interesting reading–but I never thought any of this would come out. If only we could put it in fiction form…we could call it The Clickies Club!

    Often I’ve stared at Editors and Preditors and thought…Should I tell them the truth?

    And YouMissedBigPicture…you are kidding, aren’t you? I don’t have a book coming out–I wish I did—but this is not a publicity stunt. I have thousands of posts I could have sent, but I tried to choose a fair one.

    BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, ARE THERE ANY NICE AUTHOR E MAIL LOOPS out there, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW…CARING?

  61. Just A Reader
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:28:11

    Just some points I’d like to touch on as a reader – and by the way, my name is Kim and I live in Louisville, Ky. I posted what I basically consider anon, just because I’m speaking out as a reader in such auspicious company, and it didn’t occur to me that anyone would care to put names – that won’t ring any bells anyway – to the opinions:P And I’m not saying that they need to; It’s enough to know readers are being heard and accounted for on this issue, and I’m totally appreciating the fact that the writers & publishing people represented here care so much about us and our opinions:)

    #1. As to Debbie McDoofus’ assertions that the large publishing houses treat their writers the same way she chooses to: IMO, what a lovely excuse for being such a beast herself. I only hope nobody is actually buying into it. I’d like to think she’s being treated this way. She deserves it. Well, actually, I think what she really deserves is to not be published at all.

    #2. Regarding I'm Not Telling II’s comments: Perhaps if you’d pull that HP feedbag off of your puss for about 5 seconds, you’d be able to see the “big picture” you keep bleating about. It looks to me like Ms. MacGillivray herself is pure poison, and everything she touches is being contaminated with it. If HP is so thoroughly corrupted by the venom dripping from her fangs, it needs to be left to fester in the same lonely place she’s going to eventually find herself confined to. And I’d say preferably before too many other unsuspecting writers end up drowning in the muck, and we the readers lose their voices before we’re ever allowed to hear them. You personally, if you’re a writer and you’re happy there, I’m happy for you. Wallow in it. The same thing goes for her enabling pal Leanne Burroughs. If she’s going to hold her buddy’s coat while she makes an utter ass out of herself, she can share in her fate as well.

    And #3. The first rule of business that probably isn’t officially written down anywhere, but really should be, is don’t s#!@ where you eat. If DM didn’t know that going in, that’s just too bad for her. She can learn it the hard way. She dumped on just a few too many people, and she’s going to have to suffer the consequences. I don’t even know that just keeping her crap a little more selective, and confined to either writers or readers, would have helped either. At most, it may have only succeeded in taking her a little longer to establish herself as an official pariah. What I do know is that there is no containing this any longer, and anybody trying to jam the lid back on the pot at this stage is going to get their fingers burned. In fact, I’d suggest dropping your anti-bacterial oven mitts and getting the hell out of the kitchen pronto. It’s getting ready to blow:P

  62. DS
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:32:32

    You Missed Big Picture– you are not very good at disinformation. Thought I should tell you that.

  63. Rebecca Goings
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:33:19

    BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, ARE THERE ANY NICE AUTHOR E MAIL LOOPS out there, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW…CARING?

    TheQuietOne: Yes! Yes, yes, yes. Of my three ePublishers, Samhain Publishing, Champagne Books, and Cobblestone Press, every single one of their author loops are caring and supportive, and nary an f-bomb in sight.

    I’ve been published at less-than-stellar ePubs, let me tell you. While that experience was horrible, it taught me not to take shite from anyone. I used to sit down and take it, but I was a newbie then, afraid of making waves. No one had heard of me. They really *could* ruin my career!

    But I got over that, made a few friends, and started to find companies that took care of their own. If you know what to look for in a publisher, you can traverse the “mine field” of who’s good and who’s not.

    Oh, and I’m totally using this opportunity to plug Samhain, Champagne, and Cobblestone, btw, just so there’s no confusion. LOL

    ~~Becka

  64. Lorelie
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:54:03

    The emails to me definitely intimated how wrong I was (if it WAS me) to participate here, to comment. Well, nobody bullies me. I hope those who are trying to get a foothold in a publishing career realize these kind of people can't ruin a career, can't blackball, can't stop you if you have the talent and determination to write.

    I’m sorry if someone’s addressed this alread (at work, unfortunately can’t watch the 200+ comment trainwreck) but can I just point out the lack of logic inherent in this? While we all know Nora is too classy to even attempt low-ball tactics, these emails were presumably sent by a person who does believe black-balling is possible. So really, is La Nora an author you want to piss off?

  65. D
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:56:24

    As another reassurance about how REAL publishers (e- or traditional) treat their writers… I’m contracted with Harlequin. I don’t even have a book out yet, but my editor certainly treats me as an equal. She recently requested some changes to a manuscript, and I was happily complying when I noticed a problem. If I made the change she wanted, I worried it would push my heroine into Too Stupid To Live territory. I wrote to my editor, a woman who’s been doing this for years. A woman who knows far more about the industry than I ever will. And her response? “You’re right. Great catch! Leave it your way.”

    Just a small thing, one of our many interactions. But the reason it was a small thing is because we both behaved like real-live human beings! No monsters allowed. Only grown-ups need apply.

  66. Denise
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:01:15

    That cover won something? Based on the vote percentage compared to the previous month’s nominee, I’d say that’s suspect. Plus, ugh. I winced for the author when I saw that cover. It looks like someone hanged the poor guy.

  67. Ann Aguirre
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:25:51

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    I’m with Ace / Roc (both imprints of Penguin) and I couldn’t be happier. I have an excellent working relationship with my editor. I’m asked for feedback on marketing ideas, titles, and even cover art input. Everyone has been professional and courteous. If I have questions, they’re addressed with what I consider amazing promptness.

    Don’t believe in that party line. Walk away and do better. Sometimes it’s hard to keep faith in yourself in this business, but if you want it bad enough, don’t give up. The best revenge against your detractors is personal success.

  68. booksnchocolate
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:27:41

    I’m usually just a lurker but I can’t help stepping in. I’m an avid reader who lives in a non English speaking country, which means that I can’t go to a book store to get my fill of books or recommendations about new books or authors.
    Until recently I relied on amazon and readers reviews to pick new authors. That’s what led me to order The Invasion of Falgannon Isles by Ms MacGillivray. With so many five stars reviews I couldn’t go wrong could I? All through the book I wondered what I was missing. Because to me it didn’t even deserve a two star review. Thinking that I might have missed something I checked reviews and comments on her other books. And I was stupid/naive enough to be willing to give this author another shot. That’s how I discovered that negative reviews were being deleted. I left a comment, not daring to take the pain to write a full review (English not being my native language) just to see it deleted. But I was far from imagining that the author herself was behind it all.

    This just brings a comment: Ms MacGillivray must really have very little faith in her own work and writing skills to behave that way …

    I know nothing about the publishing world and reading all these posts left me speechless. I hate to have contributed to feeding Ms MacGillivray’s cat but I can only imagine how authors who play by the rules must feel. I’m glad this is coming out in the open.

    stef

  69. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:33:18

    Just a Reader (Kim) and all the other readers out there: I read your post and applauded, but at the same time, was a little bothered by the self-deprecation and the “I’m just a reader” attitude. Don’t y’all get it? Sure, writing’s a primarily solitary pursuit and the majority of us do it because we have to and we love it (certainly not for the fame and fortune *g*). But ultimately, we’re storytellers and we’re looking to share our stories. And as published authors, we depend on readers. (If I want blind compliments, I’ll print my stuff at Kinko’s and send it to my Mom.) Personally, I love when something I’ve written touches someone I’ve never met before to the point where they take time and let me know how it touched them. It’s something that’s very humbling, but admittedly, there can be a lot of power in that feeling as well.

    It’s when that power becomes distorted and mangled, and pure ego takes over, that it devolves into the kind of ugliness we’ve been seeing. Where someone can be so desperate for approbation they resort to manipulation and bullying and are frankly afraid to allow the chips to fall where they may.

    Sure, every time I put a piece of my work out there I’m terrified that no one’s going to like it. But that’s the risk we all take. So readers, have at it, you know?

  70. On My Mind
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:37:41

    To those who were on the Kensington and Dorchester author loops and left because of DAM………..

    Do you know if her editors at both houses have gotten wind of what’s going on here? I sure hope so.

  71. Ann Aguirre
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:44:52

    Barb, I agree with you. Readers are crucial, as it’s a symbiotic relationship. I can’t get into the whole ego thing because without readers, I’d just be typing stuff on my computer, making my kids wonder why I never do anything fun.

    Taking a tangent from what you said about the “power” aspect…

    I have to say, I don’t get it. All this to-do over bad reviews on Amazon? It’s weird. (I’m not saying I don’t understand HP authors being upset over being verbally abused, bullied and unpaid. That’s totally comprehensible.)

    Reading is subjective. People may share similar reading tastes, but when it comes down to one particular book, one person might love it, and the other finds it unreadable. Beyond certain grammatical issues, there’s no absolute. Nobody can say, unilaterally, “Everyone will love this book.” Really all you can say is, “I loved this book soo much that I hope everyone will read it and give me their opinions.”

    Addendum to those who are sniping at authors for posting about their troubles, but not taking legal action:

    As someone who’s been through an epub crash back in the very early days, I saw the writing on the wall. No amount of time or money was going to get my royalties (or my back pay!) out of that mess, so I walked away. Sometimes it’s better to cut your losses.

  72. Nora Roberts
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:48:19

    ~(certainly not for the fame and fortune *g*).~

    Speak for yourself.

    Okay, kidding. Everything Barbara said is dead on.

    Writers, readers, publishers, editors, agents, booksellers, librarians–and all the rest who work in publishing. All of us need each other.

    Have I seen some readers get crazy, vindictive, abusive to authors and other readers? Sure. But it’s not readers, authors. It’s PEOPLE. And there are some people who, when given the slightest success or what they perceive as power, go nuts on it.

    My theory is someone like this has always been like this. It’s the forum that brings it out in the open, and can increase the ego, the abusive tendancies and the bully factor.

    Speaking out, standing up, diminishes that illusion of power.

    And to YMTBP? I don’t see any picture at all. I think you’re out of focus

  73. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:51:32

    re the poster who thinks this is all some conspiracy to benefit a rotating list of small pubs: at this point you’ve got to see how untenable that logic is. Alison Kent and Alyssa Day have both said they withdrew from the Kensington and Dorchester loops (respectively) because of DAM. I suppose they could be lying, but why not do that anonymously to protect their careers? Plus I’ve seen the tactics of DAM first hand on Amazon (and evidence of their removal — most telling). Had someone been impersonating her, wouldn’t she have protested? Karen Scott has posted numerous examples of DAM’s self-proclaimed role as “co-publisher” for HP, despite the fact that she told RWA otherwise.

    NO ONE but DAM has created this mess, and it only shocks the hell out of me that it’s taken so long to come to light. But there are people who, for whatever reason, can assert a tone of authority and leverage relationships and connections in such a way as to make people believe they have more power than they do. In a completely amateur psychologist’s fashion, I wonder if that’s what has happened here. I’ve seen DAM’s website, read her bio (which carries the exact same tone as those dam[ning] comments on Amazon (although her “author links” page is pretty interesting, in an eyebrow raising way), and marveled at how incredibly consistent the complaints about her are across different venues. I don’t know or care why she’s done what she’s done, whether it’s arrogance or something I would need an entirely different degree to name, or just plain meanness (although I totally agree with those who recognize a ruthlessly organized pattern of suppression in the reports of her words and actions). All I know is that what I’ve seen with my own eyes is all sorts of ugly, flailing against everything I love and respect about this genre, about readers, reviews, and books. And that’s enough for me to think it’s time someone declared publicly that it’s NOT OKAY.

    To Alyssa Day and Barb Ferrer: Here is evidence that DAM represented herself and has been publicly represented as HP editor and co-publisher. Or you can simply Google her name + co-publisher and hit the “cached” button for every page. I’m not exactly sure how RWA could ignore all that. She’s listed as the one who designed the artwork for their website, too, as well as one of two people who maintains the HP site. And supposedly she’s cover artist (in addition to being LB’s critique partner), too. On the most superficial level, she seems to have a very deep and broad involvement in HP, far beyond that of the typical author.

  74. Alyssa Day
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:58:33

    To Alyssa Day and Barb Ferrer: Here is evidence that DAM represented herself and has been publicly represented as HP editor and co-publisher. Or you can simply Google her name + co-publisher and hit the “cached” button for every page

    Thank you, Robin; I appreciate the links. Apparently she informed RWA that she *had* been involved with the publisher in some capacity in the past, but not after 2006. There is a legal principle, however, that when you represent yourself as an agent (not literary agent, but business agent or representative), and the entity for which you’re representing yourself as an agent lets you do it, you may well assume liability as an agent. (This is not legal advice, I’m not licensed in any state in which you may be reading this, etc. etc.) So Ms. MacGillivray’s actions on the HP author loops may come back to haunt her.

    Now I find that I’m going to be fascinated to read my amazon reviews and see how hard I get blasted in the next few days. A friend forwarded a list of aliases under which the clickies gang is suspected of posting. The plot just keeps thickening . . .

  75. Gennita Low
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:00:02

    Please big NY authors out there… Give me and the other small authors hope. Please tell us the big publishers don't treat their authors this way!!

    While I’m not big (I’m a short little thing…115lbs…), I wrote for AVON and am now published with MIRA, which is part of Harlequin. Both publishers have always been courteous and PROFESSIONAL to me. I’ve also enjoyed socially talking to many other editors at different publishing houses. Everyone has always been gracious, even if they were in a hurry. I’ve never experienced any situation where I was told I shouldn’t ask questions.

    **********

    As for what Jane says…yes, there are definitely times when a published author has to weigh in what to say on a public forum. Email repercussions…yeah, been through that (I just love being scolded by strangers). Sudden appearances of malicious internet cartoons, with anonymouses sending me links to them…yup, that too. I like that term “internet terrorism.”

    Sometimes, however, I feel that I have to say something, especially in a case like this where it seems to me, there are many who are unable to speak out, to say that this is not the normal way to do business.

  76. Miranda Heart
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:00:12

    You’d think if they didnt’ want bad reviews they wouldn’t write bad books. Not everyone is going to like everything. You’d think a publisher would realize that far more than an author would. Maybe the publisher needs to start looking at what it’s accepting.

  77. Alyssa Day
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:02:59

    Alison Kent and Alyssa Day have both said they withdrew from the Kensington and Dorchester loops (respectively) because of DAM. I suppose they could be lying,

    Oh, and I’m not lying. :)

  78. Rebecca Goings
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:08:05

    Now I find that I'm going to be fascinated to read my amazon reviews and see how hard I get blasted in the next few days.

    I checked my Amazon status, and I have “0 out of 3 people found this review helpful” on a good review for my best-selling book that wasn’t there before. Pretty pathetic smear campaign, if that’s what they’re going for. LOL Maybe they’re running out of steam.

    ~~Becka

  79. Just A Reader
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:09:09

    To Barb – no, we get it.
    Maybe sometimes we like to think of you guys sitting in quiet rooms somewhere and banging out the stories, and we don’t want to disturb you. From what I’ve read, many of you had a lot on your plates without even having to consider the reader’s side of this whole situation.
    Or it could just be the glaring contrast between where all of this started for me and where it is right now. The first thing I saw was an author chastising a reader for “not getting it”. Yeah, I was appalled, but that doesn’t make it any less a breath of fresh air to come face to face with the fact that the vast majority of writers find it just as appalling as I do. To know on top of it that so many of you have been wrestling with some pretty appalling issues of your own in regard to this hideous person, almost makes me feel as though the readers got off easy. I’m feeling rather warm & fuzzy at the moment really.
    Like Gerry Butler just called and thanked me for foaming over his abs when I saw 300:P

  80. Gennita Low
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:09:37

    Oh, shoot. I’m not sure whether I’m ready for clickie attacks. LOL. Can I have that list too, Alyssa?

  81. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:09:57

    Apparently she informed RWA that she *had* been involved with the publisher in some capacity in the past, but not after 2006.

    So if it’s no big secret, why delete the information from various sites?

    And the concept in Agency Law to which you’re referring is called “apparent authority.” For those who are unfamiliar with the principles of Agency Law, it’s where someone acts as an agent and the principal (person who is being represented) does nothing to contradict that representation. And yes, generally speaking, that can absolutely create liability in the “agent” and in the principal (this is not to be construed as legal advice, however). The idea is that the agent is holding him or herself out with the permission of the principal, even if that permission is not explicitly granted.

  82. Denise A
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:28:32

    I truly beleive DAM and her minions have dug themselves a whole they will never get out of. I can’t believe they would even attempt to launch an anonymous smear campaign against any author speaking out against them….But, I just remembered, we are dealing with idiotic like minded simpletons who have no common sense.

  83. Keishon
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:30:06

    I checked my Amazon status, and I have “0 out of 3 people found this review helpful” on a good review for my best-selling book that wasn't there before. Pretty pathetic smear campaign, if that's what they're going for. LOL Maybe they're running out of steam.

    ~~Becka

    Hey, if they’re doing that – they need to get a life. For real.

  84. Keishon
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:37:47

    [subscribing]

    I have nothing more to add but I will continue to read this thread. Peace.

  85. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:46:27

    Bingo-Ginger released a book through Eternal Press. This is a publicity stunt for Eternal Press.

    Shoot, if these whole thing is nothing but a publicity stunt, is there a place where interested authors can get some info? You know a sign-up sheet, like I want to go pick on this author today and that press tomorrow…is it a pay-per-performance pricing or a flat fee?

    :o| *rolling my eyes*

    Seriously, that it could even be believed that this is nothing more than a publicity stunt is unreal.

    It’s actually kind of sad that anybody can believe this is nothing more than a publicity stunt, though. It’s like a willing blindness, refusing to see what’s right in front of you just because you don’t like it. Plus, forewarned is forearmed. Refusing to believe this has happening and is happening means you’re vulnerable to it coming down on you.

    However, I really don’t think anybody *believes* it’s publicity stunt-more like they are trying to do some sort of weird damage control or make it looks like nothing wrong has been done and they hope these random comments might sway people into believing it.

    It’s not going to work and the only sort of damage control that would make a lick of difference, IMO, would be one huge, groveling, sincere apology to the offended parties, the authors who’ve been maligned and the readers who’ve been duped with the Amazon bit.

  86. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 12:46:49

    ~(certainly not for the fame and fortune *g*).~

    Speak for yourself.

    *SNORT* Nora, you know I say this with the greatest amount of respect possible:

    PBBBBBBLLLLTTTTTT

    Like I’d turn down the fame and fortune if it came up and bit me on the ass. *g* However, if that was the sole reason I got into publishing, you’d do well to fit me for a rubber room and one of those stylish jackets with the extra-long sleeves and charming metal hardware.

    Maybe sometimes we like to think of you guys sitting in quiet rooms somewhere and banging out the stories, and we don't want to disturb you.

    God love you, Kim-’ *g* I’m not sure I’d know what to do if I had a quiet room.

    And Gerry Butler… mmmm…

  87. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:00:13

    It's actually kind of sad that anybody can believe this is nothing more than a publicity stunt, though. It's like a willing blindness, refusing to see what's right in front of you just because you don't like it. Plus, forewarned is forearmed. Refusing to believe this has happening and is happening means you're vulnerable to it coming down on you.

    I do have to wonder, though, how many authors still aren’t “convinced” of what’s going on. I’ve been getting increasingly frustrated, for example, reading Lori Foster’s comments on the RT board. Now I know nothing of Foster outside her books except that she has a reputation for being a nice person, but I keep thinking, ‘what’s it going to take for you to be convinced?’ I mean, the emails posted here aren’t enough? The “messages” Nora Roberts, of all people, is receiving? The testimony of a named author that DAM posted that clickie crap on the freakin’ Dorchester loop? The cached example of DAM’s response to Reba on Amazon? I’m generally pretty cautious about taking people’s word for something, but I’ve seen stuff with my own eyes that shoots WAY over the line, and even if I discount 50% of stuff other people have said there’s still plenty of evidence that something NOT GOOD is going on here, and that if affects readers and authors alike.

  88. WhoaNelly
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:16:57

    To TheQuietOne: I can so relate to your take on this situation.

    Being a total writing newb myself at the time I came into HP (and yes, I did consider other small presses for my work), I had no idea either that DM’s behavior was the norm, the clickies, any of it. Yes, we are told all the time how grateful we should be. Yes, we’re yelled at over the most ridiculous things via emails and Yahoo groups. Everything UNhappy HP authors have been saying here and elsewhere across the net is very true.

    Wanted to thank everyone for all the helpful and supportive posts here. Reading all this has been even more eye opening than when I’d decided not to give HP any further work. I think I know what I should do now.

  89. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:25:51

    I've been getting increasingly frustrated, for example, reading Lori Foster's comments on the RT board. Now I know nothing of Foster outside her books except that she has a reputation for being a nice person, but I keep thinking, ‘what's it going to take for you to be convinced?'

    I can’t comment one way or the other about the RT board, other than to say, yeah, Lori is a very nice person.

    The thing is-there’s plenty of information here for people to make an informed decision. If somebody decides the commentary from those affected by this isn’t ‘enough’ to be suspect, that’s the choice of that individual. But the information IS here and in a place where it can’t be deleted.

  90. Oh the Dwamah
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:35:59

    Re: Lori Foster

    As a long time reader of RT forum, I have noticed that Ms. Foster has always been quick to take the author’s side in any Author/Reader disagreement on the board. Probably due to the experiences that she describes in that thread. Her current response does not surprise me.

  91. stephanie feagan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:38:32

    If I want blind compliments, I'll print my stuff at Kinko's and send it to my Mom.

    Barb, can I send my stuff to your mom? :) Mine doesn’t read romance. Or any genre fiction. Sad, but true – I have no one who’ll read my work and tell me I’m brilliant. My husband would, if I wrote for Golf magazine. My daughters would, if I published my books on Facebook.

    Hm, now there’s a thought…

    It’s a privilege and (sometimes) a joy to serve on the board of RWA. The downside is, I can never get into it when these kind of things come up. I have to be Switzerland.

    So carry on. I’ll sit here in the Alps and eat chocolate and watch from the sidelines.

    Stef (another one)

  92. Karen Scott
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:40:16

    Robin, I think this comment from Lori tells you all you need to know about where she stands on this issue:

    That was my first lesson that some readers are in a love/hate relationship with authors and they’re anxiously waiting for a chance to pounce.

    Because she’s been burnt by readers before, she tends to view these online skirmishes as further proof that some readers are generally out to get authors.

    Having seen her response in the face of such overwhelming evidence of wrong doing, I can see why some of the authors at HP kept quiet, after all, if your own peers are doubting your word, what hope is there?

    I’m guessing that that’s how Deb MacEffup got away with terrorising the people she should have been looking after.

  93. On My Mind
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:41:47

    For Denise #267

    Don’t wince for the author. She is DAM and Leanne’s lackey. The one with the foul mouth. The one who made an internet threat to several HP authors last year. But I totally agree. I really thought he looked constipated. But I like your description better, lol. He does look like he’s being hanged.

  94. Shiloh Walker
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:43:11

    Because she's been burnt by readers before, she tends to view these online skirmishes as further proof that some readers are generally out to get authors.

    I don’t think that’s Lori’s mindset, Karen~I can’t speak for her, but I’d imagine she is probably going to try and look on the positive side and just hope that authors wouldn’t stoop to the rigging reviews crap.

  95. Karen Templeton
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:52:06

    I’ve been with Harlequin for more than ten years, worked with six different editors (although I’ve been with my main editor that entire time). Although nobody survives a publishing career for this long without a few bumps along the way, everyone at Harlequin has always treated me like a professional — even when I was so new I’d never even heard of RWA!

    As for the click-thing — what am I missing here? Whether reviews themselves — positive or negative — really influence sales is already questionable. I can’t imagine those yay or nay clicks have any impact whatsoever. After all, what makes a review “helpful” has far less to do with the review and far more to do with whatever a reader is looking for in a review, so basically they mean squat. And anyway, who the heck even notices those things? Certainly not me.

    Weird.

  96. CobblestoneNaySayer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 13:56:03

    I never post without showing my name, but screw it…

    Please do NOT put Cobblestone on an even footing with Samhain. I neither write nor work with/for either. But I saw some of the godawful nonsense CP pulled over the past year and a half. They will be treated to a scandal EXACTLY like this one within another year. They’ve lied, threatened, and absolutely terrorized some really good people. And they may be the only people on earth to actually attack The Romance Divas.

    I mean, WTF??

    As for HP– never heard of them before this. But like the other poster (sorry, can’t find it) who mentioned it… I am really curious about the seemingly constant connections to Kensington and Dorchester. What is that all about?

    Neither of whom, btw, has ever really answered the Cassie Edwards issue AT ALL.

    I’m not a writer, but I was a reviewer for a while. I got paid very little but liked doing it. I’m suddenly not missing it.

  97. Rebecca Goings
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 14:07:29

    Please do NOT put Cobblestone on an even footing with Samhain. I neither write nor work with/for either. But I saw some of the godawful nonsense CP pulled over the past year and a half. They will be treated to a scandal EXACTLY like this one within another year. They've lied, threatened, and absolutely terrorized some really good people. And they may be the only people on earth to actually attack The Romance Divas.

    Huh. Never heard of this scandal. Not saying that it doesn’t exist, but that I never heard of this. My personal experience with Cobblestone has been an excellent one. There’s no drama on their boards, no one’s disgruntled (that I know of – you can correct me if I’m wrong), and in general, the authors I yak at seem to love the place.

    ~~Becka

  98. Meagan Hatfield
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:06:51

    Okay, I am a burned HP Author who was kicked off the loop for calling Deborah MacGillivray a “Pit Bull” *smiling* I thought the term fit her nicely. I’ve also left a couple Anon Author posts here as well.

    Anyway, I posted the links about this entire fiasco over at one of my loops.

    Not a few minutes later, and the “Stalker Pit Bull” forwarded the e-mail to my CP. See? This chick is scary!!! So, now that I outed myself, I hope the romance author/reader posse will have my back. If I go missing, inform the police who the prime suspect should be.

    From: Deborah Macgillivray
    Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 2:35 PM
    Subject: Fw: [theromanceroom] Interesting reading is putting it lightly…
    To: Kristi Ahlers

    you darling friend left me a message…[image: Winking smile emoticon]

    *From:* Meagan Hatfield
    *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:21 PM
    *To:* theromanceroom@yahoogroups.com
    *Subject:* [theromanceroom] Interesting reading is putting it lightly…

    This has been going on for the past couple days and I thought if you
    didn’t know about it, you should.

    http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2008/04/07/highland-press-warnings/

    http://www.amazon.com/tag/romance/forum/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForu
    m=FxM42D5QN2YZ1D&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx1GBYID02K3VTS

    http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=1114

    Meagan

  99. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:23:50

    Barb, can I send my stuff to your mom? :) Mine doesn't read romance. Or any genre fiction. Sad, but true – I have no one who'll read my work and tell me I'm brilliant. My husband would, if I wrote for Golf magazine.

    Only if you want her to also frame and hang anything that doesn’t move and display it in the living room. No lie, she used to do that with every ribbon I won for (really bad) poetry from the Dade County Youth Fair for years until I made her take them down (nearly thirty years after the fact). Of course, she’s now replaced it with a framed copy of the poster from my first B&N signing. :)

    And my husband, God love him, reads my stuff, but it took a long time before I’d let him, because I always knew he’d be brutally honest. I’d still rather he read them without my knowledge, like any other reader. So what does the crazy man do? Sits and reads one of my books while we’re on a five hour cross-country flight and I’m trapped with nowhere to go. *headdesk*

  100. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:28:20

    Having seen her response in the face of such overwhelming evidence of wrong doing, I can see why some of the authors at HP kept quiet, after all, if your own peers are doubting your word, what hope is there?

    I'm guessing that that's how Deb MacEffup got away with terrorising the people she should have been looking after.

    Yeah, I mean, look what happened during Savage Gate. It’s so weird that Foster would cast this as a reader v. author thing when there’s so much evidence *by authors* of the clickies thing. Although I’m still baffled as to why RWA is still allowing HP to solicit authors at its conferences. Didn’t someone in this thread indicate that they’ve got a very thick file of evidence provided by various sources? Wouldn’t that at least pop some red flags?

  101. Ann Aguirre
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:32:28

    My husband would, if I wrote for Golf magazine.

    I’m not sure whether I’d rather have your problem or mine. My husband predicts what I’ll write. After reading the first in a series, he starts telling me what’s going to happen in the next book. He’s not always wrong either, which sucks. To quote him, “I just know how you think, honey.” Sigh.

  102. stephanie feagan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:33:22

    LOL, Barb! Well, you do have a bit o’ bribery in your favor. I’d have no qualms – “Dis this book and no nookie for you!”

    I kid. Why would I cut off my nose to spite my face? (Any subliminal messages are purely imagination.)

    I think it’s awesome that he reads your books. Mine made noises like he would, but he never did. Not even after one of them won an award. Maybe if I wrote about golf…a babe from Hooters who plays golf?

    Nah – he still wouldn’t read it.

    And your mom rocks my world. I mean, really, all moms should be obnoxious about their babies. I am. On my refrigerator, I still have a crayon drawing of our family that my daughter did in kindergarten. She’s 21 now.

    ETA: Point taken, Ann. That’s gotta be a little weird! Then again, how lovely for someone to know you so well. I always suspect Mike would keel over in a faint if he really had a clue what I’m writing in here. Bless his heart.

  103. In The Interest of Truth and Fairness
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 15:54:28

    CobblestoneNaysayer wrote:

    I never post without showing my name, but screw it…

    Please do NOT put Cobblestone on an even footing with Samhain. I neither write nor work with/for either. But I saw some of the godawful nonsense CP pulled over the past year and a half. They will be treated to a scandal EXACTLY like this one within another year. They've lied, threatened, and absolutely terrorized some really good people. And they may be the only people on earth to actually attack The Romance Divas.

    I am aware of this kerfuffle. I note, however, that a good many of the Romance Divas forum regulars publish with Cobblestone and have continued to do so after this incident went down. Probably because Cobblestone pays royalties in a timely fashion (monthly!), edits their books, and encourages their authors to submit their work to other publishers (that is, they don’t imply you’re lucky to be published with them and have no prayer of being published elsewhere).

    As for the Romance Divas, I have no quarrel with them whatsoever. That said, it’s hardly as if NO ONE has ever had a run-in with their members before. How about this one for starters: http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2007/03/27/its-a-trainwreck-and-i-cant-look-away/.

  104. Volsfan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 16:02:30

    Deborah MacGillivray has alot of awards listed on her site. Knowing all we know, I wonder how many of these have been manipulated by clicks? That would be very serious, because it would cheat other writers who legitimately followed the rules and possibly should have won would have lost out. That reeks of fraud to me. Is there a cost to entry in these? I hope anyone who has run a contest or given this woman an award will take a look at whether this was compromised. Entry fees should be refunded (if there was one) and the award should be taken back, just like it is when an athlete takes steriods and tampers with the outcome of a contest. If anyone knows anyone with these contests, I hope they will contact them. Here are the ones she lists on her site – Laurie Award Winner 2006,CAPA Award Finalist 2007, PEARL Nominee 2006, More than Magic Winner 2007, RIO Award Winner 2006, NOR Award Nominee, Best Historical Romance 2007, Romantic Times KISS Award August 2007

  105. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 16:16:50

    My husband predicts what I'll write. After reading the first in a series, he starts telling me what's going to happen in the next book. He's not always wrong either, which sucks. To quote him, “I just know how you think, honey.” Sigh.

    Ha! Oh Ann… that’s too funny! The one time I allowed my husband to read anything that was in progress, he came in, all excited after reading a chapter and said, “So what are we doing next?”

    I just looked at him and said “What is this WE you speak of, Kemo Sabe”

    I mean, really, all moms should be obnoxious about their babies. I am. On my refrigerator, I still have a crayon drawing of our family that my daughter did in kindergarten. She's 21 now.

    So it’s NOT just Cuban mothers? Okay. Because seriously, I had to argue with the woman to finally take down my First Communion portrait (which was appropriately large and appropriately framed in something large and gold and gaudy). I was thirty-five when she finally did.

    (ETA: That’s only because she’s replaced with pictures of MY kids…)

  106. Zoe Archer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 16:34:06

    The one time I allowed my husband to read anything that was in progress, he came in, all excited after reading a chapter and said, “So what are we doing next?”

    I just looked at him and said “What is this WE you speak of, Kemo Sabe”

    If I didn’t have my husband’s input (he’s also a writer), there’s a high degree of likelihood that my characters would stand around and say, “So…what do you want to do next?” “Uh, I don’t know. What about you?”

    A lot like “Waiting For Godot,” but without the powerful existential allegory.

  107. Jackie Barbosa
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:00:02

    Is anyone else just amazed that these people have so much spare time on their hands, they can actually find all the reviews in Amazon to manipulate, not to mention to write long, meandering responses to negative reviews or to otherwise attempt to “manipulate” their reputations this manner? How do they write BOOKS when they’re doing all this stuff?

    Seriously, the mind boggles…

  108. I Never Delete Anything
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:03:11

    This is disturbing, but I put Reba’s name in my email search, and some very interesting things came up. There’s so much, but this was particularly scary. Especially the bottom.

    From: The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of DeborahAnneMacGillivray

    Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:58 PM
    To: The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [The_Ladies_in_Waiting]vote down this bitch please

    HYPERLINK
    “http://www.amazon.com/tag/romance/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir/104-4730808-1
    059121?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxM42D5QN2YZ1D&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx1KTAKNGJY
    4AJ8&displayType=tagsDetail&newContentID=MxEFXWGIMKK03C#MxEFXWGIMKK03C”http:
    //www.amazon.com/tag/romance/forum/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir/104-4730808-1059121
    ?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=FxM42D5QN2YZ1D&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx1KTAKNGJY4AJ8&d
    isplayType=tagsDetail&newContentID=MxEFXWGIMKK03C#MxEFXWGIMKK03C

    vote no, on this and vote abuse.

    “Reba Belle says:
    When I saw this I had to see what bad books folks were reading and make
    sure
    I didn’t have any of them in my stack of books to read! LOL LOL
    But, when I saw the post about authors acting childish when you post a
    badreview, I had to write! No kidding. My little fingers were itching to
    writethis story. LOL
    I have a review “out there” for In Her Bed, author is Deborah something
    or other.
    Anyway, I reviewed that book and gave it positive points, but stated my
    reasons for giving it 3 stars. Frankly, I thought that was
    overgenerous…
    She keeps having my review taken down and Amazon keeps putting it back
    up (as is).
    I think its sad for her that most of the reviews for that book are by
    fellow authors and what appear to be clones (because they have read the samebooks).
    That’s c l o n e s not c l o w n s. LOL
    Really that book was far from 5 star material and to hear the rave
    reviews written about it you would think it would be up for the next “Great American Novel Award.” wholly smokes! LOL LOL LOL LOL
    A great man once said, “Anybody who is great at anything does it for
    their own approval, not someone elses.”

    Reba

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    2c. Re: vote down this bitch please
    Posted by: “DeborahAnne MacGillivray”
    writer@DeborahMacGIllivray.co.uk scotladywriter
    Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))
    Well, thanks to XXXXXX our PI , we now have her name, her husband’s
    name, her chidrens’ names, her grannies and great grannies name. Her
    address phone number and email

    lol…quite interesting.

  109. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:08:31

    To “I Never Delete Anything”: scary is an understatement.

    I think we need a Savage Gate – type document in which to compile and organize all this stuff.

  110. Meagan Hatfield
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:16:47

    Head’s Up!

    I’ve been threatened with a lawyer. See? This is the exact behavior current and ex-hp authors are talking about and protesting…and the reason I was posting anon, as I am being stalked, harrassed and threatened.

    And I love that she is arguing with me on a loop, but won’t come over here and answer to her fellow writers and readers.

    Her reply to me posting the links on a loop:

    — In Deborah Macgillivray wrote:
    >
    > But, Meagan,
    >
    > they missed the part where I broke up your marriage and forced your to
    go
    > to work, too. Your husband cut your credit cards. My fault again?
    >
    > thanks…interesting reading….a lot of fiction. People enjoy dog
    pile on the
    > rabbit. Lies are ever so much more fun, don’t you think?
    >
    > RWA has another verison on files. This time backed up with truth.
    >
    > Deborah

    My reply to that:

    From: Meagan Hatfield
    Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:51 PM
    To: loop
    Subject: Re: Interesting reading is putting it lightly…

    WOW! I have no idea what the hell you’re babbling about. However, I
    think you should take a little blue pill and take a deep breath. After
    all, I can only imagine how utterly horrible it is to have the entire
    romance industry – from Nora to Alyssa Day – publicly smacking you down,
    readers saying they are going to boycott you and HP…but you brought
    this all upon yourself.

    I mean, that’s not me hounding that poor Amazon reviewer and reader -
    stalking her and her family to the point the FBI got involved, it’s you.
    Those psychotic rantings of a co-publisher, yelling at her authors,
    beings posted on the net, it’s not me either, it’s you. And I am not
    the one who is so frantically going around deleting any evidence I can
    (which is pointless btw because we all have saved e-mails) it’s you.
    Oh, and a hint…it only makes you look guiltier, hon.

    As to RWA, again, you are living in denial-ville. What you need to
    focus on is writing an apology to your writers, your readers and the
    industry in general for being such a selfish hack. You haven’t only
    harmed yourself, you made all authors look bad.

    Until you do, suck it up and deal sweets. Karma is a bitch and she is
    taking you for a well deserved ride. Enjoy it. I know I am. :-)

    Hugs,
    Meagan

    The latest:

    I am not babbling, just quote your old email. Want me to post
    you diaper chewing email, sweetie?

    I don’t have to suck up anything. My Editor Hilary Sares is very
    aware of this situation and said only people with nothing better
    to do plays in this mess.

    As for people commenting on what’s out there, you are reading
    people twisting things and lying. They haven’t heard the otherside.

    But they will when the lawyers get through with it.

    Deborah

    Can you believe her? She says we are twisting her words and lying. WHATVER!

    And actully, my diaper chewing e-mail was funny! I told my friend I had to put one on to get ready for the butt chewing from the “pit bull” LOL!
    Heck! I need a diaper again now…my butts starting to hurt. :-)

  111. Shannon Stacey
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:16:55

    That’s quite beyond the pale. I’ve seen some serious scuffles, but to hunt down the names of a reader’s children because the woman only gave her THREE stars?

    Can you imagine her reaction to being Mrs. Giggled? Genealogical-documentation-bearing assassins running amok in Malaysia?

    Or can you imagine how traumatic it must be to be her editor? Ohmigod, not the winged monkeys! It was only a comma!

  112. Another kick in the guts from e-publishers « The thing is…
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:22:44

    [...] It’s too long to go into here, but it’s very interesting reading.  If you have a couple of hours–seriously, there’s over 300 comments to this post–and want to see a real case of an “Author Behaving Badly”, it can be found on Dear Author. [...]

  113. Nora Roberts
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:35:24

    ~2c. Re: vote down this bitch please
    Posted by: “DeborahAnne MacGillivray”
    writer@DeborahMacGIllivray.co.uk scotladywriter
    Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))
    Well, thanks to XXXXXX our PI , we now have her name, her husband's
    name, her chidrens' names, her grannies and great grannies name. Her
    address phone number and email
    lol…quite interesting.~

    This is absolutely horrifying. There can be no excuse. None. To stalk a reader this way–to stalk anyone this way is far over the border into Crazyville.

    If I were this reader, I’d be calling the cops and a lawyer.

    Clusterfucks happen–it’s the interwebs. Bad behavior happens. It’s human. But this very, very scary stuff.

    Big leap frog over bullying and a four point landing on dangerous.

    Nora

  114. Nora Roberts
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:44:08

    If an editor knew the extent of abuse generated by one of her writers on public forums, against readers and other writers, I’d be very much surprised.

    If an editor knew the extent and shrugged it off, I’d be very much appalled.

  115. Ann Aguirre
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:46:46

    If an editor knew the extent of abuse generated by one of her writers on public forums, against readers and other writers, I'd be very much surprised.

    If an editor knew the extent and shrugged it off, I'd be very much appalled.

    Ditto. The address / phone number stuff crosses over into stalking territory. There’s no reason to have that information unless someone intends to do bad things and/or frighten / intimidate with it.

  116. Bernita
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:47:48

    From: The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DeborahAnneMacGillivray

    Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 7:58 PM
    To: The_Ladies_in_Waiting@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [The_Ladies_in_Waiting] vote down this bitch please

    Seems the poster up thread who described this lot as a “fembot death squad” nailed it.

    Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))
    Well, thanks to XXXXXX our PI , we now have her name, her husband's
    name, her chidrens' names, her grannies and great grannies name. Her
    address phone number and email
    lol…quite interesting.~

    Not only “vote down” but HUNT down.

  117. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:48:33

    If an editor knew the extent of abuse generated by one of her writers on public forums, against readers and other writers, I'd be very much surprised.

    But, don’t ‘ya know, it’s LIES, ALL LIES! That’s why you were getting those encouraging emails and why DAM erased that post to Reba off Amazon as well as editing online bios and why authors are coming forward, named, to corroborate different aspects of this disaster.

  118. I Never Delete Anything
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 17:50:26

    Nora, Robin, and Shannon,

    It is really scary. I’ve got years worth saved. Thats just the tip of the iceberg. I’m sure many others have similiar things. As you can see, I XXX’d out the name of the PI, because I have no way of knowing if what she says is true. And maybe the supposed PI is innocent. I hope Reba is safe. I’m sure she is.

    And Megan—Whoa! She’s calling a lawyer already? Please don’t be worried. There’s nothing more she can do to you. She should “come on over” and read the posts here before she calls. Maybe she should respond to us.

  119. Nora Roberts
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:02:41

    This really isn’t about e-pubs, small presses, or even about writers and readers. It’s plain and simply about internet terrorism.

    Anyone who would do what’s been reported here needs to be stopped.

    Yeah, ‘LIES, ALL LIES!’ may be the refrain, but when someone is arrogant enough, sees themselves as invulnerable and above the rest enough to write it down in e-mails, on public forums, on loops, it’s going to rear up and take a big, nasty bite.

    To brag about hiring a PI to obtain a reader’s personal and family information over a review? Sick, sick, sick–and not at the core about the reader or the review, but about someone’s inflated sense of power and entitlement.

  120. On My Mind
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:03:01

    I don't have to suck up anything. My Editor Hilary Sares is very
    aware of this situation and said only people with nothing better
    to do plays in this mess.

    DAM is still living in lala land. I can’t imagine any NYC editor reading all this, along with the proof in many quotes from emails, and be so nonchallant. As you can see by Meagan’s post #311, DAM is in big time denial. I just want to know who she is going to sue. The entire romance industry? All the authors, who are now or used to be with Highland Press, have to do is show the proof in her emails. The written word doesn’t lie. But the person who wrote those nasty emails sure does.

  121. Gennita Low
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:08:10

    (Hmm, I think my first post got stuck in the spam filter).

    Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))
    Well, thanks to XXXXXX our PI , we now have her name, her husband's
    name, her chidrens' names, her grannies and great grannies name. Her
    address phone number and email
    lol…quite interesting.

    Over a three-star review?! :::wide, blinking eyes::: Is Debbie Anne MacGillivray also going to stalk and threaten the Romantic Times reviewer(s) and their grannies who gave In Her Bed and Restless Knight three stars?

  122. Amber Green
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:15:47

    For the love of Pete, this behavior is not characteristic of small presses or epubs. Come on over to Loose Id to see how well an author can be treated.

  123. Jane
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:20:25

    Perhaps Ms. McGillivray should read the DA series on defamation. Just because she deletes things, doesn’t mean that they never happened. And McGillivray must have some disposable income to be hiring a PI to hunt down a reader over a three star review. I wonder what you get if you post a 1 star review? ::shudder::

    I’ll give Ms. Foster the benefit of the doubt along with Hilary Sares and argue that they must not have read the thread in its entirety because I can’t believe that there are authors and editors who would be supportive of the McGillivray treatment of Reba, either in the response that she posted on Amazon or her “take down” actions.

  124. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:20:36

    Amber, this behavior is not characteristic of stable human beings.

    *boggles*

  125. Concerned Reader
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:23:05

    Quite frankly I am appalled at Deborah McGillivray and cronies. I was a reader who had a difficult time keeping a review posted on Amazon back in Janurary of this year. It was quite clear to me from the start what was going on (because I witnessed plenty of disappearing reviews while trying to keep mine posted) and it was also quite clear who the ringleader of this little circus was. I’m no rocket scientist, but this was easy enough to catch onto so I was positive I was not the only one to take notice. Now I see I am not. I’ve been lurking, but now I’m posting here after reading McGillivray’s words (well editor’s words repeated by her) that apparently we are people with “nothing better to do” (somehow unlike the McG Cronies who can spend their days manipulating reviews on the web?). She doesn’t think she did anyone wrong because we are just the “loser” customers that are complaining. We don’t matter because it is easier on her ego for it to be so.

    I am insulted. I put money into this woman’s pocket and got stalked on amazon.com in the process for not gushing over her work. My review (which was fair and didn’t attack anybody or spoil the book) was deleted by their clicky attacks, and my other written reviews swamped with “no” votes. Immature. Childish. Absurd. And I’m the one with nothing better to do?!

    This author will never get another dime from me. She will never get a recommendation from me (and I am a member of book clubs both online and off – and yes my club has discussed this). She forgets herself. She forgets that the reader is not under contract. She can try to bully us, but she is just going to make herself look stupid. She can’t mess with my career and I don’t want to be in her loop. I have nothng to lose by not stroking her ego.

    To the disgruntled HP authors…I have had an abusive boss before, so I definitely feel your pain and understand the difficult situation you are in. Best of luck on your end of things. Please keep us updated and don’t give up the fight! You have the support of this reader!

    To Deborah McGillivray (and cronies) because I know you are reading this…you can tell yourselves whatever you want about us. We have no life, we are inconsequential to book sales, whatever. Fact of the matter is, you’re a small publishing house and every customer counts (as well as every writer). No matter how lame we may be we are the people who support your business. We could dress up in costume and attend silly conventions and you should still appreciate us. Instead you insult your readers, attack your readers, stalk your readers. There’s no denying it – I have seen enough, experienced enough, and I am convinced you are doing this Deborah, and I am convinced you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. You don’t deserve the business you get and should be thankful for every sale. Keep up the diva BS and it wont last. Get off your high horse and do some writing and maybe one day you’ll be worth that superior attitude because right now it is very premature.

  126. Kristie(J)
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:31:16

    Indeed, as Nora says this past stalking and into terrorism territory. As I reader, I thank and commend every author who has come forward to help expose this evil.
    I hope it doesn’t just stay here. I hope she is exposed everywhere and the light shines brightly on what she has done.

  127. Christine Merrill
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:34:11

    And McGillivray must have some disposable income to be hiring a PI to hunt down a reader over a three star review.

    One of my many past careers involved internet searching to find stuff like addresses and family histories of unsuspecting people, so that cerities could put the touch on them. It was fun, in a Sherlock Holmes sort of way, but mostly just creepy.

    It does not require hiring a PI to get this stuff. A hobby geneologist, with an unhealthy amount of curiousity can turn up most of this stuff in a couple of hours. Or a librarian. There is a lot of personal info on-line that will not cost a cent.

    Generally, you can’t do anything too harmful (like hack a bank account), but you can find enough stuff (like mother’s maiden name and property tax info) to scare the crap out of someone.

  128. Alyssa Day
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 18:51:58

    2c. Re: vote down this bitch please
    Posted by: “DeborahAnne MacGillivray”
    writer@DeborahMacGIllivray.co.uk scotladywriter
    Date: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm ((PDT))
    Well, thanks to XXXXXX our PI , we now have her name, her husband's
    name, her chidrens' names, her grannies and great grannies name. Her
    address phone number and email
    lol…quite interesting.~

    This is boil-your-bunny crazy. If this is a true representation of the email, the woman so threatened should be calling the FBI.

    In terms of the “we’re calling the lawyers” threat, libel is, by definition, only libel if it consists of “false statements,” and there seem to be an awful lot of people with copies of email from Ms. MacGillivray saved on their hard drives to bring to bear as evidence. It is quite easy to prove that certain email came from certain individuals; I have used expert witnesses to do this before in court, tracing the ISPs and computers, so denying that she wrote a particular email will not work if in fact she did.

    If I were to hear a hint of someone tracking down my family, I would bring every resource at my disposal to bring the wrath of doom down upon that person’s head. Federal, state, and local authorities. Criminal charges. Lawsuits. Formal complaints to anybody and everybody.

    And to even indirectly threaten someone’s children?? Oh, HELL no.

  129. stephanie feagan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:03:25

    Man, it’s gettin’ srsly cold here in Switzerland….

  130. Barb Ferrer
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:07:20

    *hands Stef hot chocolate*

  131. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:12:00

    If this is a true representation of the email, the woman so threatened should be calling the FBI.

    She did:

    In #1 I saw a group talking about author’s posting nasty-graham’s if they didn’t like their books. I chimed in and posted what happened to me (up to this point) with Deb. Mac and “the pack.” I even retyped by review (because it was still down). My reviews are never harsh. I even commented on I liked “A Restless Knight.” But, she found it offensive.

    “The Pack” swarmed in on that discussion like flies to honey. It was comical and made my point. Silky, Anne Raven, Leanne Grant showed what they were like in the schoolyard. Pinhead, back-end of a horse, and other trite names were listed for my description.

    Leanne Grant later went back to edit her posts in “Read any BAD books lately.” She posted information to let me know they had my real name, looked up my family tree in geneology.com, and looked at my family website.

    The majority of the posts from “The Pack” on that discussion board have since been been deleted by Amazon. And Deb. M. deleted one from herself.

    Later, I noticed the discussion for “delections of reviews to raise star ratings” and told my story.

    This is when the veiled threats to my family began. Caitrina Hunter….And this is when I choose to elevate the problem.

    I contacted her publisher at Kensington, the Better Business Bureau (on-line) and filed a complaint with the Attorney General’s Office in Seattle, Washington (this is the home office for Amazon), my congressman, and a friend with the FBI. I now know more about them than I could ever possibly want.

    Reba goes on to say this, which I find interesting:

    They DO guard a group of authors. Dawn Thompson, Leanne Burroughs, Barbara Pierce, Emma Holly, etc. It’s a pack, I’ll post good reviews for your book, if you post good reviews for mine and we’ll hound anyone that doesn’t conform.

    To which I responded at the computer, “EMMA HOLLY??????” Like does that mean she’s involved or just that they are fans of her books. I mean, how far out does this extend??

  132. Robin
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:12:57

    Man, it's gettin' srsly cold here in Switzerland….

    Especially when you’re being snowed (in) . . .

  133. Lynne
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:13:44

    Alyssa Day said: This is boil-your-bunny crazy.

    That is a damn near perfect comparison, IMO.

    Is she in violation of any of the standard terms in publishing contracts? I mean, is there a clause to the effect that thou shalt not attack thy readers in a public forum and cause embarrassment and potential loss of revenue to thy publisher?

  134. Volsfan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:17:41

    Disgusting, scary, awful, authors and readers need to stop this person. I would like to give the editor at Kensington the benefit of the doubt too, but I also want to make sure they know. Here is the link to Kensington Publishing http://www.kensingtonbooks.com/finditem.cfm?itemid=11222 . On that page you will find the president of the company’s personal email. His name is Steven Zacharius and he invites people to write him personally. I think this situation warrants it!

    Here is the link to Dorchester Publishing. http://www.dorchesterpub.com/Dorch/about.cfm There is a direct link there to their editorial department. I noticed Deborah didn’t mention the editors at Dorchester at all. They might not be aware.

    Internet terrorism is beyond reproach. Threatening someone’s family, especially their kids has me so blistering angry I am off to pen my letters.

    They will basically read like this.

    “Dear Sir,

    Your author, Deborah MacGillivray has launched a campaign of bullying and internet terrorism on the web. She is accused of manipulating Amazon, terrifying writers and stalking readers who give her poor reviews. She even threatened one reader, a Reba Belle’s children. The information is being discussed by readers and authors including several NY Times bestsellers. You can start at Dear Author http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2008/04/07/highland-press-warnings/ and then move to the Amazon forums where it is a hot topic the forums. Since this news broke on April 7th, Deborah MacGillivray has tried deleting and manipulating the information, but it is well documented. I hope you will address this problem immediately. Ms. MacGillivray claims your house is fully aware of this matter. I wanted to make certain that was true.”

  135. Kristi Ahlers
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:35:59

    Okay, I'm stepping out of the shadows and speaking up. Yes, I am a Highland Press author. I have been reading this thread since Monday and have been waiting equally long to see my publisher step up to the plate and say something…ANYTHING in response to what's being said, shown, and proven. I went so far as to e-mail Ms. Burroughs about a response as things were getting heated over here, talks of boycotts and so on. Her response was she was aware of the thread and was working on it. Working on it? Exactly how? Currently at The Romance Room there is/was a thread where Ms. MacGillivray has engaged in the exact thing we're tired of. Another HP author as gone so far as to use profanity in a response. Why am I entering into this now? Ms. MacGillivray sent me a personal e-mail with comments about what my CP was doing, sending e-mails of their responses to each other. Why? I couldn't tell you. Is this how they plan to help the rest of the authors contracted to HP? By getting into it like this, proving what's already being said? There has to be accountability here. I will no doubt be accused of letting others do my thinking for me, like I am some sort of lack-wit not capable of thought. Rest assured I am in complete control of my mental facilities. What I am seeing is no one taking responsibility for what is going on here. It's sickening.

    In the end, all that has been posted here is true. Yes, we get yelled at, yes Ms. MacGillivray has touted herself as co-publisher as long ago as November 2007. Yes, she claims this is all lies, yes; I'm going to get an ass chewing the likes I have never experienced before. But the point is this…I'm tired of sitting back, being scared to say anything. I have moved on, found a publisher I adore and I can only wish the same for my fellow HP authors.

    But let me say this. The odd cliché “with the sweet comes the sour” is true here. I have learned some very valuable lessons, I have made some wonderful friends and I have learned I'm tougher then I ever thought I was. I learned that I DO have what it takes to make it in this industry. I have the drive, the motivation, and the belief in myself. I have moved on from this house and I've found publication elsewhere. This experience has been a lessoned learned and I'm only sorry that something that started with so much promise has turned into something I'm not proud to be a part of.

  136. Only The Truth
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 19:57:21

    VOLSFAN and readers: Thank you for taking a stance on this matter. We HP authors appreciate your support. It’s a great idea to write to DAM’s publishers/editors with your opinion. Readers hold the power to make or break an author. I commend you for speaking out against this sort of tyrany.

    Authors, especially HP authors: We have lived in the nightmare for so long. It’s a fresh breath of air now that our experiences are out in the open. Bravo to the authors who see the injustice in HP’s and Ms. M’s methods.

    I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

  137. Scary
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 20:01:07

    What is so scary about all this is Ms. MacGillivray, as co-publisher of HP, has access to the authors’ home addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers, and all the other info needed for the paperwork in the publishing business. I know information on almost anyone can be found on the Internet with dilligent search, but what what’s most scary is getting one’s hand on the ss#.

  138. Mad
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 20:04:07

    DAM’s comments have completely turned me off her books. I had 3 of her books in the TBR (have never read her) and now they’re sitting in my UBS bag because I will never read them now. Reading her response to the Amazon review turned my stomach and I will never spend my money on her books again. What she did was horrendous.

    I’m probably going to mess this up but one of my favorite quotes in a book was in THE SECRET by Julie Garwood, where Iain told Judith “One whisper, added to a thousand others, becomes a roar of discontent.”

    I’m adding my voice here and hope many others will too.

  139. Lynne
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 20:05:13

    An excellent observation, Scary. If I were in that situation, I’d have a fraud lock put on my credit file. It’s not hard to do.

  140. Meagan Hatfield
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 20:09:15

    And Megan-’Whoa! She's calling a lawyer already? Please don't be worried. There's nothing more she can do to you. She should “come on over” and read the posts here before she calls. Maybe she should respond to us.

    LOL! Thanks. But that’s just it…I don’t think she’s reading over here or she’d know better than to say I’m making it up and lying. It’s her own words tightening the noose, not mine.

    One of her flying monkey clones just came on that loop she’s fussing at me on and told the moderator I was “spreading trash” and “Can you spell lynch mob?”

    Sheesh! I’m waiting for my Inbox to flood with her supporters now because apparently, I am public enemy #1 and the one who needs to be taken down, sued and verbally abused, not their psycho-stalker co-publisher, cover artist extraordinaire. *rolling eyes* Yeah, whatever!

  141. Volsfan
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 20:20:02

    You are very welcome. My letters are off, including one to RWA. Sorry that I could not post the links here but I found them both easily accessible.

    Dorchester is off the main page, upper right hand corner click About Us and on the right hand side on the side bar it says, if you have a question for our Editorial department click here.

    Kensington, to find the president’s email go to Kensington Publishing and scroll to the bottom of the page. In the center of that menu across the bottom is Contact Us. Click on that. On the right hand side, in a teal side bar, the second item is Presidents letter. If you click there you will see Mr. Zacharius’ personal email.

    I searched and found Romance Writers of America’s site. In the top right hand corner it says About RWA. If you scroll down the left sidebar it says RWA staff. I wrote Allison Kelly, the Executive Director.

    I hate bullies. The only way to stop them is to stand firm against this kind of crap. Once Kensington, Dorchester, and the RWA get here, the proof is pretty damming.

  142. Jane
    Apr 10, 2008 @ 21:17:39

    I had to start a new thread as this one doesn’t allow comments anymore for some reason.

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