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Publishing House Alert: Yaoi House LLC

Update. Kira Takenochi has alerted people to new changes in her Yaoi publishing role.

Hello Everyone,

For most of you, this is going to come as no surprise, as I’ve been discussing this situation for a few weeks now in my journal at the site.

As of tonight I will be shutting down the Yaoi House site and putting up a new site for my writing.

What may be surprising to some is that I am going to be removing all the yaoi from the site. I will not be continuing those stories at this time. It’s possible I may revisit them and and rework them to be non-yaoi stories, but for now they are going to sleep, until I decide what to do with them. I will only be working on new fiction from this point on.

Tonight I will be putting all future recurring billing on hold. You will continue to have access to the new site and the new fiction through the end of your billing period. I will be putting up a new sign-on page and changing the price to $4.99. This price cut makes sense as there will be less fiction, since I will be building a new fiction archive.

I will not be publishing any of my yaoi books. For those of you who are new to the site and have no idea what is going on, you may email me for a refund, if you like, as I know you purchased access to the site for the yaoi.

For those of you who are going to continue on with me in my new direction, I will see you on the “other side”. To the rest of you, I thank you for your years of support and wish you all the best.

Kira Takenouchi is a Yaoi author who made a name for herself with Ai no Kusabi fanfiction, including a long and popular saga called ‘Taming Riki’. She formed a publishing house called Yaoi House or Yaoi Underground, LLC.

She signed a number of authors including Becca Abbott and took money in form of subscription fee payments by readers anxious to read her Taming Riki work. In March of 2008, Kira found Jesus and decided to stop publishing and declared all contracts null and void. She promised to refund money paid for the Taming Riki work which was never delivered.

On April 8, 2008, other investors in the Yaoi House stepped forward (the first comment), claiming that they would be honoring contracts and resolving the issue of outstanding orders that seemed not be filled.

On May 1, 2008, Kira reappears and claims that she did not find God but was instead suffering hallucinations as a result of bi-polarity.

I know now that God wasn’t acutally talking to me with Divine imperatives..that was in my head. It just seemed so real. And…some things happened to me, that I gues I won’t tell you about, but they go along the lines of hallucinations.

I think that we know, having seen the signs before of bad publisher behavior what happens next. Yep, people voicing their upsets with Kira bailing on them speak out and Kira responds with

Have fun with your rant. Anyone who participates will of course be banned from my site.

On May 4, 2008, in response to what is happening with the contracts and the money that was taken from readers, Kira denies that there has been any transfer of power:

Let me be clear about one thing. Legally I am still the manager of both Yaoi House and Yaoi Underground so what I say goes, with regard to my fiction. I have the power not to sign the final contract that would transfer those rights to Harial, which would mean nothing would change with either company and both would remain in my control.

A number of advisors and business partners leave Yaoi House because of, well, the instability. And Kira responds with accusations toward the people who want their refunds and contracts honored. I mean, the nerve of those people.

I admit I’m very angry about this because it’s clear from the posts in this group that people KNEW or at least SUSPECTED I was not in my right mind and yet everyone was proceeding to take away everything I’d worked on for the past few years, in a matter of DAYS. Almost no one here stood up for me and gave me the benefit of the doubt! No one except Esther! You all FUCKING KNOW ME and you KNOW I would never desert you or my stories or these companies! You KNEW that this “Kira Morningstar” was not the same person as “Kira Takenouchi”. And you didn’t even care that I was mad, that I was all alone in the horror of my mind with no one to help me–my shareholders knew I was sick and yet they deserted me, everyone deserted me and just chose to believe the worst, that I’d actually just thrown everything away and walked away. You didn’t stop to think…Okay wait…she’s bipolar…maybe she’s just ill. Let’s give her a chance to come out of this. And then all you cared about was getting your refunds or getting A BOOK with one of my titles on it, written by anyone else under the sun apparently.

On May 8, 2008, Kira seems to have calmed down and wishes her former business partners the best of luck and actually offers up an apology.

I’ll be dismantling the YH subscription site because I suspect all the writers have gone with Harial to her new domain. I hope so. They got the raw end of the shaft, too. I’ll be too busy with my own writing to try and maintain such a subscription site–and I don’t even want to, because it’s Harial’s baby. To be honest I’ll mostly be focusing on my own books now, unless we’ve signed new contracts with authors I’m not aware of. Or if we have, perhaps they can follow Harial. Maybe she’ll
publish print books too.

Harial…I just want to say publicly that I am so sorry for what I put you through

This olive branch is thrown down and trod upon three days later:

In case some of you are unclear about what has happened, Harial has started her own company.

Apparently some of my investors who joined her thought they could secretly keep shares in my companies while they invested in a competing company! They would be privy to my plans which they could then use to their advantage at their company. They apparently also thought they could take my authors, not realizing that the contracts between Yaoi House and its authors are still legal and have not been legally voided by new signed documents. So, for instance, posting Learning to Serve on their site is completely illegal, because a signed contract with Yaoi House is still in effect.

(Um, what about the post that all contracts were voided?)

Other authors are getting threats of legal action if they try to move their works to another subscription service.

Apparently, our contracts are still valid and will be so for two years after we hand in the manuscript. Which goes against what my contract says, but let’s not get into details here. Apparently, what Kira is trying to do is prevent any of the authors to sell the manuscripts or post the stories in question on the new publishing house’s subscription site

It sounds like some Yaoi authors are getting some raw treatment and that Kira Takenouchi is still trying to remain in business. Wonder what ever happened to those unfilled subscription payments?

Update: We’ve opened the comments at this time.

Jane Litte is the founder of Dear Author, a lawyer, and a lover of pencil skirts. She spends her downtime reading romances and writing about them. Her TBR pile is much larger than the one shown in the picture and not as pretty. You can reach Jane by email at jane @ dearauthor dot com

316 Comments

  1. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 17, 2008 @ 00:30:21

    Not enough plot twists.

  2. louisev
    Jun 17, 2008 @ 18:47:56

    Oh I dunno, there are plenty of twists, the problem is it’s the same twist over and over.

  3. amused
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 11:34:32

    Her company, Yaoi House and pen-name have now been deleted from Wikipedia for being a “non-notable author and publishing company.” Very true.

  4. louisev
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 15:04:12

    *snort*. What is worse than having an unflattering Wikipedia entry? Being deleted from Wiki for not being important enough.

  5. Dramatica
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 20:39:19

    I’m sure the nice people over at Encyclopedia Dramatica http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com would love to do a wiki article to replace the one she lost. She’d fit right in with the article on Snapesnogger and Derek Smart. In fact Derek seems to be Kira’s role model because she appears to be following the Derek Smart PR model to the letter (okay, I’ll admit it she’s not as crude but the whole “detractors” and my fans vs the evil army of REALITY is nearly identical)

  6. anonymoose
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 03:28:39

    OMFG, as one of Kira’s mindless minions (LOL) this whole situation has been a laugh riot.. Honestly I have enjoyed her yummy man porn writings in an amusing sort of way. So when she found Jesus, and she then announced she was no longer writing hot man porn fanfics, I was sad for about 2 seconds and then nicely moved on to other man smut.

    But whilst, trolling for M/M fics on AFF.net lo and behold, I held such a lovely site… a banner for Kira’s Taming Riki series, once again announcing her crazy kingdom, come forth from the darkness.

    And here I thought Laurell K Hamiliton was bat sh*t insane, but that’s right she’s a published author…. who also has an overinflated sense of ego, about her wonderous writing.

    Honestly this has been one hell of a ride, sadly I feel sorry for those that shelled out money. Drama aside, they deserve their money back or those wonderful smutty books. It truly is like watching a train wreck in front of your eyes. You feel sorry for all the death and dismemberment, but you just can’t stop watching.

  7. Not my penname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 15:41:32

    Here's something I don't get. YH and Kira with Taming Riki has never set well with me. At one time I considered subbing to them until I noticed that fanfiction was connected to original fiction. That's a legal battle and debate I don't want connected to my work. Then, I realized they were accepting money for titles that weren't finished. I have too much respect for my readers to take money for something that isn't done.

    With that said, what I don't get is that people have said YH has permission from DMP in regards to Taming Riki. DMP is the distributor NOT the copyright holder. DMP's failure to try to shut down YH or fight YH is not the same as getting permission from the copyright holder. DMP does not have the right to give that kind of permission. DMP may have stated that they were willing to turn a blind eye to Taming Riki, but that's a far cry from getting permission from the copyright holder. DMP's statements or lack of action does not, in any way, shape, or form, offer any kind of legitimacy to Taming Riki, YH, or Kira herself.

    In other words, one does not get permission from Fictionwise to use characters from a story published by Ellora's Cave and written by Joette Author in ANOTHER story. You must go to the copyright holder for that permission.

    …Or am I really confused?

  8. (Jān)
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 17:36:04

    @Not My Penname, I think you’re confused. DMP is a publisher. They translated and published the Ai no Kusabi books in English. They own the rights to all English translations and publications to the novel. They are the ones who will sue people for copyight violation if they wish to. They were the correct people for her to contact, in the US.

    But she also supposedly got the permission of the original writer.

    Those two are the only ones she needed to talk to (in Japan the original writer retains ownership rights).

  9. Not my penname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 19:46:34

    Jan,

    You're correct. DMP is a publisher and a distributor which means they have publishing rights and distribution rights. They do not have the copyright; that stays with the author. Unless DMP has an odd contract, they can't give this kind of permission. My publisher cannot give anyone else permission to use my characters.

    The information I've found is that DMP “acquired the license” for an English release of the novel(s); whereas, Anime International Company has the rights to the OVA. DMP's rights and AIC's rights do not prohibit or allow either one's operations or the operations of any other company. The scope of their rights is very specific. It seems to me that if one wants real permission to do what Kira did, they don't go to one of the companies that has “splinter” rights to the work. They have to go back to the core rights-’the copyright holder.

    I have not been able to find anything where Kira got permission from the copyright holder. I've been following this for a while (since before YH was up and running) and I kept looking for that. I see plenty of notes about her getting permission from DMP, but not the copyright holder.

    I'm not a lawyer and I've not read any contracts that DMP has. But, something doesn't sit right with me in this situation.

  10. Amber
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 22:44:04

    I think it is pretty much up to the region 1 publisher to defend copyright infringement in their region. Simply since it's their sales that are going to effected. Japanese companies don't care since people that read English are not going to be buying Japanese language books anyway. Dmp gave their permission since people that buy Taming of Riki are even more likely to buy the original novels. It will more than likely increase their sales so they don't have a problem with it.

    Kira has stated a couple of time that she has gotten permission from the Author as well although I believe those posts have long since been deleted. I think she talked about it on her old journal as well more than a year ago. As long as the company that paid for the rights to her novel doesn't mind than she probably doesn't care either. Kira's novels are not going to effect her sales in Japan or the money she has gotten from Dmp. Whether or not it is true that Kira got permission for both is debatable since she has shown no proof but it isn't hard to believe that she has permission. I don't think either party would have a problem with it at least before she went off the deep end.

    Publishing fanfics isn't illegal or immoral as long as you get permission from all the parties concerned. Walk into your local bookstore and browse the sci-fi section. You will see many Star Wars books and very few of them are written by George Lucus. The only difference between them and Kira's books is those authors probably had to pay a fee instead of just writing a nice letter to the author and publishing company involved.

  11. (Jān)
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 22:50:09

    @Not My Penname, when I open my copies of Ai no Kusabi it shows pretty clearly that the copyright is owned by both Rieko Yoshihara and DMP.

    From what I understand, licenses with the Japanese for their works aren’t the same as typical contracts in the US. The mangaka retain original ownership, but sell the rights to all publication to their Japanese house. That house in turn has the right to negotiate all foreign licenses. When a US company purchases a license, they gain rights to all releases in that language for a period of time.

    That’s why in US fandoms when people want permission to broadcast in English or print doujinshi or fanworks in English, they go to the English license holder (if they ask anyone. The act of creating and selling doujinshi in small quantities is an acceptable practice among the Japanese.). That license holder may grant permission for these subworks.

    Far be it from me to defend Kira, but it seems like she did what was required as far as publishing Taming Riki goes.

  12. NotMyPenname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 23:46:02

    Thanks for the clarification. I’ve been trying to figure this one out for a while. Kind of scary that someone can thwart international copyright law by waiting for some distributor or publisher in some tiny country to get the rights and then get permission from them. If this is the way it works between Japan and the USA then that’s the way it works between the USA and Albania, right?

    Just to be clear, I don’t have a problem with fanfics. I’ve had some of my work fanficced and it thrilled me. (No, they didn’t get permission, but I don’t care. They’re fans. Let them have fun!)

    I also thought Rieko Yoshihara died about four years ago, but I can’t find anything to confirm that. Anyways, thank you for clarifying this!

  13. (Jān)
    Jun 29, 2008 @ 00:13:32

    No. That’s just the way it works with typical contracts between the US and Japanese for manga licenses. All contracts are individual though and may contain different terms. They don’t have to follow this pattern. It’s just that most seem to.

    But that has nothing to do with contracts between houses in the US and houses in other countries. I have no idea what standard practices are for them. I’m sure it varies widely.

    Someone can’t thwart copyright law by this process. If TokyoPop Germany buys the license to a series, then they have the rights to print and control German versions. They have no rights outside of that. And it’s up to them to protect those rights. They’d be foolish not to. So how would that help anyone thwart copyright? Japanese publishers wouldn’t continue to do work with someone who screws them over. Check out the Libre/Biblos/BeBeautiful debacle.

    As far as I know Reiko Yoshihara’s still alive. There are still books being published with her as an author. A new one just came out last month.

  14. Jia
    Jun 29, 2008 @ 05:15:43

    You will see many Star Wars books and very few of them are written by George Lucus. The only difference between them and Kira's books is those authors probably had to pay a fee instead of just writing a nice letter to the author and publishing company involved.

    The authors had to pay a fee? Hardly. Media tie-ins like Star Wars, Star Trek, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc are contracted by the publisher just like any other book. The only difference is that the author typically doesn’t own the copyright of the text.

  15. Amy
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 15:37:47

    Hello Everyone,

    I am not looking to start anything. But I was wondering if any former Yaoi house customers are lurking about here. My friend has yet to receive her 22 dollar refund for ordering a book from them that never got delivered. Kira has said she has no money but from what I can read from these comments, her business is doing well and she is sending people HER books. Any other disgruntled customers here? Is there any legal action that can be taken?

  16. Charisa
    Jul 27, 2008 @ 20:26:08

    I’m just skimming through here, and I can’t tell you all how glad I am to see someone believes what I “started.” The whole copyright infringement thing. I was the one who contacted DMP and got no response. Apparently, Kira got one that said she had full rights and could even sell the original AnK. Just to be clear- I informed DMP of her lack of a written permission from Ms. Yoshihara, and if they really did send her that response- I’m not buying from DMP.

  17. Wikipedia Funnies
    Aug 01, 2008 @ 23:11:14

    Anyone else been following the wikipedia hilarity going on with the “Kira Takenouchi” and “Yaoi House” wiki articles? They got deleted and then “someone” put them back up. When they were again flagged for deletion the now deleted Kxing account had the gall to post “What is your problem? We are fans of Kira Takenouchi and we’re tired of her enemies trying to erase her from existence. She was mentioned in Publisher’s Weekly, that is notable enough. You have no right to be so vindictive. Stop getting so personal about this and take a step back.” Yeah, that’ll definitely get the wiki admins to change their mind.

    Also, the only Publisher’s Weekly article she is even mentioned in is the “Yaoi House Future Clouded” article talking about the craziness she started back in March. Yeah, that’s definitely an article I would want to use to point out my notability!

  18. Funny - Not even
    Aug 05, 2008 @ 10:22:44

    Oh for crying out loud. The Wikipedia thing wasn’t funny in the least. This whole thing was very sad. Why can’t you give it a rest already? The show’s long over and gone.

  19. Ditto Funny - Not even
    Aug 05, 2008 @ 15:10:06

    I agree. The show is over and both groups, SL and Yaoi House have moved on… I hope.

    I hope that the bad blood between the two groups can be at an end and that the nastiness going on can be or has been ended. If it hasn’t, I hope folks will get over it and let it go – this entire episode was business.

    Honestly speaking, the only people being hurt now are those still holding grudges and gunning for revenge. I hope that unlike me they don’t believe in karma because they will get theirs later for all that hate they’re holding on to. May all of those in that position (holding grudges) be released from their issues sometime soon.

    For those like me who don’t hate either side and wish well to both, it seems we’ll still have to keep praying.

    Good luck, everyone.

  20. Funny, no? Revealing, yes!
    Aug 06, 2008 @ 08:58:42

    This is not about revenge, it is about pointing out yet another interesting scenario that proves that Kira (and her flunkies) have learned and changed nothing, despite what Esther and Kira herself have been saying and the relative silence.

    Kira’s two articles were removed because they did meet Wikipedia’s requirements. It was voted on by knowledgeable staff who came to the conclusion that she was a non-notable person and that the yaoi house page was for advertisement purposes. Therefore its removal was not because of any one single person but done after a calm, logical discussion.

    Instead of respecting the decision of the owners and moderators of that webpage, the postings were put right back up, showing her or her flunkies complete disregard for the rules of this other site. When the articles were immediately flagged for deletion again the moderators were harassed by someone who lashed out at them with:

    “What is your problem? We are fans of Kira Takenouchi and we’re tired of her enemies trying to erase her from existence. She was mentioned in Publisher’s Weekly, that is notable enough. You have no right to be so vindictive. Stop getting so personal about this and take a step back.” (taken from the now deleted but still cached Kxing discussion on wikipedia)

    This was posted June 19, after everything was supposed to have been “calmed down”. Apparently Kira and her group are still harboring a grudge against her “enemies”. And, in a show of arrogance that totally astounds me, they also apparently think the staff at Wikipedia even gives a crap about who she is and what happened to her enough to take sides against her. Finally, to even insinuate that the Wikipedia staff are taking the whole thing “personally” is totally asinine. Naturally the Wikipedia staff didn’t take too kindly to this and banned that user and deleted the recreated pages.

    This is ridiculously similar to what was pulled on this very site. Apparently someone had linked this site to her Wiki articles which either caused an editing storm or caused someone to flag the article as defamatory which created the problem to begin with. When the mods took a good look at the article it was removed, which was obviously not what Kira and crew wanted. So they first ignore the site’s own rules and then launched attacks on the owners trying to force them to do what they wanted, just as they did here at Dear Author, proving nothing in that camp has changed.

    I do agree with you, this should be over. Many people consider this over. But as long as these people continue to drag in others who have nothing to do with this nonsense and then declare that they’re working with Kira’s “enemies” against her (even when they couldn’t care less about her) this won’t be over. It will spring up again and again.

    And that “private” journal she’s started on her company’s website so she can again use what should be a legitimate business to spout her nonsense is not going to help any. It’s just going to get her into more trouble and then things will implode again and all these “new” people they claim to have gotten will be out of money and out of luck just like myself and countless others.

    It’s disgusting and people need to realize she has not changed and it is still not safe to trust her with their money. They claim the structure of Yaoi House has changed and yet, in their most recent mailing, talking about new officers at the company one has to wonder why Elizabeth Cameron, the one time President and person in charge is now absent from that list. One also has to ask themselves if Elizabeth was ever real and, if she was, why she is suddenly no longer with the company.

    If Yaoi House wants to prove it has shaped up it needs to 1. Stop attacking random people and looking for their “enemies” 2. Get a set of higher ups that people trust are not under Kira’s sway and as easily disposable as Elizabeth Cameron apparently was and 3. Shape up and be professional. That means someone needs to put their foot down and not allow Kira to use the company property to spout her venomous nonsense. I’m not saying Kira shouldn’t be given a voice or not allowed to have a journal but she should not be allowed to host that journal on the company website. The fact that Esther has allowed that proves she is not as in control as they want people to believe. That journal needs to be on a private website that Yaoi House, and money from Yaoi House, has in no way paid for and has no affiliation with. Kira’s failure to realize that proves that she still does not understand that she should not be using her company as platform for her anger.

    People need to realize that before they again start trusting her with their hard earned money.

  21. These Issues Seem Totally Impossible to understand
    Aug 10, 2008 @ 05:44:22

    I came over this blog by browsing about blogs/sites that might be interested in soem fiction I am writing, and the stuff and intrigues discussed here seem totally confusing. But I am not a member of the “sect”. Had I been, I had perhaps understood more.

  22. Back to These Issues
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 19:21:53

    You’re not alone. This particular thread is more of a “show how crazy, bitter, jealous, envious, spiteful, one can be, thread. It reeks with hate and intolerance. I’m just sorry this is still up for the read, it should have gotten shut down a long time ago, but I guess for some, it is entertaining.

  23. Ann Somerville
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 19:48:12

    it should have gotten shut down a long time ago

    No, honey, that’s Kira’s tactic – shut down mailing lists, password discussion, pretend she wasn’t a raving lunatic and a heinous bitch. Jane and co don’t have anything to hide – or be ashamed of.

    You know what’s keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks. People with alerts to new comments on this thread, like me, are reminded of its existence every time someone posts yet another whiny pro-Kira rant, and that encourages us to read over the entire mess again.

    So do, please keep posting. That will keep Kira’s sorry behaviour front and centre for a loooong time.

    [And if this is Kira posting again under a sockie - jesus fucking christ, woman, grow up!]

  24. Yukiko Shijima
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 20:13:39

    You know what's keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks. People with alerts to new comments on this thread, like me, are reminded of its existence every time someone posts-

    I am just here to agree with this. I’m one those in the above mentioned group.

    It’s not such a huge site on the web that people can’t avoid it, or just not run into it at all, so those commenting here are either directed here, or looking for exactly the kind of content that is available here.

  25. Back to These Issues
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 09:01:10

    You know what's keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks.

    Huh? What the hell did I do? I’ve posted twice here, saying nothing negative about anyone and now I’m an “Idiot”? What in the world is going on here? I only posted because I got an alert, just like you Ms Somerville. I meant no offense whatsoever, so forgive me for obviously ruffling your feathers.

    I was simply pointing out that, yes, this whole issue is confusing and the person who stated so is not alone in feeling that way. I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it’s not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it’s kept around *shrugs*.

    That is all… and then I get spat at and called an idiot by someone that I totally had a lot of respect for as a writer and a model for other upcoming writers. Forgive me for saying but I’m shocked here.

    Again, if I offended you, forgive me. I honestly had no intentions of doing so… I honestly thought that this site was respectable and legit and comments and interaction from other writers were welcome.

    I shall not be posting here again, for I obviously do not fit mold here, nor do I wish for the attitude to rub off on me, if it were possible.

  26. (Jān)
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 09:05:38

    I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it's not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it's kept around *shrugs*.

    This thread is kept around because we don’t go back and edit history the way Kira does. We keep our entries here, complete, unchanged, and accurate representations of what occurred. Perhaps you’d rather revise how we see the past so that all mistakes are glossed over. I think it better that we look at it honestly so that all may learn from it.

  27. Jia
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 10:24:50

    I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it's not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it's kept around

    Actually, we did close the comments to this post. Do you know what happened when we did? The next day, Kira spammed every single other post on the rest of our website. So as a result of that lovely choice on her part, we reopened the comments. If she doesn’t like it, well, she has only herself to blame.

  28. Ann Somerville
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 15:33:34

    I totally had a lot of respect for as a writer and a model for other upcoming writers.

    If you have any admiration for me, which I doubt, you would know that I have a particular contempt for concern trolls.

    This particular thread is more of a “show how crazy, bitter, jealous, envious, spiteful, one can be, thread. It reeks with hate and intolerance.

    And you think *I’m* being harsh? Give over, woman.

    You’re clearly here because Kira is stirring garbage up on her private journal – again. And I would say you sound very like Kira herself. Again.

    I shall not be posting here again, for I obviously do not fit mold here

    No, you have to be able to read to post on DA. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya etc.

  29. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 08:31:38

    um, Hi all.

    I really don’t wan’t to anger any of you with my question, and I haven’t read all of the replays because there are so many of them, but I speake for myself and other readers when I ask you this.

    Is it safe, in your opinion, to order and buy the 2 finished “taming riki” books that are offered for sale in YH?

  30. Nadja
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 08:51:55

    The finished two are (probably) safe, just keep an eye on your credit card bill.

    HOWEVER – don’t hold your breath for volume 3. If that one ever comes out, I’ll be more than surprised. It’s been listed as coming soon for what, two years?

    Personally I wouldn’t bother because the series won’t ever get finished. But if you can live with that, those two books are the only ones I’d consider reasonably safe to buy. Fingers off anything else – you really risk getting burned.

  31. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 09:35:23

    Wow, thanks for the quick answer.

    There seem to be a problem with YH and the payment options, anyway, so I don’t know if I’ll buy the books in the end.

    Thanks a lot!

  32. Nadja
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 09:48:26

    If there’s anything about the payment options that makes you hesitate, then better be careful. This isn’t a reliable publisher – the only reason the TR books are even remotely worth considering is because they’re the only two products which are actually finished. Anything else that is only up for preorder – burn your money, you’ll at least get some warmth out of it that way.

  33. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 10:02:53

    The preorder option is no longer available (but that’s good to know ’cause It can get pretty cold over here at night ^^)

    Thank you for your concern, I’ll be sure to watch my steps

  34. Shinashi
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 11:34:27

    Oh, I at least think she’ll finish the third, if you’re extremely patient. But I wouldn’t buy the first two if I didn’t think she would finish the third.

    But don’t bank on buying anything for quite a while. >.>

  35. cathy
    Nov 11, 2008 @ 01:43:53

    Im pretty sure that the replies supporting Kira are the same person. This happened when Kira first started posting on FF.net and everything became non NC-17 friendly. I used to have a share when the company first started up, but backed out due to people..having arguments with Kira over non sense. I did not mean to start anything up again (though I did any way) But, She would go off at the drop of a hat. Good luck Kira, in whatever you persue, you need it

  36. COG
    Nov 11, 2008 @ 07:29:01

    Actually, we did close the comments to this post. Do you know what happened when we did? The next day, Kira spammed every single other post on the rest of our website. So as a result of that lovely choice on her part, we reopened the comments. If she doesn't like it, well, she has only herself to blame.

    Wow, and here I thought she was getting better. Something like this is just plain childish. I do wish her luck in the future, but the sad truth is, not everyone in this world is going to like you. Sometimes they don’t like you for no reason, sometimes they have a pretty good reason to despise you. The simple truth is no one here owes you anything Kira.

    And no, I’m not trying to be mean but it’s true. Not everyone is going to agree and like you, the best thing you can do is move on and improve yourself so you don’t ever let a big mistake like this happen again. God bless

  37. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 16:55:06

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!! THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA’LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!!NO ONE WITH A RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON SOMEONE THEY DON’T LIkE!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN’T GET YOUR BOOKS ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON’T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    That was good!!! thanks stupid bitches that felt good!!

  38. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:12:23

    by Kristal December 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm Reply to this comment

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!!(too many exclamation marks) THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER (bipolar) YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA'LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!! NO ONE WITH A(in their) RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON(about, unless you’re writing on them with a permanent marker) SOMEONE THEY DON'T LIk(K)E!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR BOOKS(,) ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON'T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    That was good!!! t(T)hanks stupid bitches(,) that felt good!!

    This was just for my amusement. Anyhow, complaining about people not having a life, and writing a whole page about someone they don’t like is very silly. I don’t even need to point out why.

    These random flamers really need to pay more attention to context. They would get more respect.

  39. KRISTAL
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:16:17

    TELL ME WHAT YOUR GOING TO DO ABOUT IT BITCH!!!!!!!

  40. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:37:04

    This was just for my amusement. Anyhow, complaining about people not having a life, and writing a whole page about someone they don't like is very silly. I don't even need to point out why.

    These random flamers really need to pay more attention to context. They would get more respect.

    *Laugh* I really have to say you contradict yourself! Not even fucking two minutes after I wrote that you just had to comment and then you had the nerve to say I didn’t have a life, so please bitch stop sucking me off!! Just so you know though, when I said people didn’t have a life because they were just writing nasty things about Kira, who they didn’t like or don’t understand, it included people like you. What? Where you angry because my comment slapped you in the face? Too bad suck it up!! That's all your good for any way, sucking people!

  41. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:53:48

    I never claimed you didn’t have a life. Context my friend, context. Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point.

    Anyhow, I doubt you would be complaining if I were “sucking you off.” Making assumptions about people being angry or their mood in general over text will get you in trouble one day.

    My guess is you’re bored. If you were really trying to make a difference, you’d be doing something more worthwhile.

    As for the promptness of my response, I get email notifications and my email beeps at me when I receive an email. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, kiddo.

  42. (Jān)
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:09:47

    @Yukiko at 238, heh. BTW she mis-spelled y’all as well, though surprisingly she got the usage correct. It’s short for you all, a plural, and some people do use it incorrectly to address one person, but at least that was done correctly here. However the proper spelling is of course not YA’LL but Y’ALL.

    But then, she’s only 19 so she still has time to learn how to flame in style. ^_^

  43. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:20:07

    I never claimed you didn't have a life. Context my friend, context. Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point.

    Anyhow, I doubt you would be complaining if I were “sucking you off.” Making assumptions about people being angry or their mood in general over text will get you in trouble one day.

    My guess is you're bored. If you were really trying to make a difference, you'd be doing something more worthwhile.

    As for the promptness of my response, I get email notifications and my email beeps at me when I receive an email. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, kiddo.

    I'm not stupid Yuki-hoe I can read between the lines, so don’t context context me, and for your info I’m an honor student in all forms of literature! The only thing you seem to be advanced in is oral comprehension and you're probably right I'm sure I wouldn’t be complaining if you were sucking me off, your pretty good in all things oral! Please don’t tell me how my mouth will get me in trouble, just make sure you always swallow, alright?

    You know what? I am bored and by the looks of it so are you! *lol* just so you know though I make a difference in everything I care passionately care for like kira and her fictions and I support her in all that she does, and I never asked for the reason behind your quick commenting to my comments just that YOU out of all people had to criticize my opinion. Context, context my friend! Even a cave man could have figured that out, sweetie.

  44. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:20:57

    Yeah, I wasn’t sure about the y’all. I don’t come from an area that uses it very oft. In fact, I’m not really sure how to proofread slang in general.

    Thanks though, that was slightly bothering me. (Not much to lose sleep over, but still)

  45. Jia
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:23:47

    But then, she's only 19 so she still has time to learn how to flame in style.

    I’d settle for proper punctuation and grammar.

  46. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:42:29

    I'm not stupid Yuki-hoe I can read between the lines, so don't context context me, and for your info I'm an honor student in all forms of literature! The only thing you seem to be advanced in is oral comprehension and you're probably right I'm sure I wouldn't be complaining if you were sucking me off, your pretty good in all things oral! Please don't tell me how my mouth will get me in trouble, just make sure you always swallow, alright?

    You know what? I am bored and by the looks of it so are you! *lol* just so you know though I make a difference in everything I care passionately care for like kira and her fictions and I support her in all that she does, and I never asked for the reason behind your quick commenting to my comments just that YOU out of all people had to criticize my opinion. Context, context my friend! Even a cave man could have figured that out, sweetie.

    You may not have asked about the quick response, but you did reference it in your criticisms. Maybe you should keep an eye on what you yourself write, hm?

    An honor student in all forms of literature I would think would have more pride, and better discipline than to resort to petty name calling and crass language. Excuse me if I doubt the veracity of your words.

    Yes I am bored. Actually, I’m just relaxed, bored is such a droll state, and I am not unhappy.

    I find it saddening when one such as you (if you are in fact an honor student) does not understand that you are only contributing to people’s ill opinion of Kira with your poor treatment of others.

    Though one’s friends do not by themselves define a person, they sure as rain make a difference when it comes to how people see you.

    May you be filled with rainbows, moonbeams and peaches and cream.

  47. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:46:16

    LOL ok now I know you mother fuckers are bored. And if you all didn’t know bitches y’all or ya’ll it doesn’t matter because it's not a word just a slang all that matters is how it's placed or said. So Jan, Jia and Yuki-hoe you can’t put a spelling check on it!! By the way I’m not 19 stupid, and Jia when you speak your mind, you don’t have to write in proper punctuation and grammar, it's just letting out what you feel. Can you understand that babe?

  48. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:09:41

    You know Yuki-hoe you make me laugh, you have it in your mind that I give a damn what you thing or feel towards me. Sorry but I don’t. And what is this non sense about name calling and crass language! What’s life without rough words to build character? What are you, a flaming mediator? Please. And any who think badly about Kira from what I've written are shallow fucking scums. But you entertain me so continue with your liberal speeches and sweet words filled with peaches and cream.

  49. (Jān)
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:10:02

    By the way I'm not 19 stupid

    That’s not what all your online profiles say. ^__^ And really, you should stick with your singing. I’ve not heard you, but it has to be better than your English.

    y'all or ya'll it doesn't matter because it's not a word just a slang all that matters is how it's placed or said

    A word is a combination of sounds or letters that means something. SDKJ is not a word. Y’all is a word. Since it is one, the way it’s spelled matters, or it’s no longer the correct word. But then, an honors student in lit would know that.

  50. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:30:03

    When I speak my mind, it is punctuated, and capitalized. Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized. Fancy that.

    Anyhow liberal is probably not the worst thing I’ve been called, but I think it is probably rather on the conservative side to be against crass language and name calling. I suppose that is a matter of opinion though.

    I don’t really care if you listen to what I am saying or not, or if you care. One assumes though, when having anything resembling a conversation, that the other person is at least paying attention to what you say. Therefore the things I say are directed at you. Big surprise there, I’m sure. You say something, and I respond to it. What a clever pattern.

    I’m not sure you even have a point to what you’re saying Krystal. If you do, you sure haven’t gotten it across.

    Please what?

    Nonsense is one word.

  51. Shiloh Walker
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:59:29

    TELL ME WHAT YOUR GOING TO DO ABOUT IT BITCH!!!!!!!

    Dear God, if this is what honor students are capable of, I fear for the country, the world, the future of medicine, the future of law, the future of science…

    Kristal, I’m really sorry. The honor student line isn’t going to fly.

    Not when you apparently can’t get simple English right.

    Any honor student would type

    TELL ME WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, BITCH!!!!!!!

    My tween knows this. Jeez, my first grader knows this. If you’re going to claim ‘honor student’ to make people feel the fool for insulting you, you have to back it up.

    Otherwise, all you’re going to do is amuse people. And I bet my next royalty check that’s all you’ve done here-amuse people.

    For some reason, I don’t think people here are going to be the least bit insulted by somebody who can’t put a sentence together.

  52. Gennita Low
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:19:55

    Shhh, Shiloh. Your inturrupting mye fun.

    (got to finish leftover popcorn somehow, right?)

  53. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:31:59

    LOL I’m glad that I have such Fans!!

    When I speak my mind, it is punctuated, and capitalized. Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized. Fancy that.

    Anyhow liberal is probably not the worst thing I've been called, but I think it is probably rather on the conservative side to be against crass language and name calling. I suppose that is a matter of opinion though.

    I don't really care if you listen to what I am saying or not, or if you care. One assumes though, when having anything resembling a conversation, that the other person is at least paying attention to what you say. Therefore the things I say are directed at you. Big surprise there, I'm sure. You say something, and I respond to it. What a clever pattern.

    I'm not sure you even have a point to what you're saying Krystal. If you do, you sure haven't gotten it across.

    Please what?

    Nonsense is one word.

    Sweetie my point is already made, see its people like you who need to be perfect at everything even when thinking-”Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized”(yeah right) -that have a problem with people like Kira, someone who isn’t completely okay.

    Of course I’m paying attention to you Yuki-hoe, it's hard to not pay attention to a buzzing fly in my ear. It's like I swat at you but you always come back for more.

    And please, if you're going to write my name spell it correctly.

    P.S. Is your BULLSHIT one word too?

    Hugs and Kisses to all my haters!! ^__*

  54. cathy
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:38:09

    lol sounds like Kira is back on a rant/rave

  55. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:48:03

    Dear Shiloh Walker,
    I don’t need to write correctly for bullshit page like this because, one it's not going to get me good grades and it's not going to get me a job.
    Please tell me what the hell a “tween” is. What are you a teacher? it really doesn’t matter because I’m a certified CCNA and a CCNP and right now I’m working to get my bachelor in pre-med and biology, so please don’t worry about my use of proper English, it got me to where I am right now and I’m proud to say I'm happy with my position and paycheck.

    Thanks Hater!

  56. Jane
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:52:54

    @Kristal: I don’t know who you are or where you came from, but you’ve been abusive long enough. Let me employ a tactic that works well for a friend of mine by the name of Karen Scott: Get the hell off my blog.

  57. Shiloh Walker
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:55:52

    Shhh, Shiloh. Your inturrupting mye fun.

    LOL… now we can’t have that, can we?

    All right, Gennita. I’ll behave.

    I’m tired anyway and this looks like it’s going to get boring really, really fast. Honestly, it would be really nice if one of these trolls ended up with a different method of madness, yes?

  58. Alice Montrose
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:16:13

    Goodness, I did not expect to wake up to this waiting for me in my inbox. Seriously, it is amazing the way it came, out of the blue more than half a year since this thread was started. I can only wonder what happened to prompt the sudden deluge.

    @Jane and Jan: I’m really sorry you had to put up with this.

    @Kristal: Please keep in mind that a typo is just that – a typo. What you are doing cannot be called a typo, but it can be called lack of proper spelling. The fact it keeps repeating itself will not help your case any.

    Oh, and a “tween”? It is a young person between 10 and 12 years of age, considered too old to be a child and too young to be a teenager. Just in case you were truly interested, which I doubt, because you could have easily looked it up in a dictionary. The fact you have not… well, it speaks for itself.

  59. Jane
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:20:03

    @Alice Montrose: Tis okay. I banned her and will be deleting any future comments that leak through. Hmm. The last person I banned was related to this thread. What’s the deal!

  60. Alice Montrose
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:25:36

    Thank you. I am not certain what the reason is, but given the previous experience we have had with kira, I only hope the spamming will not go on in other threads. I enjoy reading this blog, even if I lurk here with the best of them.

  61. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:26:46

    Ah, sorry about the name thing, it looked right to me, I guess I wasn’t paying attention too much to who you were because you sound like every other Kira supporting flamer. Well, except that you can occasionally sound somewhat rational, if we ignore the fact that ALL Kira supporters seem to miss that most of the discussion on Kira on this is purely objective, or from the standpoint of someone interested in saving someone else some money.

    I sincerely doubt any of you have read more than 2% of what is on this page, and I certainly wouldn’t believe any of you actually look at it without totally jumping the gun and accusing everyone who has ever posted here of bashing Kira.

    (By the way, coming from someone who has been bastardizing my name with the “oh so clever” use of a petty insult that has no standing on reality, complaining about me misspelling your name is really hypocritical.)

    Critics can be harsh, but they are necessary to increase the reader base of many a writer. If you are an unfortunate writer who’s personal life interferes with their business savvy, that’s your own fault, and not the fault of the critics and readers who point this out to other potential clients.

    Knowing how much you can handle is the responsibility of even bipolar people. Professionalism goes a long way.

    Integrity is a greater part of life than you might think. If you act one way most of the time, and then change your attitude whenever it doesn’t get you good grades or a job, it’s liable to affect your life later on anyhow. Despite what people say, it is never truly possible to separate work and your personal life. The way you treat people does make a difference. I would have a very hard time believing you if you claimed to treat people like sunshine normally.

    I am very sad for the future of our medical field, if someone who puts so little value in structure is entering it. Maybe I am wrong and you are just venting here to relieve the stress of a highly active schooling. If so, you sure picked a poor way to convince people of your decision making skills.

    If I am a fly, your swats just miss. If they hit, I wouldn’t very well be coming back now would I. *sigh*

    But with this I’ll leave it at that, I don’t want to wear out poor Shiloh more than necessary. As far as I’m concerned, I have nothing I need to prove. You will either learn or you wont, though I am betting on the latter.

    It continues to disappoint me that there are so many people that lack the ability to examine their own actions before accusing others.

    Throw the first stone, gamin. I am sure others will treat you with the same respect.

  62. Nadja
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 08:13:26

    Calm down dear. Have a cup of tea to steady your nerves, you sound a bit high-strung.

    Kira, if that’s you again, you’re making yourself look like an idiot. If you aren’t Kira… well. Likewise.

  63. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 09:44:59

    Why in the hell did I check my mail and find a fucking psycho on the page? Why can’t there be more naive, gentle supporters of Kira? …like me… >.>

    I can’t be the only one to exist and the others are crazy self-absorbed assholes. “You hate Kira, I hate you!!!!!!!!!! $#@!#$@!”

    :c

  64. Nadja
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:41:45

    Oh now I finally get it! This is the new cunning plan! Have this blog entry taken down by amassing obscenities in the comments! Right?

  65. (Jān)
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:43:52

    This user has been banned, no matter what email she posts from. It’s best to just ignore her at this point, because she only wants attention. This morning she posted from a high school. That should tell you everything right there.

  66. (Jān)
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:54:14

    Well then, I think they’d be very interested in learning what you’ve been up to with your working time. I’ve just sent off copies of your comments to the appropriate administrators. :)

  67. cathy
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 12:14:50

    wow, kira has lost her mind, im sure. The same typing style, the same similar insults with the anger in the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111shift….typical kira style. Grow up hon, we know business is slow, and your google searches lead us and others to this forum and other people who were shafted by you.

  68. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 15:44:52

    o.o! Are you guys talking about me? I just ask that because you guys were commenting before I did and should have read that ‘Kristal’ was banned.. and then Jan posted that “this user has been banned, no matter what email she posts from”

    Do I sound like Kira?

  69. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 15:49:46

    D: My comments are awaiting moderation?! That’s never happened before… You guys really think I’m Kira? Did whoever who had reported me, if I was reported (and my comments have always been moderated while I wasn’t paying attention XD), read my message? I tried making it as anti-Kristal as possible without judging too much…

    ^^; Didn’t expect this to happen. I guess crass language gets you on the boo-list fast. Sorry about that, but, dammit, I’m tired of people… >_>…Like Kristal.

  70. Alice Montrose
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 22:42:57

    @Shinashi: I believe it was Krystal who was banned, not you.

  71. Ann Somerville
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 23:08:35

    I believe it was Krystal who was banned, not you.

    Unless…

    dund-a-dun….

    They’re the same person.

    Nah. Must be my suspicious mind playing tricks. I’m sure KirakrysShinashi are all different people.

  72. Mrs Giggles
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 00:36:34

    What I want to know is, are all these people really Japanese or do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    Signed,

    Gigli Ayumisukiyaki

  73. Ann Somerville
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 02:00:14

    @Gigli Ayumisukiyaki:

    do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    Got it in one :)

  74. (Jān)
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 05:24:54

    What I want to know is, are all these people really Japanese or do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    No more so than any other online pseudonym. ;) It’s generally a sign of affection that says something about what they enjoy, much like all the Ja(y)nes names refer back to Jane Austen, including mine.

  75. Shinashi
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 11:07:17

    @Alice Montrose: Exactly! I’ve been here for a long time. First as a Kira supporter, and then a hater of those who riled this place up with stupid crap! Max and Kristal and some other person comes along and they all end up as Kira. If I was Kira- what am I? Her little sweet side that says ‘don’t trust Kira too much, but don’t be too hard on her’? The ‘Kira’s unstable but is a great writer- so don’t expect too much’ side?

    @Ann: Of all the people I would’ve expected to question my credibility, I never expected you to… You were the one who viewed me as the most sincere supporter, remember? Do you remember? Or do you now think that every supporter that comes here now is some manic part of Kira trying to change you over to her side… Your mind is playing tricks on you.

    @Mrs Giggles: Shinashi…is the name of a famous female kickboxer…. and is the combination of the names of two characters… All Japanese of course… I’m sorry I’m not using my real name… Though I really feel at odds explaining myself to you, whose name is Mrs. Giggles. And for a page full of such mature persons, to point out a specific set of names for your own amusement just seems childish to me. If I came here with the nickname MacabrePoe, would everything be different?

    @DoubtingAnnAgain: Ditto.

    @Jane: I’m not mad at you.

    I guess I can come to the conclusion that NO ONE read my message without bias. You saw exclamations points and some curse words and immediately thought KIRA- IT’S KIRA IN HIDING AGAIN!!!!!

    Though I’ve been here IN THE BEGINNING! You can even get her second freaking book and see my name as one of the little editors unless you all believe that each of those editors is actually Kira in disguise! I even have a livejournal and little writing accounts in various places- Kira must be friggin’ schizophrenic to have made up.

  76. Shinashi
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 11:15:54

    I read my message, but it doesn’t seem to portray even a piece of the anger and hurt I feel.

    But I did want to make sure that Jane, though you were one of the first to discredit me, knows that I highly appreciate her explanation. Well, I appreciate your explanation, haha. I doubt anyone will ever believe anything I say again. And if just my name, which will never ever be Kira or Kristal or Max or anything crazy, which I’ve had FOR YEARS and no one has taken up FOR YEARS, is mine, that’s fine with me.

    I guess I’m like John Proctor- “At least, let me have my name!”

  77. jenj89
    Dec 13, 2008 @ 05:39:48

    Anyone know what happened to the kirafics2 yahoo-group? It’s gone.

  78. Ann Somerville
    Dec 13, 2008 @ 06:04:06

    Or do you now think that every supporter that comes here now is some manic part of Kira trying to change you over to her side…

    Frankly, yes. At this point, certainly.

    I even have a livejournal and little writing accounts in various places- Kira must be friggin' schizophrenic to have made up.

    Um, well, she apparently has done that kind of thing. And she’s deluged this post with sockpuppeting.

    Anyone can use the name ‘Shinashi’. Looking at the style of your earlier comments and your later ones, I’m not convinced they’re made by the same people. Certainly your sudden reappearance after so long, and after the trolls came back, is suspicious, as is the tone of your message at 275.

    I honestly don’t care. What all of you fail to realise is that none of this is helping Kira’s return to what she might call normality, or anyone to move on. It’s picking at a nasty scab, and stopping it healing, while exposing some very unpleasant material underneath.

    Do everyone a favour, and shut up about Kira, okay? We’re sick of her, her supporters, and her naysayers. The issue has been done to death. Everyone but her has moved on. What’s not going to happen is this post being taken down. She, like me, like everyone else whoever made an arse of themselves on the internet, just has to put it behind her and get on with her life. Everytime someone posts to this thread, it goes to the front page and into people’s inboxes, and keeps it fresh in Google and in people’s thoughts. Let it die.

  79. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 00:07:24

    I apologize to anyone whose account I’m running up. But this has to be cleared, or else my name will be gone forever.

    Do everyone a favour, and shut up about Kira, okay? We're sick of her, her supporters, and her naysayers. The issue has been done to death. Everyone but her has moved on. What's not going to happen is this post being taken down. She, like me, like everyone else whoever made an arse of themselves on the internet, just has to put it behind her and get on with her life. Everytime someone posts to this thread, it goes to the front page and into people's inboxes, and keeps it fresh in Google and in people's thoughts. Let it die.

    I don’t care about Kira! This has nothing to do with Kira. I don’t want to be called Kira, because I am not Kira. I don’t want people to go onto livejournal, or adultfanfiction, or anywhere else where I’ve had my nickname Shinashi and say- hey, don’t listen to her, or read her messages: It’s Kira in disguise. If I get a review on one of my stories asking “Are you really, Kira?”, I’m going to be upset.

    Frankly, yes. At this point, certainly.

    I called Kristal an ‘effin psycho! I was on your side. How could anything I have said be anymore convincing you to go over to her side? I was annoyed with Kristal – a lot. I didn’t think there would be ever any more messages, and here comes the complete psycho. This gives me a bad name, for supporting Kira or whatever, because people are going to see my interests here or there and call me one of Kira’s obscene flunkies- and I’m not like that.

    Anyone can use the name ‘Shinashi'. Looking at the style of your earlier comments and your later ones, I'm not convinced they're made by the same people. Certainly your sudden reappearance after so long, and after the trolls came back, is suspicious, as is the tone of your message at 275

    And what about you? At first, you were the adult mature person, explaining exactly how a business was to be run, teaching me exactly how you feel, and now you’re just a sarcastic know-it-all. And what do you mean my sudden reappearance? I believe that every time there was an upstart in this blog, I’ve said something- negative. This sucks, or don’t subscribe to her for awhile, stuff of that nature. My tone? You mean my sweet listening tone to an absolutely aggravated tone with a few curse words to the defensive tone I took when all of you destroyed my name ? I’m sorry my words sound so different when I feel different!

    Miss Ann, I really don’t think you’re listening to reason. Have you seen my livejournal or any of my writing accounts? And what about my editor comment? You can search my email ‘shinashichan’ at yahoo on myspace and you’ll find some black young woman that lives 300 miles from Florida.

    This is not about Kira, this about my name being unfairly entangled with hers. I don’t see why you keep bringing up the ‘Kira issue’ when I’m clearly explaining on how I’m not Kira- and that’s it. This has nothing to do with Kristal anymore or Kira or Max or whoever the heck else. This has to do with me being Shinashi, the name Shinashi is mine. Yes, anyone can use the name Shinashi, but you can go anywhere on the internet and set up a login account- You will never see Shinashi. You can search Shinashi on yahoo or google and all you will find will be my writing accounts, my journals, and Satoko Shinashi, the kickboxer.

  80. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 00:12:27

    Again, I’m sorry for running up people’s account.

    Why in the hell did I check my mail and find a fucking psycho on the page? Why can't there be more naive, gentle supporters of Kira? …like me… >.>

    I can't be the only one to exist and the others are crazy self-absorbed assholes. “You hate Kira, I hate you!!!!!!!!!! $#@!#$@!”

    :c

    I just don’t get it! I just don’t see how I can be Kira in saying this. I’m calling Kira/Kristal a self-absorbed asshole….Wow, if this is how people are going to rally up supporters I fear for 2012 campaign ads.

  81. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 02:20:06

    Anyone know what happened to the kirafics2 yahoo-group? It's gone.

    It’s gone, gone? Or are you just not getting emails? I haven’t been looking, but I have realized that I’m not getting anymore emails.

    Either way- if you’re not getting emails, but the group exists, she might’ve just removed you from her group- especially if you’re not a subscriber. If the group’s gone, gone, she might’ve just moved herself and all of her subscribers and stuff to her website.

    I’m only guessing this because I read some time ago about her removing the group and giving out updates only on her journal- which you have access to when you subscribe. I would look into it, but it is 2:19 a.m. and I have work tomorrow. :D Email me if you like; it’s above the message I sent before this one.

  82. jenj89
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 07:02:43

    The group is gone, as in “Group Not Found”. It’s just idle curiosity on my part, so no need to investigate further, but thank you anyway!

  83. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 21, 2008 @ 23:57:09

    Goodness. I find it hard to believe there’s still a conversation going on at this site. What in the world do you all still have to talk about?

    This is my first visit here in ages, and I had expected to find the conversation stopped around where I left, which was shortly after my last post. I confess I didn’t read all the posts–there were too many! I have no idea why any of you would find me an interesting topic of discussion.

    I did want to clarify that I have NOT been posting here. You ought to give those persons who you have been accusing as being ME, some credit and stop associating them with me, as it’s clear they find this deeply offensive.

    Frankly I could care less if anyone comes to my defense. I know the truth of my situation, and I know the truth about many of you. It must be irritating that all your groaning about me has only made me BIGGER, from a business perspective.

    Actually I came to thank you all. Since this page came up, my customer base TRIPLED. So my initial angst over the site was all for naught; apparently bad publicity is comparable to good publicity when it comes down to business. I’m not laughing at you, honestly–but the irony is so beautiful.

    I did also want to issue a formal apology for anyone who was hurt or inconvenienced by anything I did, before or after my religious conversion and subsequent/concurrent mania. I particularly apologize to this site, for sending my suicide note to you that day (“spamming” your site, as you put it). I realize I wasn’t thinking clearly by planning some grand online suicide, but I had hit the bottom of the barrel. You see, then, I really did care what people thought of me.

    Now I don’t care. Yes, I HAVE moved on…but apparently none of you have.

    And I should thank you too, for my life. If you hadn’t notified Esther, she wouldn’t have called that swat team, and this site would have been the subject of great scrutiny when the video was released. Fortunately, I was able to get the help I needed and, God willing, will never again be in such a grim state of mind. One thing I can be sure of–I will NEVER take my own life merely because of what others think of me.

    Some of you appear to be great enemies of mine, and yet I don’t even know you–you were never even members of my site. I find that odd. Why would anyone devote so much time, energy, and emotion for someone you don’t even know? Why even have an opinion?

    For the record, I forgive everyone here for anything bad (whether true or untrue) you may have said about me. The sad part is, I’m sure many of you are awesome people, some of you perhaps even very good writers, and we might have even had something in common. We might have been friends. But for whatever reason you have decided to cast all the evils of the world on me and my name. That is your choice.

    Just remember that there is One who sees all things and we will all be one day judged for all that we do.

    One last thing. Please, PLEASE…do keep this page up. The business is absolutely wonderful!

  84. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 01:50:24

    The fact that you are posting here is proof enough that you do indeed care about what’s being said. And you found out one of 2 ways. You have been stalking this forum like a hawk, or some one else has told you of the situation and you are pretending to shrug it off.

    You did a lot of people dirty, and they (yes me included) tried to defend you as well as your company, as I was there from the very beginning. We gave you numerous chances only to be lied to and stabbed in the back. You did it to everyone kira. When you had the first outbreak we knew you were sick and we helped. But then you were *sane* and told us that you didnt need us?

    You can try reverse psychology all you want. The page needs to be here to let people know what type of person you are, ill or otherwise. So you do not take thier hard derserved time, money, emotions and efforts and use it on a random *spaz attack*

    Some of the people who were there gave up a lot for you. And quiet frankly, the only ones who are now in your corner are kids who have nothing else to do but try and defend something/someone they have yet to understand. Because lets face it, those who are in your corner can only throw around nasty words in your defense because they do not have anything invested in you but a couple of books

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi
    You use your illness to justify what you have done, and you are dead wrong.
    If this doesnt bother you then do not respond

  85. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:04:14

    Cathy,

    I think that no one should be denied their humanity. People may do inhuman things, but it still remains that they are human, and fallible.

    Using illness to justify things is wrong, not taking responsibility for your actions is wrong, but taunting someone like you just have is a little crass.

    I think it goes unsaid that since Kira posted here she obviously has some interest in what is going on.

  86. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:45:34

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi

    Cathy, I understand that this situation upset you but it’s wrong to say this of anyone, no matter what she’s done.

    Kira may not believe this, but all of us wish she really would get better and move on. I’ve not been paying attention to her, only to her silly fans who comment here, so her post reads more like one of those Christmas letters that I get from a rarely-seen cousin every year telling about all the things her children have done. tl;dr, and as my eyes glaze over I shrug my shoulders and wish her well. We’ll know that she really has put this behind her when she no longer feels she has to post here.

  87. Lafayette
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:49:12

    Oh boy, just in time for the Holidays, it seems the crazy train is up and running and full speed ahead into Crazy Town!!!

    I swear, I keep this site in my faves because you can’t pay for entertainment like this!!! Oh the Drama!!! Is Kira stalking this blog, are some of the posts Kira supporters or Kira herself???? Hell, all you have to do is tune in next time….

    The madness rules supreme!! What can I say, Kira’s Bi-polar, no doubt about it. And it shows in her raves!! Just take a peek at her online journal, (look for it under the links at the yaoihouse) it would make a psych student proud.

    Guess what she did erase her Yahoo Group!! 1 down and more to go. At some point hopefully soon, she’ll get tired of being an attention whore. I saw the previous post from the crazy herself where she thanks this site for the revenue to her site. Now who’s the crazy, those that actually pay for her insane writing samples or the fact she still has a website???

    I guess from her blog, it seems she has admitted that Esther is no longer with her, and its gonna be a one woman crazy show from now on cause quote

    “I should formally announce that Esther (and Sarah, who you never met) are no longer with me at this point, as I have decided I can only afford to pay for my own salary and don't have the resources to pay others for work as well. Maybe that will change down the road, but for now I am going it alone. So, please don't email either one, as they apparently don't want to be contacted, and I don't want them to become annoyed with emails.

    OMG you can’t make this shit up, people help her and she just spits in their face. Gotta love the masochists.

    Well I fed the trolls long enough, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Kira/NonKira raving LOL!!!

  88. Ann Somerville
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 03:23:57

    all of us wish she really would get better and move on

    Yes. Very much so.

    And inasmuch as this looks worryingly like the start of another manic episode with the references to religion and so on, I think taunting and provoking Kira as Lafayette is doing, is not just mean, but literally dangerous.

    Leave her alone, ignore her posts, and if anyone is reading this who has the influence, try and encourage her to seek help. This is no longer about a failed business venture, which most of the original participants have long since moved past, but about a mentally ill person, and doing anything to encourage paranoia or feelings of worthlessness is beyond unkind.

  89. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 11:36:54

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi

    Now, let me get this straight. Your position is that, because I stopped writing for a period of approximately six weeks and inconvenienced some people by having them apply for refunds, that I, therefore, am no longer a human being?

    Do you seriously not see how absurd such a stance is? Say what you will of me, when I knew I needed help, I sought and got treatment. You have a serious problem. What is it that you lack, that makes you lash out so at others? What is missing in your life?

    If this doesnt bother you then do not respond

    I will respond to whatever posts I choose. YOU will not dictate to me when I will respond or not. Perhaps you hoped I would let your idiotic remarks pass by without calling you out on it. You were wrong.

  90. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 11:50:20

    OMG you can't make this shit up, people help her and she just spits in their face.

    Thank you for sharing a quote from my personal blog, which I have stated numerous times is forbidden to do. It is not only forbidden, it is downright rude. It is nice to know that you have nothing better to do than hang around my site when you clearly are there for nefarious reasons.

    For your information, I have not “spit” in anyone’s face. Esther is to receive 20% of my profits, and Sarah another 15%! How is giving them money for DOING NOTHING, from here on out, spitting in their faces? I simply removed them from access to my personal email, for reasons I will not discuss here, and I did not want Esther, in particular, to continue doing work (and she did FABULOUS work for me) that I couldn’t reimburse her for. I’m making a living on my writing but I don’t have enough extra for a second salary. I can’t, in good faith, accept someone’s help when I can’t reimburse them properly for it. It was Esther’s choice, after that, to completely walk away, and I haven’t heard from Sarah.

    I also want to be solely accountable for my company. That is why I want no one else legally involved. Those percentages will come out of my own pocket but they will be the equivalent of legal shares, just without being part of the Operating Agreement (which has not yet been signed). I did not want to rush into signing anything until I felt comfortable with the arrangement at hand.

    But none of that is any of your business.

  91. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:24:40

    Yes. Very much so.

    And inasmuch as this looks worryingly like the start of another manic episode with the references to religion and so on, I think taunting and provoking Kira as Lafayette is doing, is not just mean, but literally dangerous.

    Leave her alone, ignore her posts, and if anyone is reading this who has the influence, try and encourage her to seek help. This is no longer about a failed business venture, which most of the original participants have long since moved past, but about a mentally ill person, and doing anything to encourage paranoia or feelings of worthlessness is beyond unkind.

    *Blinks* What? Such loving kindness coming from you, Ann? I’m touched.

    Explain to me how it is that any of you may post whatever you like, saying the most hateful, egregious things, but when I post in my defense, I am promptly labeled as “manic”. I am not manic. I am doing very well, thank you. In fact, my psychiatrist has suggested I reduce my meds, and I agree. I have been stable for some time. You obviously do not understand what mania is, if you believe a calm, rational post is mania. If I post something without any periods and in all caps, you will know I am manic.

    Talking about God does not make one manic. However, you are correct that, at least for me, in the past there has been an association with strong conversion experiences and subsequent manic episodes. I believe the emotion launches the mania.

    Now, however, I cannot be launched into a mania, simply because my chemistry forbids it. That is the wonderful thing about being bipolar in the twenty-first century–medications can control it. When I think of Beethoven or Van Gogh or other artists said to be bipolar, I wonder how they survived.

    It is true that, of late, I have been thinking a lot about life and where I will be after death, and that I want to be sure I am with my Father in heaven. It is also true that I have some of the same doubts about my writing now that I did back in the spring. But that has been a constant worry, my fear that what I am writing is somehow immoral or displeasing to God. I go round and round on it, loving my stories and yet worrying that they are morally wrong. There is no question I have a penchant for the perverted and enjoy the celebration of carnal activities via the written word. It is perhaps sinful enough that I what I write titillates, or is intended to do so. The question I grapple with is that of homosexuality and whether it is wrong in the eyes of God. I had always assumed that the key thing that matters is whether or not a couple love each other. But I can find no Scriptures to support my view, and this makes me nervous.

    But as I said, this is an ongoing struggle, not a manic-induced obsession. Thankfully, I do not have feelings of worthlessness, as I did earlier this summer when I happened on this site and nearly killed myself over it. The parts up to that episode I read over and over, sinking deeper and deeper into despair. But I have read little of this site since.

    I know that I am a beautiful human being, just like each of you. I know that I have my faults and my strengths, just as we all have. I know that I have done nothing that merits some of the treatment I have been getting. I am not a baby-killer or a cannibal. I am just a writer, trying to make my way in this world same as anyone, and trying to discern right from wrong, and to privately come to some answers about life’s biggest questions.

    And I am serious about keeping this page up. I was able to move to full-time writing and now support myself that way. I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake. Although I suppose I should take some credit for my success myself, it’s hard to believe my subscription count could have skyrocketed like it has based on my my writing alone. I mean, I know I’m not the greatest writer out there, nor have I ever claimed to be.

    Anyway, it was nice of you, Ann, (and smart) to recognize that mental illness is nothing to scoff at. You don’t poke at the bear and not expect to get bit. However, it is not necessary to be concerned.

    I am puzzled, however, as to why this site continues to generate traffic. What exactly is it that some of you are still so angry and hostile about? Perhaps if I understood specifically what your objections are, we could come to some sort of mutually agreeable resolution.

  92. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:33:13

    I'm only guessing this because I read some time ago about her removing the group and giving out updates only on her journal- which you have access to when you subscribe.

    That is correct. I will be giving notifications about updates and all news on my site, in the restricted area only, most likely just in the Journal area. I hadn’t been using the Kirafics group to post anything recently and no one else was using it so I got rid of it.

  93. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:44:04

    I don't care about Kira! This has nothing to do with Kira. I don't want to be called Kira, because I am not Kira.

    I’m sorry, Shinashi, that folks are being so rude and inconsiderate to you. Of course I know you, though I doubt that makes you feel much better to know that the one person who acknowledges you is me!

    The Admins know perfectly well you and I can’t be the same person because we wouldn’t have the same IPs. So I am not sure why they allow such a silly discussion to continue.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    If it makes you feel better, some your answers made me laugh so hard I snorted pop up my nose!

    Hey, email me…do you have access to my site? If not (or if so, for that matter) I’ll give it to you for free, just for having to put up with this foolishness. I’m at [email protected].

  94. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:46:07

    You did a lot of people dirty, and they (yes me included) tried to defend you as well as your company, as I was there from the very beginning. We gave you numerous chances only to be lied to and stabbed in the back. You did it to everyone kira. When you had the first outbreak we knew you were sick and we helped. But then you were *sane* and told us that you didnt need us?

    What in the world are you talking about? Who are you?

  95. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:59:22

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!! THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA'LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!!NO ONE WITH A RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON SOMEONE THEY DON'T LIkE!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR BOOKS ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON'T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    Okay as amusing as I found this, it really doesn’t help me out too much. Honestly, I do appreciate the sentiment. It’s just that posts like this only serve to inflame others.

    Let me state this now and hopefully put an end to some of this: I don’t need anyone to defend me. I can defend myself, if I find it necessary. If you post here in my defense, you will be ruthlessly attacked. It is like jumping into a shark-tank with a blood-smeared skinsuit on. You can expect to be insulted.

    So, please, everyone–while of course anyone is free to post here, I would nevertheless urge you not to do so, if you are trying to defend me. There is a lot of anger and hostility here, and sometimes that masks real hurt. I would like to have a face-to-face conversation here with my accusers and see if I can determine what exactly you are still angry about, so that we can come to some resolution or perhaps, if applicable, restitution.

    But this needs to be my battle. For all of you who have braved this page for my sake, thank you for your efforts. I know you meant well. But let me take over, from this point on.

  96. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 13:17:59

    You obviously do not understand what mania is, if you believe a calm, rational post is mania. If I post something without any periods and in all caps, you will know I am manic.

    Being manic would in no way make you type in caps. I have no idea how you would get the notion that you can actually tell someones mood from typed conversation. Such things are infamous for being misleading.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    This is just blatantly untrue. Your taking the opinions and words of just a few that post here and attributing it to the whole. Things like this are what convince people you may be manic. It’s a gross exaggeration.

    To take only the comments that are derogatory (Which isn’t even half of them by the way) is conceited, and self centered.

    Many of us here don’t even really care about you a fig. I certainly don’t. I don’t dislike you, but after coming here and having personal experiences (Not bashing, just personal experiences) related on buying stuff from your previous business setup, I made an informed decision not to buy your fiction.

    It is a real pity, because I found what I could see of it without paying rather interesting. This has nothing to do with people hating you though, it is a fault of your own for at the time damaging the faith of your clients.

    I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake.

    Was this even necessary? I am confused by your need to say something that sounds so much like “Ha Ha, I’m doing well so ‘thhhhpppp’!”

    I am puzzled, however, as to why this site continues to generate traffic. What exactly is it that some of you are still so angry and hostile about?

    Recently the only people coming here and starting up nonsense are some anti-anti-kira fanatics (or perhaps just bored flamers) who show up to say we’re all stupid, and we should stop talking crap. Of course they ignore the fact that there hadn’t been any posts in months, and they ignore pretty much all the context of the posts, so at least on my part I feel the need to disabuse them of their inconsistencies. Maybe I shouldn’t bother, but I like at least a good portion of the people that post semi-often here and I can’t say that I don’t like to hear and participate what they say.

  97. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 14:02:54

    Being manic would in no way make you type in caps. I have no idea how you would get the notion that you can actually tell someones mood from typed conversation. Such things are infamous for being misleading.

    I repeat: you obviously have no useful experience with someone who is manic. Mania causes intense excitement and convoluted, stream-of-consciousness styled communication. Hence my warning to look for a post “without periods”. You can most certainly tell, at least sometimes, from a person’s speech and written word whether they are in a manic state or not.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    This is just blatantly untrue. Your taking the opinions and words of just a few that post here and attributing it to the whole. Things like this are what convince people you may be manic. It's a gross exaggeration.

    How would someone making a gross exaggeration in any way mean that person was manic? Again, do some research on the subject before you make unfounded proclamations. My characterization of this page is certainly fair. The majority of posts here attack me, plain and simple. Therefore it is fair to say this is an Anti-Kira page.

    To take only the comments that are derogatory (Which isn't even half of them by the way) is conceited, and self centered.

    This doesn’t even make sense. How would overlooking any flattering comments make me conceited and self-centered? I recommend you take a course in logic.

    Many of us here don't even really care about you a fig. I certainly don't.

    Then why on EARTH do you spend so much time here? Strange person!

    I don't dislike you, but after coming here and having personal experiences (Not bashing, just personal experiences) related on buying stuff from your previous business setup, I made an informed decision not to buy your fiction.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Please be specific rather than make veiled, vague accusations. And whether or not you purchase my fiction makes no difference to me. It still doesn’t explain your almost obsessive presence on this site.

    It is a real pity, because I found what I could see of it without paying rather interesting. This has nothing to do with people hating you though, it is a fault of your own for at the time damaging the faith of your clients.

    Nope. You’re wrong. There’s real hate here. Satan himself rules this page. And the majority of real haters aren’t clients, they are writers who haven’t read anything I’ve ever written, or else people like you who have nothing better to do and aren’t even involved, or else authors who had to make big, dramatic fusses about imaginary books they never even finished for Yaoi House, or else those who hoped to strike it rich when I initially appeared to abandon my enterprise and were disappointed when I took my stories back.

    I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake.

    Was this even necessary? I am confused by your need to say something that sounds so much like “Ha Ha, I'm doing well so ‘thhhhpppp'!”

    Uh, no. Did you even read the post? I was making a point that I’m attributing part of my success to this page, since surely it can’t be my own fiction that has earned me so many new members.

    Recently the only people coming here and starting up nonsense are some anti-anti-kira fanatics (or perhaps just bored flamers) who show up to say we're all stupid, and we should stop talking crap. Of course they ignore the fact that there hadn't been any posts in months, and they ignore pretty much all the context of the posts, so at least on my part I feel the need to disabuse them of their inconsistencies.

    Try reading the bizarre recent post from “Cathy” — and I know no Cathys, by the way.

    Maybe I shouldn't bother, but I like at least a good portion of the people that post semi-often here and I can't say that I don't like to hear and participate what they say.

    So, because you have nothing better to do, you amuse yourself by posting on a board about a person you don’t even care about? Yeah, that makes sense.

  98. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 15:01:11

    I do have experience with manic people, as it runs in my family. In no way does it compel someone to write badly and forgo periods. I can agree that it affects speech. It does not compel one to write badly, I repeat, such a thing is influenced only by bad habits and choices to do so. Hitting the caps lock key is a choice, not an emotion. Saying that capitalizing is a proven manic behavior is like saying depressed people always cut off their ears.

    Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won’t criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don’t belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it’s just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

    “Nothing better to do” is a little harsh. I simply check my email. It takes less than five minutes to respond. I am at my computer for the majority of my day.

    Those that speak up because of their ‘imaginary books’ or whatever are just as entitled to do so as you clearly feel you are. They were involved in the Yaoi House LLC which is in truth what this site is about, not just you.

    I never said anything about you overlooking flattering comments. You assuming that was what I meant is only supportive of my claim that your actions are conceited. There are comments here that are neither flattering or derogatory. Critical opinions are not derogatory, by the way. Derogatory is a term usually reserved for intentionally disrespectful abuse. The aim of the commentary on this site is not for or against you. The original post is a review on the Yaoi House LLC, actions committed by it, (in which you were obviously a very involved party), and opinions of the poster on what they mean. People afterward either agreed or disagreed, had further questions concerning these events, and gave answers to those that had questions.

    Thinking that all that is about bashing you is conceited. I don’t really think I can be more clear about that but take it as you will, look for flaws in my argument and take it apart to make yourself look better. It’s not like it’s an uncommon behavior online to do so, I doubt anyone would find it unexpected.

    Since this site is not something I spend countless hours on, I feel no need to re-read the entire thing every time I want to pick out an example of something I am saying. You’ll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone. (Of course you could take the other option of criticizing me, but I think that would be in poor favor, because I have not insulted you, only questioned the nature of your actions.)

    While I don’t care about you, that is not to say that I am not affected by your actions. I do not dislike you enough to ignore you, or wish you ill. I would not though, be influenced to do something that inconvenienced me for your sake, which is what I mean in terms of caring.

    There are many people (if you read from the top) that are not haters, there are quite a few visitors that have just had honest questions to those who did have experience with the purchasing of your materials. There are both disappointed parties and satisfied ones.

    I don’t understand why you would say my presence is obsessive. You have certainly posted here more times than I.

    I do not think that it is strange for you to come here and say your piece, but the fact that you feel the need to claim a lot of your success is due to this site really feels like you’re trying to thumb your nose at the people here. I don’t understand the purpose if not to gloat that you’ve succeeded despite what you perceived as attempts to bring you down. This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I’ve changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can’t claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

    What I’ve gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

    Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

  99. Ann Somerville’s Journal » Blog Archive » Reverse psychology doesn’t work all that well, actually
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 15:42:13

    [...] Kira Takenouchi, Dec 21, 2008: Actually I came to thank you all. Since this page came up, my customer base TRIPLED. So my initial angst over the site was all for naught; apparently bad publicity is comparable to good publicity when it comes down to business. I'm not laughing at you, honestly-but the irony is so beautiful. [...]

  100. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:02:01

    Saying that capitalizing is a proven manic behavior is like saying depressed people always cut off their ears.

    I didn’t say that capitalizing was a proven manic behavior. Stop twisting my words.

    Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won't criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don't belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it's just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

    Not only have I taken logic, one of my husbands taught it. But Satan has nothing to do with logic. Good and evil are absolute truths, not logical arguments. I did not literally mean that the site is “possessed”, but Satan is indeed here. Anger, malice, envy, cruelty, arrogance, pride, rudeness, contempt–all these come from him, and this page abounds with examples. I wasn’t using Satan “as an argument,” I was simply stating a fact: HE IS HERE.

    If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and accept him as your Savior, you belong to Satan. The Scriptures are very clear on this, as well as what your fate is: you will be judged by our Almighty God after your death and then tormented forever in hell, the place prepared for Satan and his angels. I would not wish such a fate on even my worst enemy or the cruelest poster on this page. Whether or not you “believe” this is true will not matter–that is your fate if you refuse to acknowledge that Christ is the Lord.

    Conversely, if you accept Jesus and obey his teachings, you will have eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Scriptures are very clear about that, too.

    I could not let this opportunity pass without making that important point clear. In fact, it is the most important thing that has been said on this site.

    You'll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone.

    I pick C, care less, since you obviously have no concrete accusations.

    This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I've changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can't claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

    I’m sorry, what actions? I have no idea what you’re referring to.

    What I've gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

    Again, what are you talking about? What actions? You’re not making any sense. As far as “convincing” people that I have changed, why would I want to do that? I haven’t done anything intentionally wrong. I can’t help that I was ill for awhile. I only gave a blanket “apology” to anyone who might have been inconvenienced, in order to be friendly, not because I felt like I did anything wrong.

    Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

    Again, what actions? You perplex me. How are my actions suspect? What actions? As for accepting my success, I do accept it, and I deserve it, though I admit I have been more successful than even I ever dreamed. However, I see no reason to allow folks to continue to post about me without calling them out. So from here on out, that is what I will do. I suspect most of you are cowards and hiding behind aliases because you don’t dare accuse me to my face, like Lafayette.

  101. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:13:08

    wow you are a nut

  102. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:18:51

    In both cases, the assumption is that the motivation is to damage someone's livelihood, when in reality, it's to expose unprofessional behaviour that's hurting other people. Kira's mentally ill.

    Being mentally ill is not unprofessional behavior; it is an illness, the same as cancer or diabetes. I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness. It wasn’t actually necessary, since everyone already knew I was bipolar.

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Whether or not you intended to destroy my livelihood, I don’t know: the fact of the matter is that you failed utterly to do so. I do not, in fact, have a “failed business”, I have a thriving business.

    Please, keep writing about me, I love the free advertising!

  103. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:20:40

    wow you are a nut

    ? That’s it? That’s the best you can come up with? *looks at watch* Go ahead, I’ve got time. See if you can come up with something more intelligent to say than that.

  104. Ann Somerville
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:26:36

    I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness.

    Kira, my post isn’t about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

    However, if you had read the post below that, you’d see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It’s not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

    My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

    Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you’re being vicious. There’s nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who’s sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

  105. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:30:13

    The thing with you, is you think its a game. you are a horrible person and you use an illness as a way to get by in life. Im not trying to make a comeback at you.
    We see you for who you truely are. You are a sick person who ‘thinks’ she is winning on a forum.

    “arguing over the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded”

    You think by responding to everyone’s post that you are winning? That boasting about business and a home your are special? Trust me you’re not, Dear. You said that you would not be replying to the thread anymore, yet you do lol.
    You seem to be losing plenty of sleep over this forum. Please try not to have another mania attack, even though there wouldnt be much of a difference at this point

  106. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:30:59

    ok I will stop sorry Ann got the comment too late

  107. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:33:01

    Cathy and Yukiko and others, I’d like to add my plea to Ann’s. While we rarely censor people and try to always allow them to speak their minds, please do consider what’s going on here, and that this has degenerated into something other than a discussion that serves any good purpose.

  108. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:36:43

    Kira, my post isn't about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

    Interesting. You quoted me and then announced I was mentally ill. I guess that was just the openers to your article.

    However, if you had read the post below that, you'd see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It's not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

    I know that. However you certainly never gave me credit before–you even doubted that I was bipolar. Why the sudden change?

    My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

    I just decided I’m going to put an end to the lies you all post on this site, so I will be answering every single accusation posted here. I’ve been to the doctor, thank you, and she agrees I am well.

    Just because I care about your soul doesn’t make mean I’m having a psychological episode.

    Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you're being vicious. There's nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who's sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

    Um, I’m not going through any crisis, here. Just not letting any more ridiculous posts go through to this site without calling people out. If you all are allowed to accuse me of whatever comes to mind, I am allowed to defend myself.

    However, your concern for the mentally ill is…commendable, and truly touching. *wipes tear from eye* Let me guess. You finally got a diagnosis yourself so you’ve changed your view on my situation.

    Sarcasm aside, I’m glad you do understand, though I’m sorry if you experience such torment yourself.

  109. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:41:09

    The thing with you, is you think its a game. you are a horrible person and you use an illness as a way to get by in life.

    Gee, you’re a really swell human being, too. You know what? Even though you said such a terrible thing to me, at least this time you acknowledged that I’m a human being. So I’ve gone up a notch in your eyes.

    What do you mean I “use illness as a way to get by in life”? I’ve never heard anything so absurd. My illness is what makes it difficult for me to get by, not my crutch! Can you really be that ignorant about the subject?

  110. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:43:06

    Cathy and Yukiko and others, I'd like to add my plea to Ann's. While we rarely censor people and try to always allow them to speak their minds, please do consider what's going on here, and that this has degenerated into something other than a discussion that serves any good purpose.

    Interesting how only when I finally come on the board to defend myself does the discussion suddenly have to stop.

  111. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:51:10

    Kira, I didn’t ask discussion to come to a halt. Everyone here is free to discuss this until the cows come home. I merely asked those posting inflaming comments to consider their words, and to what purpose they’re posting.

  112. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:55:48

    Kira, I didn't ask discussion to come to a halt. Everyone here is free to discuss this until the cows come home. I merely asked those posting inflaming comments to consider their words, and to what purpose they're posting.

    Well then. When you put it that way, I think what you say is very wise. How easy it is to forget that a real live person is on the other side of the screen. Because, despite what Cathy says, I do not think this is a game.

  113. Becca Abbott
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 17:00:32

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you’ll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation — as if I had any control over your behavior.

    You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse, broke into personal email accounts, openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior, did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition, made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you, spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note — the list is really quite impressive.

    Now, suddenly, you’re back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression, trying to rewrite history, making claims for your business you can’t support, and so on. I agree with others: this isn’t your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I’d wish you good luck but….nah.

  114. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 17:18:04

    by Becca Abbott December 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm Reply to this comment

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you'll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation -’ as if I had any control over your behavior.

    What are you talking about? I know of only one or two individuals who were not refunded before Yaoi Underground went bankrupt. Forward me these “emails” so I can deal with them.

    You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse,

    How was I screwing over anyone when you all plotted together to have Harial publish your books rather than me?

    broke into personal email accounts,

    granted. And I found exactly what I was looking for.

    openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior,

    You’ve got to be kidding. Defending myself when others insulted and spat upon ME is a crime?

    did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition

    What in the world are you talking about??? Be specific!

    , made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you,

    The only thing I accused anyone of was THE TRUTH, how Harial, Tyler and Vanessa wanted to “trick me” into signing away my rights, mistaking my mental illness for stupidity, apparently.

    spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note -’ the list is really quite impressive.

    How did that hurt anyone but me? I almost DIED THAT NIGHT!

    Now, suddenly, you're back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression,

    What’s that supposed to mean? I can’t talk about my faith?

    trying to rewrite history,

    How am I trying to rewrite history, Becca?

    making claims for your business you can't support, and so on.

    Excuse me, what claims? And what does “and so on” mean?

    I agree with others: this isn't your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I'd wish you good luck but….nah.

    Now that you’re finished insulting me, I’m still waiting to hear how I hurt anyone?

  115. Hell Not Hell
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 22:49:58

    THIS is a telling thread. For every one’s sakes (include “bash-ers” with “bash-ee’s”) … please keep the telling going strong ! I can not find it any where else.

    OK, I say to keep talking, but please see I do not refer to the “flaming”. The flaming, it’s clogging the page all up, losing the “wheat in the chaff”, losing comm. attention, & that is the most needed thing to have here. “Keep It Up !” I beg to Ja(y)nes of the Ultimate Powers. =D

    Readers will please pay ever so very close attention to what has been said before (& LONG before) my message as well as what comes after it? (I will send only today … I will not say more to make every one’s head ache even worse ! LOL). It will not show you what is happening if you skate over your reading ! b/c all in basic is already told on this page ! More will help answer the cloudier questions but continue to listen, but not just “to hear”.

    I have long thought, and am sorry it is time for this rant added to other people’s rants, but it is time. Now I know Ja(y)nes’ readers need to know … & are heart felt wanted to know by people who care about other people’s safety (& I think that all the Ja(y)nes really care) ! This humble post comes from my deepest within too & is not a mean flame or a crazy joke ! It is instead love & prayed hope for all community safety and family.

    Here were very easy directions to follow if you hope to find a part of truth in this loud & over tired yelling … what the web site hope to do for every one. I hope it was not an insult to tell every one what to do & I only said because I got a maddened feeling like every one was getting taken away from the subject in the insulting (& also having competition of words with no real discussion some times !).

    Thanks All !, & Happy New Years’ To Hard Working Ja(y)nes, Et Al ! =)

  116. Tina
    Dec 23, 2008 @ 15:09:07

    Kira, stop this please. I think you’re talented and I hate seeing you do this.

    If you truly don’t care, as you say you do–then don’t click on this site again.

    It’s over, just turn your back on this thread and go write.

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