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Publishing House Alert: Yaoi House LLC

Update. Kira Takenochi has alerted people to new changes in her Yaoi publishing role.

Hello Everyone,

For most of you, this is going to come as no surprise, as I’ve been discussing this situation for a few weeks now in my journal at the site.

As of tonight I will be shutting down the Yaoi House site and putting up a new site for my writing.

What may be surprising to some is that I am going to be removing all the yaoi from the site. I will not be continuing those stories at this time. It’s possible I may revisit them and and rework them to be non-yaoi stories, but for now they are going to sleep, until I decide what to do with them. I will only be working on new fiction from this point on.

Tonight I will be putting all future recurring billing on hold. You will continue to have access to the new site and the new fiction through the end of your billing period. I will be putting up a new sign-on page and changing the price to $4.99. This price cut makes sense as there will be less fiction, since I will be building a new fiction archive.

I will not be publishing any of my yaoi books. For those of you who are new to the site and have no idea what is going on, you may email me for a refund, if you like, as I know you purchased access to the site for the yaoi.

For those of you who are going to continue on with me in my new direction, I will see you on the “other side”. To the rest of you, I thank you for your years of support and wish you all the best.

Kira Takenouchi is a Yaoi author who made a name for herself with Ai no Kusabi fanfiction, including a long and popular saga called ‘Taming Riki’. She formed a publishing house called Yaoi House or Yaoi Underground, LLC.

She signed a number of authors including Becca Abbott and took money in form of subscription fee payments by readers anxious to read her Taming Riki work. In March of 2008, Kira found Jesus and decided to stop publishing and declared all contracts null and void. She promised to refund money paid for the Taming Riki work which was never delivered.

On April 8, 2008, other investors in the Yaoi House stepped forward (the first comment), claiming that they would be honoring contracts and resolving the issue of outstanding orders that seemed not be filled.

On May 1, 2008, Kira reappears and claims that she did not find God but was instead suffering hallucinations as a result of bi-polarity.

I know now that God wasn’t acutally talking to me with Divine imperatives..that was in my head. It just seemed so real. And…some things happened to me, that I gues I won’t tell you about, but they go along the lines of hallucinations.

I think that we know, having seen the signs before of bad publisher behavior what happens next. Yep, people voicing their upsets with Kira bailing on them speak out and Kira responds with

Have fun with your rant. Anyone who participates will of course be banned from my site.

On May 4, 2008, in response to what is happening with the contracts and the money that was taken from readers, Kira denies that there has been any transfer of power:

Let me be clear about one thing. Legally I am still the manager of both Yaoi House and Yaoi Underground so what I say goes, with regard to my fiction. I have the power not to sign the final contract that would transfer those rights to Harial, which would mean nothing would change with either company and both would remain in my control.

A number of advisors and business partners leave Yaoi House because of, well, the instability. And Kira responds with accusations toward the people who want their refunds and contracts honored. I mean, the nerve of those people.

I admit I’m very angry about this because it’s clear from the posts in this group that people KNEW or at least SUSPECTED I was not in my right mind and yet everyone was proceeding to take away everything I’d worked on for the past few years, in a matter of DAYS. Almost no one here stood up for me and gave me the benefit of the doubt! No one except Esther! You all FUCKING KNOW ME and you KNOW I would never desert you or my stories or these companies! You KNEW that this “Kira Morningstar” was not the same person as “Kira Takenouchi”. And you didn’t even care that I was mad, that I was all alone in the horror of my mind with no one to help me–my shareholders knew I was sick and yet they deserted me, everyone deserted me and just chose to believe the worst, that I’d actually just thrown everything away and walked away. You didn’t stop to think…Okay wait…she’s bipolar…maybe she’s just ill. Let’s give her a chance to come out of this. And then all you cared about was getting your refunds or getting A BOOK with one of my titles on it, written by anyone else under the sun apparently.

On May 8, 2008, Kira seems to have calmed down and wishes her former business partners the best of luck and actually offers up an apology.

I’ll be dismantling the YH subscription site because I suspect all the writers have gone with Harial to her new domain. I hope so. They got the raw end of the shaft, too. I’ll be too busy with my own writing to try and maintain such a subscription site–and I don’t even want to, because it’s Harial’s baby. To be honest I’ll mostly be focusing on my own books now, unless we’ve signed new contracts with authors I’m not aware of. Or if we have, perhaps they can follow Harial. Maybe she’ll
publish print books too.

Harial…I just want to say publicly that I am so sorry for what I put you through

This olive branch is thrown down and trod upon three days later:

In case some of you are unclear about what has happened, Harial has started her own company.

Apparently some of my investors who joined her thought they could secretly keep shares in my companies while they invested in a competing company! They would be privy to my plans which they could then use to their advantage at their company. They apparently also thought they could take my authors, not realizing that the contracts between Yaoi House and its authors are still legal and have not been legally voided by new signed documents. So, for instance, posting Learning to Serve on their site is completely illegal, because a signed contract with Yaoi House is still in effect.

(Um, what about the post that all contracts were voided?)

Other authors are getting threats of legal action if they try to move their works to another subscription service.

Apparently, our contracts are still valid and will be so for two years after we hand in the manuscript. Which goes against what my contract says, but let’s not get into details here. Apparently, what Kira is trying to do is prevent any of the authors to sell the manuscripts or post the stories in question on the new publishing house’s subscription site

It sounds like some Yaoi authors are getting some raw treatment and that Kira Takenouchi is still trying to remain in business. Wonder what ever happened to those unfilled subscription payments?

Update: We’ve opened the comments at this time.

Jane Litte is the founder of Dear Author, a lawyer, and a lover of pencil skirts. She spends her downtime reading romances and writing about them. Her TBR pile is much larger than the one shown in the picture and not as pretty. You can reach Jane by email at jane @ dearauthor dot com

316 Comments

  1. Jia
    May 11, 2008 @ 15:09:39

    Let me get this straight. She had a subscription service so people could read her fanfiction? Doesn’t making a profit violate the unwritten rules of fanfiction writers everywhere or is there something special about this subscription service that “allows” it to be the exception?

  2. Kerry
    May 11, 2008 @ 15:37:58

    I love the bit where she posts “I should have had a durable power of attorney and a business plan since last time this happened I lost my job and custody of my daughter…” –um, yes, that would have been a Good Idea.

  3. (Jān)
    May 11, 2008 @ 16:52:33

    Maybe since she was writing fic for a Japanese series she saw it like doujinshi (for the other readers: comics the Japanese fans create and sell usually based on anime or manga or books like Harry Potter etc)? Those can include prose too.

    But there is an unwritten rule outside of Japan that writers don’t charge money to read their stories. If someone did that in one of the communities I belong to they’d get raked over the coals.

    If this woman really cared about her authors and readers, she’d hand over control of all of it during one of her “lucid” moments. As it is now, it just sounds like a convenient excuse for misbehavior, which is a disservice to those who truly are mentally ill.

  4. Ann Somerville
    May 11, 2008 @ 18:23:55

    Jan, I believe she did see it as doujinshi, yes. But what she’s doing with ‘Taming Riki’ is highly dubious at best.

    What she’s doing to people like Alice Montrose, Delilah deSora and Becca Abbott, among others, is just outrageous.

    Delilah gives her version of events here:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/delilahs_fiction/message/1431
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/delilahs_fiction/message/1434

  5. (Jān)
    May 11, 2008 @ 19:09:00

    Oh, I know, it’s terrible! I read Alice’s post today and was stunned. I’d only heard that Kira had quit because she’d found God. All the rest was new to me. I feel so sorry for all the writers.

    What’s especially hard to believe is that Kira talked about voiding the contracts on her blog. I read it, thousands of people read it. How could she claim that she never said that? She canceled them in front of all of us.

    Thank God Alice is someone who won’t take something like this lying down. And thank you, Ann, for supporting her and the other authors this way.

  6. Throwmearope
    May 11, 2008 @ 19:33:58

    Just waitin’ for Lynne C to chime in that she’s been writing for this house and has the utmost confidence in them. Of course, she can’t discuss a situation like this because her ebook updates aren’t “Gutter Press R Us.”

    I remind myself that the flip side (heh) of bipolar disorder is amazing creativity.

  7. (Jān)
    May 11, 2008 @ 19:42:02

    I remind myself that the flip side (heh) of bipolar disorder is amazing creativity.

    Well she’s certainly being creative with the truth.

  8. Ann Somerville
    May 11, 2008 @ 20:05:09

    Throwmearope, I’m waiting for one of the pack of faux hillbillies to turn up and give me shit for writing ‘homo porn’ and tell me I’m so mean for using the word ‘dubious’, because didn’t you know, I’m the only bitchy one around here as well as the only pornographer?

    More seriously, what amazes me is the immense good will, patience and (some might say, blind) loyalty shown to Kira, which she pisses away without any thought that this well of decency might run dry if she keeps slamming those trying to help. It also seems ironic that because she said she found Jesus, so many people were willing to excuse her sudden volte face in March, but if she said she’d found Scientology or heroin, the fact she was clearly going through a mental health crisis would have been obvious to everyone. Even now, there are people who feel cheated because her ‘conversion’ was so easily set aside, when they should ask themselves whether such a rapid change in one’s thought processes could ever be healthy? Just because St Paul made it trendy, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone.

    [And now I’ll sit back and wait to be flamed by the Christians for mocking their faith. Which I’m not.]

  9. (Jān)
    May 11, 2008 @ 20:29:18

    To be honest, when she told everyone about being born again, the way she said it led me to not take her seriously and figure she’d gone off the deep end. People who are serious about their conversions don’t act like that.

    She asks why no one did anything to stop her. In her state of mind, would anything have gotten through? Nothing is getting through now.

    It was a crappy thing to do to all the people counting on her, and if I were one of them, I’d certainly be upset.

  10. Miki
    May 11, 2008 @ 21:37:08

    I say this with no sarcasm or snark: if there is someone out there who is still friends with and has affection for this woman, they need to find a way to get her back on her meds.

    Based on the quoted passages, she really sounds as if she’s on the wild pendulum ride at the moment.

  11. Ann Somerville
    May 11, 2008 @ 21:40:09

    Miki, apparently this is her on her meds.

    And plenty of people are trying to help, urging not to take on the business side of things and to keep the stress low, but she’s not listening to anyone. That’s the frustration from those who care and those who are being victimised alike. She won’t take advice from anyone. It’s sad and it’s also a mess.

  12. Alice Montrose
    May 12, 2008 @ 00:46:29

    Before anything else, allow me to thank you for taking the time to blog about this story. I had nothing but the utmost respect for her an what she was building, and chose to ignore the signs that not all was well in paradise. Well, I suppose now I know. I can only hope readers/authors will learn from my experience.

    Yes, I was pretty furious when I was told that, after this whole debacle, I was still under contract (even if I could prove otherwise). Hopefully, things will get settled and I shall have my story back. It may not be the most extraordinary thing you’ve ever read, but it is mine and I should be the one to decide what happens to it. I shall also keep my fingers crossed for Becca Abbott, because her situation is by far more serious than mine.

    I am really interested in what Kira’s supporters have to say about this, but so far they have followed Kira’s example and have all been very quiet. Anyway, you shouldn’t just take my word for it; there are always more sides to a story. Sadly, I am not certain which Kira will eventually react to this: the logical and “professional” Kira, or the emotionally distressed Kira. If she will post any reaction at all, that is.

  13. Tina Anderson
    May 12, 2008 @ 07:07:31

    But there is an unwritten rule outside of Japan that writers don't charge money to read their stories. If someone did that in one of the communities I belong to they'd get raked over the coals.

    No, you don’t charge online for your fanfics. It's like fan-art, and that's the difference. If you present a gallery of fan arts online [writing counts as art] and you don't charge, then you’re doing it right. …however, it's hardly dubious to pull your text work together, clean it up, and print it out for fellow fans and charge to cover print costs. :) It's done in Japan all the time, and I’ve done a few times in the past and see no issue with it; selling it to only fandom readers [which DOES NOT encompass the entire original slash/yaoi market]. Fan-doujinshi has always been about limited print runs and selling only to fans of the copyrighted property your book is based on–and for me, Takenouchi crossed the line when she placed ISBNs on her AnK books. 0_o. ISBNs and UPCs suggest that her fan-books could be sold in retail outlets, and distributed in online stores [thus violating the Japanese ethic of NO retail ani-paro]. Fan doujinshi isn't legal in Japan, it's tolerated as another form of fan art…the unwritten rule is, keep it out of retail stores.

    Yet, regardless of her Taming Riki material, what’s she’s doing to her creators with this drama, by playing it out on the internets, is extremely shitty. I promoted a few titles for her some time ago at GGY, but when I noticed she liked to hire cover artists and put up covers and collect pre-orders, without actually releasing anything—I stopped. Then I caught a dose of her manic behavior at her journal site, aimed at me, when I expressed my opinion about the ISBN thing. After that, I asked that my fics be removed from her eFics area, and stopped promoting the company.

    I can't shake the sick feeling that, until I meet some of these ‘board members' myself and see them with my own eyes, that this is all just one big sock-puppet theater. Honestly, who goes out of their way to put on a show like this, unless they're aching for attention? Creative types with untreated mental issues. If there’s defecting editors currently at war with Kira over contracts, then they should know her financial situation enough to determine what’s she’s capable of doing legally, should writers defect and print with their new company. If they’re all dead worried about a bookstore wanting 60% percent of a book gross, then one of them have the monies to pursue legal action against writer for walking away from a contract, especially when said contracts were signed while the CEO was in a ‘manic state’. The sad truth is, no distributor will touch Yaoi House [or any fiction company] with just one original book in print, and from what I gathered by talking to a member of this ‘new editorial' team around the time Kira found G*d-‘-they felt that bookstores and distributors asking for 40-60% per title was outlandish and they wouldn't deal with them-‘-leads me to believe that for a writer, this whole outfit and anything stemming from it, is a bad investment.

  14. Tina Anderson
    May 12, 2008 @ 07:53:11

    If they're all dead worried about a bookstore wanting 60% percent of a book gross, then none of them have the monies to pursue legal action against writer for walking away from a contract, especially when said contracts were signed while the CEO was in a ‘manic state'.

    Sentence altering typo alert: one=none. :)

  15. DS
    May 12, 2008 @ 07:54:11

    The credit card charges I was reading about the publisher making are a potential for trouble in the US.

    Buyers have the right to charge backs if she does not deliver. The period of time generally runs 60 days the first appearance of the charge on the bill but other credit cards allow longer periods and possibly even shorter periods.

    There are other rules she has to obey in the US. Because she is taking payments on items that may not even exist yet, she has either her stated period of time in which to deliver the item or, if no stated time, 30 days. If she finds she cannot deliver within this time then she must either refund the payment or obtain the consent of the purchaser. For periods of time up to 30 days silence can be taken as consent but for periods of time longer than 30 days there has to be specific consent or a refund.

    This is the US Federal Trade Commission’s Internet Purchases Prompt Delivery Rules: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/intbalrt.shtm

  16. Gwen
    May 12, 2008 @ 09:03:41

    Probably an unfortunate metaphor, all things considered, but I read thru all this and the only thing that came to mind was:

    Kira, babe, get off the cross already. Somebody needs the wood.

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  18. Julia Sullivan
    May 12, 2008 @ 12:41:12

    Okay, I am confused.

    What is the business model of Yaoi House? Charging money for fanfiction? I feel like I’ve stepped off the subway at the Bizarro World stop.

    In any case, under US law, illegal contracts are not binding. If someone has a “contract” that has to do with copyright violation (i.e., fanfic), it’s not binding because the core enterprise is illegal.

    Now, the folks whose original MS were going to be published by YaoiHouse have most likely had at least one provision of those contracts voided by the owner’s actions to date. Being informed in email by one party to a contract that the contract is canceled, for instance, generally constitutes a significant enough breach of contract to void the agreement.

  19. (Jān)
    May 12, 2008 @ 12:52:25

    Kira’s stories are fan fiction. The other authors are writing original fiction. So the contracts in question have to do with work that is wholly their own.

  20. Julia Sullivan
    May 12, 2008 @ 13:08:45

    Thanks, Jan. As I look into it further, it seems like the other authors have connected with a new publisher of books and subscription e-zines. If I were that publisher, I’d invest in a consultation with an attorney to review the Yaoi House contracts and prepare an official memorandum spelling out why those contracts had been voided by “Kira’s” actions (if indeed they have, as seems likely from the pixel trail on the Internet).

    And it does seem that “Kira” is selling fanfiction (at least, from what I can glean from the Yahoogroup messages). I don’t think that someone who’s engaging in what is, under US law, a clear-cut violation of copyright law is going to be in any position to enforce intellectual property contracts of her own (even if they weren’t voided by her actions, which–and I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice–it certainly seems like they would have been).

    I hope that folks will take away from this one important lesson: going into business with people who are profiting from copyright infringement is SO not a good idea.

    If “Kira” doesn’t respect the legal intellectual property rights of Reiko Yoshihara (the author of Ai no Kusabi), or of Digital Manga Publishing (the North American licensee for Ai no Kusabi), why would she respect the legal intellectual property rights of the authors she signed to contracts?

  21. Bernita
    May 12, 2008 @ 13:22:40

    These pub didoes all sound so familiar.

  22. Jane
    May 12, 2008 @ 14:12:16

    Not all fan fiction is copyright infringement. Not having read the original or Kira’s work, it is hard to say where her work falls.

  23. Julia Sullivan
    May 12, 2008 @ 14:26:41

    Not all fan fiction is copyright infringement. Not having read the original or Kira's work, it is hard to say where her work falls.

    Since the works she’s selling are about Riki and Iason, the main characters in the original books, I don’t see how it can be anything but copyright infringement.

    This is the text from the old Yaoi Underground site:

    All stories at Yaoi Underground are by Kira Takenouchi. The beautiful and timeless story Ai no Kusabi was written by the magnificent Rieko Yoshihara, to whom all Taming Riki books are most humbly dedicated. The Taming Riki series are dedicated also in loving memory of Shiozawa Kaneto, who remains the eternal voice of Iason Mink. Taming Riki is an Ai no Kusabi-based doujinshi novel and is published by Yaoi Underground LLC. The original characters of Ai no Kusabi remain the copyright of Rieko Yoshihara.

    That seems pretty indicative of what US law would define as “copyright infringement” right there.

  24. (Jān)
    May 12, 2008 @ 14:50:01

    Because some fan works are considered fair use. Jane wrote a column on it once. It’s a grey area, not black and white.

    But I think because, as Tina says, she’s selling them in a retail setting, she’s losing a lot of the protections she might have had.

  25. Tina Anderson
    May 12, 2008 @ 15:27:27

    But I think because, as Tina says, she's selling them in a retail setting, she's losing a lot of the protections she might have had.

    This appearance of ‘profiteering’ of fan work makes it difficult for those of us who create print/bind fan material, to keep doing what we do with the trust of North American licensor’s. I’m happy she at least made an effort to separate the Taming Riki material from the ‘original’ Yaoi-House works, but initially–her outrageous pricing and those ISBNs still put me off.

    On the copyright issue that everyone keeps bringing up here:

    I know it may seem odd to those ‘outside’ the anime/manga fandom to understand this but printed fan work is a large part of our fandom [an enormous fan movement in Japan, that's pretty modest in the states.] North American licensor’s are typically aware of what we do; they know who’s selling what in convention art alleys, at y!Gallery, or on eBay. It’s because fan creators aren’t printing 1000 copy runs to sell on Amazon, or securing bookstore distribution via a POD printer, that keeps them from directly impacting a publisher's investment in a Japanese property.

    It's a shame, because in a situation like this–DMP/June would’ve been well within their rights to cry foul over the Taming Riki series; the fact that they didn’t, shows that Erica and Rachel at DMP/June understand the market they’re selling to, much more than the average armchair fiction fan that looks upon all text-doujinshi as ‘a crime.’ :) I wouldn't be shocked if Ms. Takenouchi did get permission to keep writing and selling her work, because the last time I looked she was selling her Taming Riki books bundled with the first volume of DMP/June AnK novels. This means, she was ordering from DMP wholesale, or one of their distributors.

    Either way, it still doesn't sit right with me-‘but that's not the issue here.

    The issue is, Ms. Takenouchi is using her mental illness as an excuse for why her publishing company has hit the skids, and not only is all this unfair to the fans who paid for pre-orders, it's nerve-racking the creators involved. I know what it's like to be a writer and try to create work when there ‘drama'. No one needs this hassle, certainly not a writer. I think Ms. Takenouchi should consider the harm she's doing to herself, her writing peers, and her fans. If she back on her meds like she claims, then she should have the sense to recognize when she's being destructive.

  26. amy
    May 12, 2008 @ 15:29:27

    Hey everyone,
    I’ve been following kirafics for years (back when the first chapters were being posted on aff for free and before anything was published or had to be paid for) and I read Kira’s journal and was part of the ML. Like the person before me said, watching it all unfold was kind of like watching a train wreck.

    I was a fan. I liked TR (especially the last part when SPOILER riki saves iason SPOILER) but it was a little too hardcore for me, so I decided not to subscribe when payment became compulsory. I did want to read Alpha Rising, but I decided to just get it when it was published as a book; this way, I wouldn’t have to wait while the updates were coming out and I’d probably be saving money in the long run. Also, I like Kira’s writing style when it’s plot-heavy or emotinally-heavy, but the sex scenes and the I-hate-you-but-I’m-ridicously-attracted-and-aroused-by-you gambit (which a lot of authors resort to really) weren’t my style, so that kept me away too. Also, I was pretty tight on money, so I decided not to preorder either (I did feel slightly guilty about it when I read about Kira’s financial troubles; I felt that I should “help”). Now, in retrospect, I’m glad I didn’t do either. I think Alpha Rising and the other books have been in limbo for years.

    From a fan’s viewpoint, though, at the time I didn’t think the preorders were that bad of an idea. I understood that she was in financial straits, and I thought it was appropriate that the people who preordered got a discount if they were willing to wait longer (although $30 is pretty exorbitant for a single book…however, I don’t know enough about self-publishing to really comment on that; it’s just a customer’s perspective). Also, about the fanfiction issue, I believe that Kira contacted DMP and Reiko’s management in Japan or something and received permission to sell TR. (I think this information was posted on her Yaoi Underground site, in the FAQ, but that site is probably long gone.)

    However, I remember reading on Kira’s Morningstar journal that she was upset about the new Yaoi House authors not following her notes and story outlines, but then later I read Alice Montrose’s journal and Ms. Montrose said that Kira never even gave them notes. So I’m really not sure about the veracity of all of Kira’s claims now.

    Anyway, when Yaoi House first started out, I thought that it was a good idea. The covers were all beautiful and Kira was a good, fast writer, so I thought that she did deserve compensation; although it was fanfiction, she had spun a whole new world around it. However, earlier in the year–maybe even last year–I was following the journal and the ML and I noticed that Kira was not releasing that many updates. She’d say that she was going to, and she did seem really distressed about what was probably her writer’s block, but then the next morning would come and there would be no new update.

    I was never privy to these updates (except Geisha Doll, which was free) so I was probably not as let down as her subscribers, but I remember thinking that I would be exasperated if I were a subscriber–paying all that money and not getting the updates, when other subscription sites were pretty timely on that matter (such as SA Payne’s awesome website, as well as Juxtapose Fantasy).

    However, unlike the owners of the aforementioned websites, Kira kept a very detailed journal. We all knew what was going on and how terrible she was feeling, so perhaps that diffused some of the frustration (which subsequently exploded on her after the Joan of Arc debacle). I followed her journal like it was a blog, and it was pretty eloquent, although perhaps a little sad and disturbing because of her financial situation and her health troubles. After she got her kidney stones out and was feeling very bummed, I even wrote a journal comment in full support of her ventures and said that not many would have the gumption to get up and actually establish a business like she had.

    But then the I-found-Christianity incident happened and I’ve really lost a lot of respect for her. I think some writers have egos, especially good ones. However, I thought that Kira was okay until after she repudiated and subsequently retrieved Yaoi House (although that time she deleted a story after it didn’t get enough reviews in 24 hours was kind of irritating; something about how reviews for free stories are currency, and although I think that’s reasonable, I don’t think it’s a situation to play hardball with after the first chapter).

    I just think it’s kind of weird and hypocritical. She accused people of not giving her the benefit of the doubt, not helping her, and not waiting for her to come out of her mania. However, many of the comments on her journal begged her not to leave and told her that she would regret it in the future–she had invested so much in the characters, it was just unbelievable that she would abandon them. However, Kira was adamant, and I’m not sure if she even remembers those comments now. She might have forgotten because of her episode. But they were there, and after she came back she basically insulted everyone on the ML except Esther.

    And of course, she’s right that many people were pissed off at her and were reacting badly, but to come back contrite and then grow arrogant about it–although some of her claims, like Harial being furious with her, I know nothing about but which would definitely constitute a reason for anger–was kind of strange and infuriating. Getting super mad that Amanuensis and Delilah deSora (and all the other great writers) are rewriting your stories?? These people are amazing writers in their own right, and if someone has wholeheartedly insisted and refused to be cajoled or budged about writing stories that hundreds of fans are dying to see resolved, I don’t know anyone in the whole damn situation who wouldn’t be glad to relinquish the writing–the HARD, backbreaking part of any story or idea–to someone who everyone knows is very capable. Unless said original writer flipflops more than Bush accused of Kerry. Cripes.

    And honestly, the people who were subscribing to her and getting pissed about the situation were customers. They were in a business relationship with her. They shouldn’t have to care that she was “mad” or “alone in the horror of her mind” or “sick”. They should just get what they paid for, and sympathy goes around and comes around, but I think the readers exhausted their sympathetic capacities in waiting for those increasingly sporadic updates.

    Anyway, thanks for the article. I am debating whether or not I should recommend parting from YH to this contracted author (who is amazingly popular and writes awesome stories!!) on aff. The thing is, she seemed very happy once she realized things were resolved. If Yaoi House is on the right track again, maybe it’s better to just continue down that path, even if the ex-president is being a butthead and it might take a long time ’til it’s actually in print… I guess I’ll just recommend this article to her.

  27. SonomaLass
    May 12, 2008 @ 16:42:16

    If the woman has bi-polar disorder, she’s capable of all this and a lot more without necessarily being culpable, if that makes sense. People who have BPD (I hate the phrase “she’s bi-polar”; it’s an illness, and we don’t say “she’s cancerous”) can make really f’ed up choices, say and do outrageous things, and even sound like they are completely in control when they are SO not.

    That gives her a reason, not an excuse. When she IS seeing things clearly, it seems like she apologizes and acknowledges that she was messed up and making messed-up choices. But she’s obviously not seeing clearly much of the time, and that kind of instability can be hell on personal and professional relationships.

    I have to say that I feel sorry for everyone in this sorry situation. I hope she’s getting help, and that with help she figures out how to do the right thing to those who have been [other] victims of her disorder.

  28. angie
    May 12, 2008 @ 17:08:45

    A clarification:
    1) Kira doesn’t write only fanfiction: apart from TR and Alpha Rising (that is connected to TR) all the other stories are original fiction
    2)She said that she asked twice DMP (the company that publishes Ai no Kusabi in USA) if they had problems with her publishing and generally getting money from TR, and they said no. So if that’s true TR is a doujinshi and that’s it.

    That said, the whole situation is A DISASTER.
    She threw this bomb on us, came back saying “it was a maniac attack, sorry, now I’m back” and then started offending and banning people who so much as say something critical.
    And all this shit about Harial and YH staff forcing contracts into her while she was ill, not helping her…most of us told her to get cured, that she wasn’t behaving sanely. Did she listen to us?
    Of course not. She was in la-la-land and I’m not saying it’s her fault, a mental illness is a mental illness, but it happened all the same.
    We are not her relatives, what could we do? What will we able to do next time?
    Harial had to get everything sorted out as soon as possible or she would have lost even more customers.

    And now, she pretends to force people to keep contracts she cancelled in a moment (ok she was maniac, not herself, but still she did it and can do it again)?
    Show a little of the respect and consideration you’ve always received from us despite everything you could do for once, Kira!!
    I hope the authors can use her own weapon (her being ill and so unable to take decision) to free themselves from these contracts that were signed by an ill person!
    I know it sounds mean and it surely is, but there is so much shit you can swallow before start spit it back

  29. Kiix
    May 12, 2008 @ 18:29:44

    Oh my god. I have such a headache from this. I’m one of the authors in limbo. I am so confused and disheartened with the whole affair. I was excited getting a contract and now I think…I don’t know what to think. All I know for sure is that I’m locked in for two years.

  30. (Jān)
    May 12, 2008 @ 18:36:56

    Kiix, perhaps you should talk to some of the other authors. It doesn’t sound like that 2 year thing is quite legal, if she voided all contracts.

  31. Jane
    May 12, 2008 @ 19:09:22

    YH is based in the US right? Maybe the group of authors who are in limbo should file a complaint with the state AG’s office armed with contracts, copies of the post declaring the contracts void etc. Most AG offices have contact info online. It costs nothing but a spot of time. Otherwise, you could pool resources and have one of the contracts declared void. I would think one ruling would act as a shield against her.

    And does she actually have an attorney or the funds to pay for one. Lots of people make legal threats in hopes that the threat is enough to scare people into action.

  32. Barbara Sheridan
    May 12, 2008 @ 21:06:29

    I came across YH quite some time ago and the apparent success of it totally boggled my mind.

    The taking pre-orders from customers for books not yet written and the whole story subscription thing in general gave me quite a few wtf moments in addition to thinking. What a racket, Anne and I should have thought of it instead of taking the usual route.

    I figured the bottom would drop out sooner than later. I hope the writers involved get things sorted out.

  33. Robin
    May 12, 2008 @ 23:15:05

    And honestly, the people who were subscribing to her and getting pissed about the situation were customers. They were in a business relationship with her. They shouldn't have to care that she was “mad” or “alone in the horror of her mind” or “sick”. They should just get what they paid for, and sympathy goes around and comes around, but I think the readers exhausted their sympathetic capacities in waiting for those increasingly sporadic updates.

    I obviously don’t know if Kira knew that she could slip into this level of illness at any time, but regardless, this situation seems like an example writ large of how being an author does not necessarily suit one to being a publisher, for precisely this reason. Publishing is a business on a different level than authorship, yet we seem to see over and over these publishing crises emerge from author-run publishing companies.

    Beyond that, perhaps it’s not such a good idea to have only one person who has the reins of the business and all the legal and managerial power, because all sorts of things can happen, things far more mundane but just as devastating as what happened in this situation. And when you do have customers, they absolutely shouldn’t be expected to care what personal problems someone in Kira’s position is having, and if someone else could have grabbed the reins immediately, maybe this whole mess would not have spun out like it has. Of course the authors have a business relationship with YH, too, but I’m presuming they knew that they were putting their work in the hands of one individual, however well-known her potential for the sudden onset of this illness.

  34. Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal » Blog Archive » May 13, 2008: Y-You win! I’m a Venusian!
    May 13, 2008 @ 07:40:24

    […] I cannot even summarize the weird-ass psychodrama surrounding Yaoi House right now; Dear Author has the latest baffling developments. (Link via Gia […]

  35. boggled
    May 13, 2008 @ 09:23:50

    I’m trying to figure out how she’s making money off fanfiction and getting away with it.

    or am I just misunderstanding what the heck she’s doing.

  36. (Jān)
    May 13, 2008 @ 09:33:17

    To recap previous posts: In Japanese fandoms, selling of amateur fanworks is a technically illegal but extremely widespread phenomenon that’s overlooked by publishers so long as the print numbers are kept low and it’s sold to other fans at conventions and such. Publishers realize such works only keep the fandom alive and interested.

    Kira supposedly took it a step further and asked permission from both the author and the owner of print rights in the US (DMP) to sell on a larger scale, and was given it. So she was able to do what most fans are not.

  37. boggled
    May 13, 2008 @ 09:41:00

    ah. thanks Jān. once I read through the comments I could see this was a gray area that she was treading through.

    I feel very bad for those stuck on the short end of this stick and hope they find a peaceful and advantageous resolution, quickly.

  38. Liz
    May 13, 2008 @ 17:56:25

    Thanks for writing about this.
    The drama that went down at Yaoi house honestly turned me off of the company completely. I was a huge fan of Kira’s work until I saw how she handled this situation- in a brash and immature fashion. And I didn’t want to contact her to ask what was going on because I didn’t want her ranting about me or bashing me, as she did with some of her other “devoted fans.”

    And she went outright and insulted her fanbase, saying that we should have helped her and not panicked, etc. Well, I have news for her: I don’t keep tabs on people’s lives, especially someone who I am buying a product/service from, and I expect problems to be handled maturely. Maybe Kira needs to realize that the world, believe it or not, does not revolve around her.

    Kira is completely unprofessional and unstable, and I will never allow her or her company to handle my money again. I’m just relieved I got a refund.

  39. Ann Somerville
    May 13, 2008 @ 19:20:05

    Things might be moving in the right direction, finally

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kirafics2/message/20

    We are proud to announced that Elizabeth Cameron will now take the
    helm as President of Yaoi House. Elizabeth has been with Yaoi House
    since its inception and has been a strong, highly influential force
    in the company. You can contact Elizabeth at
    admin@…. Also joining the Yaoi House family is
    Esther Almengor as Chief Communications Officer. Esther will act as
    the primary public relations agent for the company. Feel free to post
    your questions or concerns to her at cco@….

    Yaoi House would also like to announce that Kira Takenouchi has
    contracted all her books with YH for publication. We look forward to
    a great partnership with Kira in the years to come and are excited
    that Yaoi House will continue to publish her books.

    Finally, due to the unique circumstances that transpired recently
    with regard to our contracted authors, we are now formally releasing
    ALL other current authors from their contracts. We want the authors
    to do whatever they feel is best with regard to their books, and so
    we will not be holding them to their contracts. Authors that choose
    to remain with Yaoi House should notify President Cameron of their
    intent.

    We’ll be adding fresh new arrows to our quiver down the road, as
    writers old and new join the ranks in the future. There are exciting
    times ahead for this company, and we fully anticipate that Yaoi House
    will one day be at the forefront of the yaoi publishing world.

    Of course, we don’t know if the authors concerned have had this in writing, which they desperately need, or if Kira will renege again, and Yaoi House still remains a ‘Proceed with extreme caution’ for authors and readers. Frankly, I don’t care if YH succeeds. I just want the authors who want release, to be released, and the customers to get the goods or their money back.

  40. Kat
    May 14, 2008 @ 03:01:01

    I honestly feel bad for her that she has bipolar disorder. In fact, that seems like a suitable reason/excuse for her behavior. It’s an illness and it got out of control.

    That having been said, she shouldn’t be in charge of a business. She’s obviously incapable of handling it properly. People gave her the benefit of the doubt once, but if she’s left in charge and this happens again then all involved deserve the fallout. Just because there’s an understandable reason for the behavior doesn’t make the behavior acceptable and it doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be repercussions for it.

  41. Ann Somerville
    May 14, 2008 @ 04:55:10

    The post about the new president has been deleted, which is worrying. Has she realised that admitting in public (again) that all the authors have been released from their contracts might be a bad thing?

    However we have this rather bizarre one now:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kirafics2/message/24

    The Yaoi House site is now up at a new location:

    Yaoi House

    We are unable to edit the old Yaoi House site because it’s locked. *rolls eyes* So we bought a new domain.

    Note that we removed all authors since we don’t know if anyone will be continuing with us (for now). The only author is MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

    Woo hoo! Yay Princess Kira! *throws peni confetti rather desperately* Maybe we should just call it Kira House! [Kira House is a registered trademark of kiratakenouchi.com. Limit 200 per customer. Batteries not included.]

    Just to update you…yes I’m still working on Braxton Creek. I ended up staying up most of the night trying to get this site up and so now I’m FINALLY turning to that again. When you read the chapter, you’ll understand why I took my time with it. It sort of has…special meaning to me. *smile*

    I’ll get that poll up soon too, I promise.

    Are people able to view all the pages at my site? Let me know if you run into issues.

    I was looking at the site and boy I’m really going to miss Harial’s design skills. She is the best graphic designer in the universe. I’m going to be adding to the new kiratakenouchi.com site over time, like creating a new AnK area and bringing over some of the funky things that were at the old kirafics site. I thought about putting Kirafics up again but so much has changed, I think it would be better to incorporate the best of Kirafics at the new site. Right now I’m playing with this cool flash program for an awesome new AnK area.

    Let me know if there are particular things from Kirafics you want me to revive or if you have ideas for new things you’d like to see.

    Gotta love how she crapped all over Harial/Heather, the former manager, and called her every name under the sun, but now ‘misses’ her design skills?

    Anyone else think this post sounds a bit (and no pun intended) manic?

  42. Alice Montrose
    May 14, 2008 @ 05:32:07

    Taken from the new Yaoi House site:

    Q: Hey! Why are all these books by Kira Takenouchi?
    A: The answer is because Kira ROCKS and she therefore dominates Yaoi House. (It might also be because she is a total nutcase and frightened away all the other authors. But we won’t go there.)
    Whether you enjoy Kira’s fiction at her online site or wait until the books are printed, we guarantee that there’s no one quite like Kira Takenouchi. (We use the word “guarantee” loosely, so don’t expect some sort of refund. Sheesh.)

    and:

    Authors A – I
    Um…there’s no one here….

    Authors J – R
    There’s no one here either….

    Authors S – Z
    Kira Takenouchi
    Yes Princess Kira Takenouchi is the sole surviving author of Yaoi House! Princess Kira rules the entire company! Muahahahaha!!!!!

    I am not sure if I should be horrified or amused. What I am is speechless, however.

  43. (Jān)
    May 14, 2008 @ 06:43:44

    That’s unbelievable. I have the feeling that someone is trying to control Kira and keep her from doing things that will harm the company, but that Kira won’t be controlled. Good luck to the new president. I think if she wants the company to survive, Kira needs to be completely removed from the mix of officers. She should be relegated to “wacky author in the corner” status, and it made clear that she has absolutely no control over the running of the business.

  44. Alice Montrose
    May 14, 2008 @ 08:00:25

    Well, past goings-on have shown that Kira cannot be controlled. certainly not by loyal minions who worship the ground she walks on and think that anything and everything she does is just wonderful. Not to mention what they are doing is just… childish? That kind of phrasing on a business site, and they expect the world to take them seriously?

  45. (Jān)
    May 14, 2008 @ 08:10:23

    Exactly. It’s complete unprofessional, and more suited to fanfiction.net, because it sounds like an over-exuberant 14 year old posting her SasuNaru slash epic.

  46. Alice Montrose
    May 14, 2008 @ 12:10:02

    Yaoi House authors have been emailed a formal letter of apology, as well as an release from the contracts. It sounded professional and business-like, so I consider myself satisfied with that. (Even if I don;t fully approve of some things mentioned in there.)

    The letter also confirms that Yaoi House is under new management, and that Kira will be focusing solely on her writing from now on.

    So unless something else comes up, I consider this issue dealt with. Once again, thank you very much for your support.

  47. (Jān)
    May 14, 2008 @ 12:31:59

    That’s great to hear! Now everyone will be able to move on to bigger and better things. It seems like everyone is publishing m/m these days, so it should be pretty easy for all the authors involved to find a publisher that helps instead of hinders.

  48. Esther
    May 14, 2008 @ 14:43:30

    I am addressing you as one who is close to Kira, so please bear with me. I believe what you all are saying is only causing her more grief. She has suffered enough with her condition, and the fallout that hurt both YH and the authors. It is unfortunate that this event has caused the writers difficulties, but Kira has suffered too. Since the writers are now free of their contracts, that should be enough for them to move forward. Since those who left YH have now set up shop elsewhere, that should be enough for them to move forward. And since Kira is left with only her material, and is trying to put her life back together again, I would hope this bashing of her will cease. This whole blog has done nothing but hurt her, and as one who is trying to put her life back together after such an manic break, the many comments on this site have not helped in the healing process for her, and for those who cared for the writer’s, fans, and us close friends of Kira. I know I am walking into a lions den here, so if you now turn your attacks on me, have at it…I’m not afflicted with a bipolar illness, but someone has to stand by her side and help her move forward with her life. I trust the majority of you to be professional in this regard, and can cease your comments, and move on. This is not helping anyone, especially Kira.

    Thank you for your consideration in this matter,
    Esther

  49. Bernita
    May 14, 2008 @ 15:16:02

    With all due respect, if the comments on this blog retard her healing, then the sensible thing for her to do is not read this blog.

  50. Ann Somerville
    May 14, 2008 @ 15:17:02

    Esther, there has been a lot of sympathy for Kira. She’s not the only victim here, however. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that, indicates that Kira and you do not have a good grasp of how a business should operate, or what professional behaviour should constitute.

    I hope for her sake, she has advisors less one-eyed and blindly loyal to tell her straight when she’s hurting herself and other people. She’s not been bashed, she’s been rightly castigated for not recognising she is and was completely unfit to manage any business whatsoever, and turning away and reviling those who were. Her behaviour needed to be exposed for what it was. Painful, yes, but necessary.

    Your post makes me less sympathetic, not more. “Poor, Poor Kira and those nasty haters” doesn’t play well when we know the other side of the story.

  51. (Jān)
    May 14, 2008 @ 15:25:53

    Esther, I probably shouldn’t speak for the rest of the people here, but I’d bet it’s safe to say that as far as Kira’s personal life goes, we all want her to get better.

    This discussion however was about her professional life, and her professional choices, and while she was hurt she hurt many others with her actions, and didn’t seem inclined to stop. I’m sure it was unpleasant for her having this brought to the attention of the public, but as Kira was doing it herself on her groups and blogs and silencing those who opposed her, the writers and readers involved had no other recourse but to take it to other forums to be heard, including this one.

    Alice already stated above that the matter is closed as far as she is concerned, since the writers have received their contracts back and an apology, which was all they really wanted. Everyone on both sides can move on now. :)

  52. Ann Somerville
    May 14, 2008 @ 15:52:44

    From the now deleted announcement of the changes at YH

    Esther will act as the primary public relations agent for the company.

    Um…she’s not exactly starting on the best foot, is she?

    Maybe I’m naive, but I’d have thought the appropriate way to begin would be to apologise publicly to all affected, to reassure customers they would get satisfaction or their money back, and to keep the personal stuff and slams off-line. You know, as a professional would.

    I wouldn’t give a lot for Yaoi House still operating in six months’ time. And I would still advise anyone, customer or author, to keep the hell away from it or anyone connected with it.

  53. Disgruntled Customer
    May 14, 2008 @ 18:17:15

    Mid-2006, I signed up for an Elite membership for one of Kira’s sites. As part of my subscription, I was ensured that I would have lifetime access to her stories. Last night, I attempted to log-in to read the stories and was denied access. I sent a username/password request and this email exchange followed:

    Kira:

    Are you sure you had an active subscription? I can’t find an account for you.

    Me:

    Yes. I signed up awhile ago as an Elite and part of my subscription was receiving regular updates and lifetime access to the stories.

    *

    I then forwarded her the “welcome” email that I was sent almost 2 years ago and a portion from an email which stated that I would have PERMANENT [she capslocked this herself] to her restricted stories. She responded with:

    Kira:

    that access was for either Yaoi Underground or Yaoi House restricted sites….this is a new site and domain entirely; I can only afford to give lifetime memberships to Elites with active paying memberships that were interrupted

    *

    Her reply made me angry given her recent business practices. I thought it was a cop out to fulfilling her contractual obligations to a customer and told her so.

    Me:

    When did you change the terms of your membership? If that was after my subscription, then changes shouldn’t apply to me. And the last email I sent to you referenced multiple sites, which presumably included the site that previously stored updates to all your stories. Regardless, what I was was guaranteed when I subscribed as an Elite member was PERMANENT access to the stories. If I wasn’t interested in a subscription and only wanted to purchase your books, I would have exercised that option. The fact that you have a “new” domain or a “new” website shouldn’t affect my subscription, and if that was the case you should have sent notice. If you reread the first email you sent me regarding membership, it references Elite membership in general terms and access to the restricted section of another site as an added advantage, and not that I was purchasing access rights to a specific site.

    I am well aware of your recent problems regarding your site and otherwise. I am extremely disappointed at your business practices. You seem to have a lack of understanding regarding honoring your contractual obligations. Frankly, what you can afford financially shouldn’t be and isn’t my concern.

    Kira responded with:

    Excuse me, but you didn’t buy permanent membership. Where in your welcome info does it say that? You paid for one year. If later I CHOSE to grant some Elites and Blondies more access at my other sites, that’s my charity, not your RIGHT. And now that http://www.yaoihouse.net and http://www.yaoiunderground.com are no longer up, you no longer have access to those sites.

    *

    So, I decided to hunt around for an email she sent me regarding my lifetime membership in a “special group” and sent her this reply:

    I did NOT pay for a one year membership. I remember when you changed your membership rights for FUTURE subscribers after I subscribed wherein you stated that access to fiction would be limited to one year membership. Here is a portion of the email you sent me regarding MY membership as being part of a “special group”:

    Hello Elites and Blondies!

    I just wanted to update you on a few things. If you visit the site you may notice changes to the Elite and Blondie memberships in terms of benefits. These changes do not affect you. You are all my first Elites and Blondies and so you are a special group. You all have lifetime access to my restricted fiction.
    (excerpted email)

    And in a later email you referenced the CURRENT site:

    Some of you have emailed me about the Elites Only link at the new kirafics site http://www.kirafics.net, or the Elites Only link at http://www.yaoiunderground.com. Those are both the same areas (excerpted email)

    All I am asking for is that you honor your contractual obligations.

    Her reply to me was:

    That was an arrangement with Yaoi Underground, which is currently undergoing dissolution. This is a new site located at http://www.kiratakenouchi.com that is not affiliated with the old site.

    I sent her this final email in response:

    This is my last email to you because I see that I’m not going to get anywhere. You made public representations to people who were Blondies and Elites to your FORMER sites that they would have access to your CURRENT site. Note, for instance:

    I’ve started up a site again… It’s here: http://www.kiratakenouchi.com/. For those of you that were Elites or Blondies, you have free access
    (excerpt from yahoo message board)

    Which implies that memberships for Elites and Blondies and the lifetime access to the stories (inclusive of the memberships) survived the move from past sites to the current one.

    **

    My question is: since this new site was just formed and, yet, she’s made representations that former Elites and Blondies would have lifetime access to her stories, which Elites and Blondies are she referring to if not for those who subscribed to her previous sites?

    For someone who is trying to reestablish credibility, Kira is certainly doing a shoddy job. Those readers who were Elites and Blondies, take this as a lesson: if you opt for the lifetime membership access, be prepared to lose it in the instant Kira decides to move her stories from one site to another and claim that the new site is an entirely new “business.”

  54. (Jān)
    May 14, 2008 @ 19:20:23

    D.C., how frustrating for you. I have no idea how the system was set up, but I’m assuming the company has some say in how these stories are sold? Perhaps the new management could help you straighten things out with Kira. Esther is, I think, the new PR/communications person, so maybe she can mediate, even if it isn’t the company’s responsibility, just to get everything squared away.

  55. Ann Somerville
    May 14, 2008 @ 20:18:10

    D.C., that’s just outrageous. That’s nothing to do with her disorder, that’s just plain shoddy and dishonest practice. Where do you live? I suspect some kind of regulatory authority should be looking at this sooner rather than later.

  56. Alice Montrose
    May 14, 2008 @ 23:09:18

    Esther: So you would have me keep my mouth shut about the issue, instead? I thought we were “allowed” to rant and vent, now? (Not that I would have, you know, needed permission. It’s a free internet.)

    It wouldn’t have come to this if Kira would have pondered the situation, like the mature person that she is, before posting all sorts of contradictory messages. At least someone had the decency of removing the childish messages from the website, so that’s something. I have my doubts about the “very long queue of manuscript submissions”, but that’s just me.

    D.C.: Now why am I not surprised? *sigh*
    You should email the new company President about this, since it is now her responsibility not Kira’s. Though I doubt it will accomplish much.

  57. Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal » Blog Archive » May 15, 2008: Ready or not…
    May 15, 2008 @ 07:47:35

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  58. Disgruntled Customer
    May 15, 2008 @ 16:23:09

    Jan, Ann, and Alice: Thanks all for your supportive words. I got a follow-up email from Kira to the last one I sent and was granted access to the site. I hope others who’ve paid for access and otherwise (like the books on pre-order) don’t encounter the same difficulties.

  59. Sophie
    May 15, 2008 @ 16:23:16

    I like how she says that there is no affiliation between yaoiunderground.com and kiratakenouchi.com… and yet when I click on kiratakenouchi.com… what comes up? Yaoi Underground! WOW neat trick!

  60. Kira Takenouchi
    May 16, 2008 @ 12:09:18

    It is with great hesitation that I post here, and only because many of the outrageous claims stated here are so inaccurate that I simply must say something.

    It is certainly true that I experienced a mental state known clinically as bipolar mania with delusions/psychosis and that during this mania I posted bizarre messages in my journal and to my fan group. Those messages did include claims that I was giving up everything and voiding all contracts with the Yaoi House authors. This, of course, caused an uproar. There can be no question that the fallout from those messages was nothing less than disastrous, at least initially, when many believed I was actually walking away from everything I’d spent the past few years building.

    However, it should really not be surprising to you that once I was in my right mind again, I would want to claim what was legally mine–namely, my stories and my company. The courts are very clear that “announcements” or even signed documents made during a psychotic mania are not legally-binding. I had spent years building my companies and creating my fiction and had far too much invested to simply walk away. More than this, I knew I had obligations to my readers and those who had preordered my books to finish those books, and to get my fiction website back up and running.

    However, because others had already started dividing up my stories (without a notarized signature, by the way) and re-organizing the company, I had to be very aggressive. This aggression probably clouded my thinking a bit, especially with regard to stating that the Yaoi House author contracts were still in effect. But, in fact, the contracts themselves clearly state that they can ONLY be canceled if both the author and publisher sign a document to that effect:

    “26. This Agreement shall not be modified, amended, extended, renewed or canceled except by written instrument signed by both of the parties which makes specific reference to this Agreement.”

    All the authors had this contract in their possession and knew about this stipulation. It was not so much that the authors denied that they were still legally bound to Yaoi House (although some tried to make this assertion), however, but that, because of what had happened, they simply wanted to be freed of that contract. And that is understandable. Almost immediately we resolved to release the authors from the contracts, deciding that it was the best move for the authors and for the company as well. For the near future we are going to concentrate solely on the publication of my books, since customers are so anxious for them.

    It’s interesting; you all seem to think I don’t realize that my skills are best served in arenas other than management. In fact, I DO know this. How could I possibly not realize this after the chaos my illness caused? I’m mentally ill, not mentally challenged. I began trying to find new management for the company IMMEDIATELY. I asked Harial to be president but she refused (not surprisingly). I asked several others, who also refused. Finally, I turned to Anatra, one of my oldest and most loyal members and a very strong, intelligent, determined woman, and she–thankfully!–agreed to step in as president of Yaoi House.

    With regard to preorders, you seem to be under some false belief that we have a problem or a “crisis,” or that we are cheating our customers. This might have appeared to be the case On March 16 when I made my first notorious announcement. But in fact, nearly all the preorders have been refunded. Some people have chosen not to accept refunds and instead to receive free access to my site until the books are shipped.

    You might take a look at some of the answers my readers have gotten from me:

    http://www.kiratakenouchi.com/unrestricted/answers.php

    You also seem to be rather ignorant of what sort of fiction I write. The majority of my fiction is original:

    http://www.kiratakenouchi.com/unrestricted/fiction.php

    The Taming Riki series is based very loosely on Ai no Kusabi, and Yaoi House has cleared its publication with DMP/June. They surely realize that Taming Riki actually drives customers to Ai no Kusabi, so it is not surprising that that would agree to allow us to sell the books. Yes, we had an arrangement with them so that we could buy the Ai no Kusabi books wholesale and bundle them with Taming Riki. We did nothing illegal. We were very careful to get permission.

    So, YOU should also be careful about what you state as fact. Make sure you know what you’re talking about first. This journal could easily be part of a libel law suit. While some of the comments are indisputable, others are absolutely false and vindictive and since they do hurt the reputation of Yaoi House, you are putting yourself at legal risk by not moderating these replies.

    This will be my only post in this journal.

  61. Ann Somerville
    May 16, 2008 @ 14:41:33

    you are putting yourself at legal risk by not moderating these replies.

    Babycheeks, the one who should be worrying about legal action is you. If you could afford a lawyer in the first place, they’d tell you to shut the hell up, stop stirring the pot, and let people who aren’t in thrall to the idea of religious rapture, handle your affairs. Your understanding of your legal commitments and the way you play fast and loose with author and consumer rights, would mean a judge would eat you alive if this ever got that far.

    I asked Harial to be president but she refused (not surprisingly).

    Funny, I’ve been following this off and on for a couple of months and I could have sworn Harial was president for a month until you came back, accused everyone of every sin under the sun, called her a thief, defector and a few other lovely names. As I recall, she only resigned because you were making it absolutely impossible for her to continue trying to save your ungrateful arse and clean up the mess that you made. Yes, you were sick. You weren’t sick when you did all the above, or so you claim.

    This will be my only post in this journal.

    ::sits back and waits for the sockpuppets::

    The sad thing is, if this is how you perceive reality while your illness is supposedly under control, all I can say is that you must be a very strange person. But I also think maybe you don’t have your illness under as much control as you think. I won’t advise you to seek more help because you don’t listen to a damn thing anyone says that isn’t sucking up to you.

    My advice remains to everyone – keep the hell away from Kira Takenouchi’s business, don’t give her money, don’t sign her contracts, and don’t trust her as far as you can throw her. No one writes well enough to put up with this shit for.

  62. Megan
    May 16, 2008 @ 16:52:18

    To be perfectly blunt, and more than a little unprofessional, you’re full of shit. From start to finish you’ve been nothing but a flake. Unreliable, unstable, unreasonable – and you’ve cause a lot of trouble to a lot of people who never did anything but try to stand by you. Never mind the crap with which readers and writers have had to contend. I also think you’re just using the bipolar thing as an excuse. Talking to people diagnosed with it, people who study it and know it well – you do not sound like you suffer from it. Maybe I’m wrong, probably I’m wrong, but after following your behavior from the I Found Jesus to present day, I think you need to just shut up and go away and stop causing problems.

  63. DC
    May 16, 2008 @ 17:42:50

    Libel, in the first instance, from medialaw.org:

    “Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others.”

    Opinions are not statements of fact and, therefore, a defense to a libel claim. Many of the statements made here can easily be construed as opinions rather than statements of fact.

    And as litigation can be very time-consuming and, therefore, very costly, threat of a lawsuit doesn’t have much teeth unless you have dispensable wealth to back it up. Which is unlikely. And, p.s., both of the previous statements were opinions.

  64. Sophie
    May 16, 2008 @ 20:57:33

    Kira’s version of things seems to be skewed. I am actually one of Heather’s/Harial’s friends from the University and as such have spoken with her on nermerous occasions. I saw the email that was sent to her by Kira when she asked Heather to come back as President. And if I remember correctly, what she WANTED was for Harial bring all the authors she had gathered for her new company, SL, and put them back to work for YH and for Heather to abandon her new enterprise. Heather declined because she was not willing to abandon her new company and she felt it was a conflict of interest to run two companies that do the same thing. Kira then sent her an email calling her a ‘slimy traitor’.

    Heather has since forgiven her for this, but everyone who knows her knows she is WAY to nice. So while she may have forgiven Kira, I won’t be.

    P.S. Heather if you do end up reading this, I do apologize for posting things that probably shared in confidence but holding these damaging emails to yourself does not help anyone but Kira.

  65. boggled
    May 17, 2008 @ 13:36:59

    “The courts are very clear that “announcements” or even signed documents made during a psychotic mania are not legally-binding. ”

    red flag alert. someone mentally ill who is well versed in her legal rights while under the influence of her illness REEKS of premeditation and someone who ran the gambit to force an issue and when it backfired in her face, pulled out the legal mumbo-jumbo.

    it does cast a shadow on her supposed sickness.

  66. Bernita
    May 17, 2008 @ 13:51:35

    We’ve seen the “mean girls” charge and the legal threats.
    I’m waiting for the “wicca curse.”

  67. The Amused Audience
    May 17, 2008 @ 14:13:14

    …this is so messed up… in an very amusing fashion…

    What i want to know is why Kira just doesn’t publicly apologize instead of trying to justify herself. Jeez, lady, are you trying to be the first person to be banned from the internet or something?! You’re starting to be regarded as public enemy no.1 by readers/writers!

    You made some(many) mistakes, now cough out an apology and start cleaning up the mess you made. The more you try to justify yourself, the more you come off as a whiny psychotic bitch. Please just start acting professional because although this is amusing to us, people who have no ties to this and quite frankly, does not affect us in any way, You are quite honestly cheating the people you have obligations to like certain subscribers and writers!

    So please stop wasting your time trying to justify yourself and use that time to solve the current predicament you are in!

    …and quite honestly, you are in deep shit

    by the way DC, I’m happy your problem got fixed. :D

  68. Disgruntled
    May 19, 2008 @ 10:39:23

    My advice remains to everyone – keep the hell away from Kira Takenouchi's business, don't give her money, don't sign her contracts, and don't trust her as far as you can throw her. No one writes well enough to put up with this shit for.

    Ditto.

    Kira, to put it bluntly, screwed a lot of people over with this little episode, and then attacked those who weren’t kissing her ass all the time.
    What’s worse, she’s posting these “legal” decisions on Yahoo Forums. Does that strike anyone else as being, gee, a tad unprofessional?
    And I have a message for Kira and her little minion Esther: We can say whatever the hell we want about your shoddy business practices. When you shape up your company’s way of doing things, then maybe you can go on the internet and find some praise for you. Honestly, do you expect our sympathies and for us to worship you when you’re acting like this?

  69. (Jān)
    May 19, 2008 @ 12:52:09

    Kira, I know you’re reading these comments, and even though I doubt you’ll listen to me, I’ll try to give you some advice. This is based upon me seeing a number of publishers and authors get caught with their pants down, so to speak. The ones who deny it and keep dragging it on with petty arguments are the ones who pay most dearly by driving away fans and customers. Those who admit they’re wrong, fix the problem, and drop it come out of it looking the most professional, and even win new fans and customers. Which would you rather be?

    One more piece of advice. Read Jane’s columns here about libel and defamation. She knows of what she speaks.

    I’m pretty sure you won’t listen to this, but since you yelled at people before for not stopping you from acting irrationally, I thought it might be worth a shot to try to stop you from doing it now.

  70. Paul Bens
    May 19, 2008 @ 17:11:36

    “This Agreement shall not be modified, amended, extended, renewed or canceled except by written instrument signed by both of the parties which makes specific reference to this Agreement.”

    Irrespective of anything regarding Yaoi House (an issue of which I am not particularly educated on), I thought I would point out to all authors that while the above contractual provision would appear to protect authors, it does in fact, not really do so as it is missing an essential element.

    The above provides that the written consent is required of both parties to modify or cancel. So, what is to say that the publisher (or the author, for that matter) can’t REFUSE to sign such an instrument?

    The phrase that is missing here is something akin to “such consent not to be unreasonably withheld by either party.” If contractual language similar to that quoted at the beginning of this post appears in any contract, you should ask for it to be modified so as to include some provision that prevents either party from refusing to amend and/or terminate.

    Not a lawyer, just used to reading a lot of contracts.

  71. Ann Somerville
    May 19, 2008 @ 17:29:22

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kirafics2/message/46

    We are working on eFics now to get up on our new server. I must announce that a few of the writers were removed from the archives, along with their stories, for being particularly nasty toward me and broadcasting their anti-Kira venom far and wide on the net. I feel completely justified in removing them from MY archive, because actions DO have consequences. You can’t bad-mouth someone forever and hope to get away with it without some recourse. Now, I’m only talking about the really nasty folks here, not just anyone who said something against me over the past few months, since I’m sure nearly everyone had a few choice comments to share. No, I’m talking about people that are so vindictive they make my skin crawl…truly sick people (who need professional help) who are apparently devoted to trying to bring me down EVEN NOW and whose bad behavior was reported to me by countless concerned fans. I will not tolerate such persons at my archive.

    “You can’t bad-mouth someone forever and hope to get away with it without some recourse.” – You said it, Kira darling. Although you dishing out advice about seeking professional help is something you ought to be practicing in front of a mirror.

    Funny how this girl is following the script for bad publishers to the letter, don’t you think? And I thought Esther was bad at public communication.

    In fact, Esther the PR person and Elizabeth the President have been conspicuous by their silence recently. Could it possibly be that Kira has fallen out with them too? Say it ain’t so.

    She also says in this charming public missive that “I’ve been very ill with a bipolar mania that included elements of delusion and psychosis, but I’m well now.” So it’s on record – she’s not sick now, she’s just normally a nasty, vindictive bitch with no ethics. In my opinion, of course.

  72. Lati
    May 20, 2008 @ 01:07:47

    Wow, dodged a bullet here. I was just about to subscribe to her website, lured in by the interesting looking stories and pretty art. Sweet god I’m glad I did a little nosing around, and that she posted something on her website that clued me in to a problem.

    The last thing I want is to hand over my money for no product like some of these poor people. I’m not a charity and I have no desire to contribute to the Kira’s Psychosis Fund. Looking at all of this, and her melodramatic post here…wow. Bad form, bad form indeed. I’ll stick with reliable authors who arn’t likely to go Fundie on me at the drop of a pin…or, you know.Lock meout of the site because they don’t like my attitudeor something.

  73. angie
    May 20, 2008 @ 16:27:52

    This is so sad. Kira is a wonderful writer and has held hundreds of fan’s affection for years.
    Not that she didn’t had some nasty reactions in the past, but everyone is allowed to be angry from time to time, ne?
    But in my opinion lately she’s been showing more and more that she thinks she is above everyone else and everything she herself does.

    I repeat: it so sad…she had many friends and she drove them away by exasperation, and offending them again and again. And I cannot see how the ones who remained are real friends to her since they seem to continuely overlook what she does and keep protecting her despite everything. Saying “poor Kira” won’t help her, actually some of them sound like opportunistic lackeys to me: “Poor Kira! Such nasty people, don’t mind them, you’re perfect!!!! Now be a good girl and go back writing!”
    Brrrr.
    But maybe I’m wrong.
    My aunt once was ill. She wasn’t bi-polar but she suffered of depression. I remember what they told us: never just go along with her. Be mindfull of her illness and don’t be uselessly critical, but if she’s doing something wrong, tell her, she’s not stupid.

    And Harial…God! I’ve always suspected Kira conversion wasn’t real, and I contacted Harial with concerns about a possible return of Kira and new problems. And Harial never once said anything nasty toward Kira, always defending her…even when Kira offended her publicly.

    Weeell…I hope everything will go on smoothly for both Kira and Harial.
    That Kira will overcome this moment and have success with her company again, and that she will learn that if you do wrong you apologize and you pay. You don’t go throwing blame onto others. And you don’t use your illness as an excuse for everything. Has someone else said already most of us forgave her for her maniac attack..it’s what came after, while “sane”, that it’s difficult to forgive.

    For my part I hope this will be my last message on this. I’m rather fed up with everything. And I just wanna move on and only mind about the good fiction.

    bye to all

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  75. lady_black_cat
    May 28, 2008 @ 01:42:02

    Wow! I feel so utterly duped! I was one of Kira’s many fans who read her stories, gave my reviews/comments to, and awaited for new chapter updates. And like that many, I was utterly shocked and appalled by her so-called “Radical Life Change” TWO DAYS after posting about looking for proofreaders! I felt utter disappointment in her and initially thought that this whole thing was a joke or that someone else got into her account and posted BS. But nope, I was wrong. Though in a way, it does seem like a joke now, doesn’t it?

    Now, I see this neat blog and like I said earlier, I feel duped. I still haven’t forgiven her for shooting down my hopes like she did, but a tiny bit of me hoped she was happy after all the hardships she went through, but after seeing this blog, she has none of my forgiveness. Like what everyone here said, if she just apologized to everyone (writers, readers and all), be responsible for her actions and clean up the mess that she made, then ok, no grudge against her. But noooo, she just HAS to add more fuel to the fire by trying to justify herself and driving more people away, except her minions, I mean friends.

    Sorry for posting nothing but bitterness, but those words are how I feel. I hope no one here minds them.

    LBC

  76. Curious Cat
    May 29, 2008 @ 06:41:12

    Just by googling her pen name after researching the fiction and reading this blog, I have come upon the distinct impression that this Kira individual is a narcissist. She seems to seek approval with the drive of a moth to the flame, and though the sampling of the writing I have read is indeed excellent, she (personally) in her dealings in the internet public has proved herself as one that might best be suited to be an anonymous and hermit-like author.

    http://kiramorningstar.com/journal/?p=3

    http://kiramorningstar.christianblogsites.com/blog/

    Leaving sites up like this after she claims to have recovered from this particular episode is rather a a bad idea, but I am not terribly surprised considering what I have learned of her repeated irresponsible reactions to any bad PR, and lack of ability to sufficiently cover her tracks afterwards.

    As to the suggestions that she is a scam artist, I sincerely doubt that. Scam artist are a great deal smarter about their setup, and usually take down everything associated to their scam after they get your money.

    I do however believe what she is doing in terms of her fan-fiction is immoral, and I was saddened to learn that buying subscriptions is so unreliable because I would be interested in reading the original fiction if that were not the case.

    I do not think that Kira is capable of handling responsibilities in a mature and reliable manner, and it should be easy for anyone to determine based on unprofessional content on her own pay site. Presentation says a lot, and visual presentation is only so much of it (The sites are indeed very pretty). Someone selling things should keep in mind that they are catering to a literate audience.

  77. Alice Montrose
    May 31, 2008 @ 00:10:25

    Copied from my LiveJournal:

    First of all, I want to direct all of you with access to Becca’s LJ to have a look at her most recent entry. It’s locked, but I’ve asked permission to at least quote it here. It prompted me to get off my ass and finally mail them my official cancellation request. (Many thanks to alighiera for wording it just right! ♥)

    ———-
    Yaoi House LLC
    Attn. [Anatra’s real name]
    [company last known address]

    CANCELLATION OF CONTRACT
    Dear Ms [Anatra’s real name],

    I hereby inform you that I consider our contract of June 27, 2006 regarding the publication of “Shielded in Broken Armours” to be void for the following reason:

    An email received from Ms. [Kira’s real name] on May 14 informing me that “You are all now formally released from your Yaoi House contracts, if you choose to be”.

    For this reason I consider our contract to be cancelled effective immediate, as Yaoi House LLC no longer intends to honour their agreement.

    Regardless, I consider our Standard Author Agreement of June 27, 2006 to become void as of June 27, 2008, by which time the two-year term of the contract will have passed.

    Included please find a copy of the termination of our contract. I ask that you return one, signed, to me, by either postal delivery or electronic scan.

    According to international industry practice, a lack of response shall be taken as agreement to the termination of the contract.

    Kind regards,
    [my name and address]
    Sibiu, May 31 2008
    ———-

    After which, I get a reply from… you guessed it, Kira! O.O

    The following exchange took place.

    ———-
    That’s great, however we won’t be SIGNING anything since apparently you all think an email is sufficient to void the contract.

    Kira
    ———-
    Dear Kira,

    First of all, WHY are you emailing me? The email was addressed to the company president. I have CCed you and Esther on it out of courtesy, nothing else.

    Secondly, I am not simply emailing you, I will be sending a copy via regular mail on Monday, when the post office is open. Just so we’re clear on that.

    Alice
    ———-
    I AM the company president, my dear. [Anatra] is Vice President.

    And I still won’t be SIGNING anything.

    Just so we’re clear on that.
    ———-
    I believe your public announcement on the issue stated things differently. In any case…

    Since you won’t sign anything, I shall consider the contract null and void starting June 27, as stated. I have checked with an international law attorney, and she said it was the correct assumption.

    Thank you very much for your time. I will not bother you again.

    Alice
    ———-
    Anatra stepped down because it was too much work, as I suspected would be the case, since I’ve been running the show for the past 3 years. Have a nice life.

    Kira
    ———-

    Well well well… Anatra is no longer President? That was news to me. Maybe, as Delilah said (and I concur), she realized that Kira would still be de facto president, but Anatra’s name will still be attached to the decisions, be they good or bad.

    In any case, cancellation letter will be going out by mail on Monday, regardless if she signs it or not. It is time I stopped caring about YH and Kira and whatnot.

  78. Mathia
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 01:53:00

    You people really need to get a life! Why on earth are you obsessing on something like this? I heard Kira is back now with a new site and very successful already, that must make you all very jealous…I know some of you are writers because I’ve read you and no offense, none of you (that I’ve read) come anywhere close to Kira Takenouchi. My guess is that’s why there’s so much hatred here. Try therapy.

  79. Ann Somerville
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 02:04:09

    Ah, winter starts in Australia and here comes the first sockpuppet to keep my hands warm.

    Really, Kira and friends, do you think you ought to be telling *other* people to get therapy? Really?

  80. lady_black_cat
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 02:06:15

    Um, Mathia, why would we be jealous of someone who couldn’t handle her own business seriously? She’s obviously not right in the head.

    WE need therapy? None of us had any hallucinations of an invisible man telling us what or what not to write.

    P.S.
    Is Kira once again known as Takenouchi? Didn’t she change her last name to Morningstar after her so-called “radical life change”?

  81. Nancy Schuch
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 12:37:14

    While I do like some of the other authors that have posted their opinions here, I don’t see that you have the right to bash someone, unless you yourself have been in a similar situation. Kira has had issues all along. Most of us who subscribed to her site knew this before signing on. For Goddess sake, put on your big kid pants and move the hell on. If you don’t like how she’s doing things, just don’t go to her site. It’s as simple as that. Just like if you don’t like a t.v. show or a song on the radio, change the channel or just turn it off. NO ONE but YOU if forcing you to continue to read her fictions or even go to her site. Please just get over it and move on. If the problems that arose from Kira’s temporary lapse of reality doesn’t affect you personally, you really don’t have the right to say any thing at all.

  82. (Jān)
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 13:28:18

    Nancy, perhaps you haven’t been watching this thread. Here is what has happened time and again. The discussion dies. Someone like you comes along to berate all of the commenters. The discussion starts back up. The only time this pattern is broken is when one of the authors that Kira has screwed over posts her latest run-ins with her, because she has no other public forum to speak in.

    So basically the people keeping this alive are Kira, because she keeps doing outrageous things to these authors, and people like you, who keep coming here and telling us to be quiet.

    In other words, you failed yourself.

  83. Janet
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 14:29:09

    You all remind me of a group of old spinsters, who sit on the porch watching the world go by and gossiping about every one and everything they see. You must have no life to speak of if this is what you do all day. I’ve read all of your comments regarding this Kira issue, and I find your conversations malicious at best. I wouldn’t doubt or blame anyone if they decided to move away from YOU. And I wouldn’t be surprised if you started to lose YOUR audience for the type of remarks like those I just read. I certainly would not want you to comment on anything I wrote, for this shows me the type of people you really are. If I wanted to read a gossip journal, I’d go to any news stand and buy the Enquire, or any other gossip rag out there, as that is more fitting place to find gossip, than a site which claims to be insightful of the topics of interest or the “Honest Commentary” you claim to provide. I believe I will remove YOU from my bookmark, as I won’t be wasting one more minute of MY time with your group. I’m disappointed.

  84. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:08:40

    Hello!
    I have only one request: please read this comment until the end. I would like to explain my point of view and some of the misunderstandings that have found their way here.
    I’m honestly one of Kira’s fans and have been for quite some time. I’m seriously sad to read all the things some of you have written on this page. Yeah, I agree there was a period when things went out of control this spring, with both the actual site and the YaoiHouse. Yes, the shareholders took over the situation and tried to minimalize the losses. Some of the readers had gotten really anxious and left, taking the refund offers, others stayed and tried to wait it out. Eventually some of the stories were supposed to be continued by other authors, since Kira was unable to and the subscribers that stayed with the site wanted their subscriptions to be fulfilled, and the books finished and delivered. Some time later, Kira got help and regained her composure, was on her meds and was thinking clearly again, so she wanted her work back. I am not familiar with the specific laws and also never saw an actual contract or official paper signed (I’m not a member of the shareholder’s group), so I’m not sure what went on ‘behind the curtains’ of the Yahoo!Group. Kira was very upset about what happened, and wanted her stories back and the sites as well. I can somewhat understand what happened to her, I’m a med student so I’ve encountered bipolar people in real life – and worse. To act weird and have hallucinations and then wake up and find everything you dreamed of in that nightmare, actually be true, is not pleasant at all! She did want her life back, and repeatedly said she was sorry, but after some time she felt personally attacked and panicked. The members and subscribers felt unsure how to handle the new change, felt betrayed, again, and had to deal with it. One of the comments here gave a quote of the post where Kira said she would ban the people who joined the group where the members could openly talk about their issues with the changes, where they could get some steam off. I would like to mention that Kira did retract that in a message afterwards and no one was banned. You have to understand that she was still upset about finding out her world had fallen apart. Also, you mentioned that there were the contract-binding-problems. A final message about that topic stated that all the writers were freed of their contracts and were free to do as they wished. Also, Harial left with some of the shareholders (I’m not sure who, as I said, I’m not a member of the shareholder’s group), starting their own company, and I think some of the authors went along with them. Kira felt betrayed, but she did eventually wish them luck with it. It came to my attention that there were a few people on the internet that wrote bad things about her and her sites, and that Kira herself felt attacked by it. She also posted a message on the Y!Group with this “DearAuthor” thing, and that’s how I’ve found it. I’m sorry that I didn’t read all the posts here, it’s a really long page :) and I’m rather time-restricted (I’ve got an exam this weekend and have to study :P) but I’ve noticed that some of the statements here are based on only one idea at a time, so I wanted to put it all into perspective. I hope you understand a little of how things went around here, and I also want to mention that some of the authors did come back, I’m not giving names, but I’m forwarding Kira’s offer to discuss any intention of any author to continue with YaoiHouse. I don’t want you to think that I’m writing an ad here, but the post is on the Y!Group and I think you have access to it, whoever wrote this page – sorry, I don’t know who you are – because you did quote some of the posts there, and besides, you’ll see the offer anyway :P. I guess it sounds like a peace offer. But then again, the offer stood long before Kira posted that message, because she gave a free choice to the YH authors. And Kira promised that her illness should not return, now that she’s under proper medical care and has Anatra and Esther and a lot of help to keep the company going. I know that her promise may not be enough for some of you, but she does her best, and that’s enough for me.
    And yes, I have preorders and actual books already in my hands (both TR Part 1 and Part 2), and I’ve been around for quite some time, so I’ve been through the insecurity as well and decided to stick with it. Also, I would like to mention, since it seems I haven't included it into the huge block of text above (-.- I DID write a lot, didn’t I) that not all the stories at Kira’s site are about Rieko Yoshihara’s “Ai no Kusabi”, like Taming Riki, and there is a different story to it, and it doesn’t end with the two main characters dying. Also there is this small text at the bottom of the page that goes like: “All stories at this site are by Kira Takenouchi. The beautiful and timeless story Ai no Kusabi was written by the magnificent Rieko Yoshihara, to whom all Taming Riki books are most humbly dedicated. The Taming Riki series are dedicated also in loving memory of Shiozawa Kaneto, who remains the eternal voice of Iason Mink…”
    And I don’t think Kira makes her subscriptions out of ‘doujinshies’, because we love reading Headmaster’s Chambers, Moon over Atlantis, Harem Boy, Barbarian’s Slave, The Punishment of Shiiki, Once a Chieftain, I, Incubus, The Boy from Braxton Creek and Tristan’s Reform. As you may see, there are a lot of original stories here that are really extraordinary and would be more than enough to keep any subscriber hooked.
    So, these are my thoughts on the matter. If you don't agree with or don’t understand some of what I said, please ask for an explanation. I’ll be happy to help sort things out. ^_^

  85. Jane
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:14:26

    Diana – is this the same yahoo group where Kira has threatened to sue Dear Author and has asked for help in identifying the group’s owners so that she can sue them? Doesn’t sound like an olive branch to me.

  86. AmyRiggle
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:21:23

    \”I do however believe what she is doing in terms of her fan-fiction is immoral, and I was saddened to learn that buying subscriptions is so unreliable because I would be interested in reading the original fiction if that were not the case.\”

    You have a lot of nerve dictating what morality is when you\’re basically here trying to tear down this woman\’s life and reputation. The only \”fan-fiction\” (if it can even be called that, which is doubtful since Takenouchi created a whole UNIVERSE)on her site is Taming Riki, and how is it immoral if the copyright owners have GIVEN THEIR BLESSING to her, that she may sell these books? And in case you haven\’t figured it out, Taming Riki is nearly as popular as Ai no Kusabi now–maybe even MORE popular. YOU have absolutely NO RIGHT to act as though she\’s doing anything wrong at all!

    Her subscriptions aren\’t \”unreliable.\” Anyone who had them canceled was either refunded or give free months of membership at her new site. She even gave some people lifetime memberships, or so I understand. I actually got 6 free months, because she gave that away back when she first started the site, to members who had their subscriptions canceled.

    It\’s actually Harem Boy and Moon Over Atlantis that I subscribe for, not Taming Riki, by the way. It\’s not a \”fan-fiction subscription\” site, so get the facts straight.

    And all this fuss about contracts, well did any of you READ the contracts? So how do you know if what she did was legal or not? According to the clause she posted those contracts are technically still valid, if that\’s an actual pull-out clause from one of the contracts, which I\’m assuming it is because that\’s an industry-standard clause, unless I\’m mistaken. Contracts are ALWAYS weighted in favor of the publisher. If you\’re writers and you don\’t know this you better get a clue fast.

    From what was posted on Kira\’s group it sounds like there was some illegal business going on with the SL Publishing group, the writers who took over Kira\’s work, and the writers (apparently the same ones) who decided to break their contracts and form a new company with the SL Publishing Group, and they actually took money from Yaoi House on top of it. So you\’re not telling the whole story here, and not only that some of this crap will probably put you all in court. Oh God, I so hope she DOES sue you!!! I hope it does happen, you all deserve it for posting an \”article\” like this. I will kiss her feet if she does sue you. I\’ll never read YOUR journal again or trust what you have to say about anything. This has got to be one of the most pathetic sites I\’ve ever visited.

  87. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:37:27

    It seems you are informed of the recent posts and have read them. I do think you understand that Kira did react to your statement and the comments of other people around here. My intention was just to tell the whole story, as some of the information you have posted here is telling only half of it – the bad half.
    If you do know the whole story (and you clearly do), I don’t know why you let there be such a gap between the comments here and what eventually happened and how it was solved. You are the editor here, you should have told the whole truth. Anyone can take parts of a conversation, for example, and put them into quotes, and then tell a different story with them.
    The moment these comments have been posted, you knew Kira was attacked and now you don’t assume responsibility for your own site? I’m not talking about legal responsability, because I’m not familiar with the laws to be applied in such a case… :P if any… I have no idea. But Kira just wants to know who did this to her, and even though you didn’t write all the comments on this page – many have – it IS your site, and you should have cleared the accusations as soon as you had more information. I think journalism is about the truth, not just one version of it. And I thought you try to tell the truth on DearAuthor. At least, I was under that impression.
    Anyway, the “olive branch” you mentioned, I take it was about the peace offer I told about, is for the authors of YaoiHouse. I didn’t mention anything about Kira’s position regarding this site. I just said she was upset about several opinions on the internet, one of them being the comments on this site.
    All I wanted was to inform the people who read this page about what eventually happened.

  88. Jane
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:39:16

    Diana – I actually have no idea what you are talking about.

  89. (Jān)
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:41:11

    Diana, thank you for a reasonable post. The people that come to rail at everyone only make Kira and her fans look worse. They do not look like they’re in the mood to discuss things.

    Concerning your post, it’s pretty clear now that Kira writes original as well as fan fiction. I’d only heard of her for her Ai no Kusabi stories, and was unaware of the others.

    About the messages on the yahoo group: It has been closed to all readers except members for some time now. And just checking the page, it’s completely closed unless a person buys her way in. No one else has any way to read what Kira’s saying there now, unless people forward them the messages.

    I really wish someone would suggest to the people on that group that they’re the only ones keeping this controversy alive. The rest of us have dropped it time and again. Their posts here are implying that they want people to stop talking about it, so I’m not sure why they are taking actions that result in the exact opposite.

  90. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:42:32

    I’m sorry that I don’t seem to make sense to you.
    What should I explain more thoroughly?
    Jane, the information on your page was not up to date. That was all I wanted to say. I do have access to both Y!Group and Kira’s site, so I’m informed.
    Thank you for letting me say this.

  91. Jane
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:45:06

    If you do know the whole story (and you clearly do), I don't know why you let there be such a gap between the comments here and what eventually happened and how it was solved. You are the editor here, you should have told the whole truth. Anyone can take parts of a conversation, for example, and put them into quotes, and then tell a different story with them.

    Kira herself came and made a comment to clarify the situation from her point of view. It seems like the “whole story” may never be know but both sides are certainly here for everyone to read. So I guess I don’t understand why or how you think that the “whole story” is being suppressed somehow.

  92. (Jān)
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 15:45:20

    Whoa, I guess I should have hit “Submit Comment” sooner.

    Diana, your second post is a little too cryptic for me.

  93. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 16:02:01

    Dear Amy Riggle, Nancy Shuch, Janet and Diana,

    Why are you even here? Many of the people coming an commenting here are interested in Kira’s writing, but looking for other people’s experiences before paying for a service. This is a perfectly reasonable course of action.

    In my case I was interested in the fiction, but put off by childish comments on a pay site saying things such as “I am still princess, damn it” and no clear Terms or Contract to read before purchasing the service.

    Such things drove me to research further and discover what kind of nonsense I should be worried about, and dissatisfied customers are a valid source of gathering information.

    Are any of you terribly concerned Kira protectors actually speaking on Kira’s behalf? Or are you just unnecessarily involving yourself in something that is none of your business, to tell others that it is none of their business?

    Marching on an unfriendly conversation to type in angry and self righteous caps and bold emphasis, or endless run on sentences, defending someone that should not need defending if their business was sincerely trustworthy speaks clearly of bad argument for the sake of rabble rousing.

    If an intelligent discussion over the dangers of buying a service is a pathetic site far beyond any you have visited, I am afraid to know what a worthwhile site would be in your esteemed opinion.

    If you had actually felt the urge to understand what you were reading here, you might realize that the only thing in question is Kira’s business sense, and the fact that it seems repeatedly questionable as to who is running the service to read what I believe we have all admitted is excellent writing.

    I am personally appalled that you feel you have a right to accuse us of maliciousness when the mental health issues were brought to attention by the author in question herself, and not handled in any reasonable PR or good business manner afterwards.

    I fear for the future of published fiction if delivery and quality of service is ignored in favor of the quality of the writing. There is more to being worth the price people pay for an art than just the art itself. If an expensive piece of work was delivered badly with terrible packaging, and in an untimely matter, people would no longer want to purchase from that source, if they had any reasonable amount of intelligence.

    I would formally like to ask you who feel the right to censure our actions, to question your own in writing here first, and if you are actually concerned for Kira’s reputation based on your own experiences, instead write an accounting of why people should buy the service, how the promises have been fulfilled, and in what manner.

    Unfortunately for you, I can only point out that the manner of delivery for your Kira defense only hurts your cause. I am more weary than ever of buying a service that all the people who would defend can only do so in a hostile manner without calmly and courteously pointing out the facts and experiences as they see it.

  94. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 16:10:49

    Sorry, Jan, I didn’t see your post before, I was talking about the “Diana – I actually have no idea what you are talking about.” post from Jane. :P But thank you for the comment. I hope you understand that we are just fans trying to express out point of view, and some are more… enthusiastic… sometimes.
    And, Jane, please understand that Kira tried to explain it from her point of view, but she was rather upset at that time. I would be upset if people would say mean things about me, and I’m not talking about ALL the posts here :)
    Also, what I wanted to say and what you might not have understood in my post earlier, is that I don’t know if this is a matter of the law or not (I have no idea if it is…) and that’s about it.
    And… sorry, if I snapped a little there (I’m tired, and it’s past midnight), with the ‘it’s your site thing’ but I did say I hadn’t read all the posts, and I think you could have mediated a little the conversation here, some of the comments do make a lot of false accusations. Maybe I think like this because I’m more of a pacifist ~.~

  95. (Jān)
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 16:21:58

    Diana, there is a statement on the sidebar of the main page about the way comments are handled on this blog, and it points to a post that discusses it more thoroughly.

    Personally, I think that by allowing open and uncensored posting, the discussion itself ended up clarifying a lot of things. It’s all here for people to read. :)

  96. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 16:33:11

    Dear Yukiko,
    I’m sorry if I seemed unreasonable to you, but I just wanted to clear a few things. If you truly are just “looking for other people's experiences before paying for a service” you should at least hear ours too, right? I, for example, have a good experience with Kira’s sites. Do you just want to hear the bad parts? I’m sorry if you took anything I said in an “unfriendly conversation to type in angry and self righteous caps and bold emphasis, or endless run on sentences, defending someone that should not need defending”-way.
    And to honour your request to “write an accounting of why people should buy the service, how the promises have been fulfilled, and in what manner”, I would like to share my experiences.
    After Taming Riki Part 1 was finished, I received within three weeks of the shipping notice (I live in Europe, so there was some shipping time). Also, the second part came within a month of the shipping notice, a little late because I forgot to pick it up from the Post Office :P. And Part 3 is supposed to be ready by the end of Summer. I understand that it’s hard to edit a book (I did some editing myself for one of my teacher’s books, you know – page setting, header and footer type of time consuming editing) so I’m patient. Also, there is an update we, the fans and readers can choose: the pick the update poll. Very funny thing. And it actually works, Kira usually updates the story we choose, if, obviously the story picked doesn’t repeat itself (that keeps all the stories updated at a certain interval, not just one story on and on). With all the trouble there was with reestablishing the sites (the site was moved to a different location – a fresh start) and entering the username/password combos again, for every subscriber (takes some time), we had four updates until now. And there is another one coming these days (Kira said she’s finishing it soon).

    And about the way the comments are handled (it’s good that I took the time to read my mails and see your response :P), like Jan said, I didn’t read all the parts of this blog, so I don’t know how it’s supposed to work around here :) but thanks for the tip. Still, by choosing an uncensored type of site, a lot of emotions went loose.
    I’m really sorry if you took my posts in a bad way… I’m not here with bad intentions. :)

  97. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 16:43:13

    Dear Diana,

    Thank you for clarifying your position and experiences. I had much difficulty reading your previous lengthy post.

    Do you have any information to share on the manner in which one pays for the site, what contracts a customer is protected or expected to abide by, or if you feel the amount payed is worth the service provided?

    I was not very impressed with the lack of an easy link to how to pay, or a page with a secure connection by which to pay. I am rather worried about these things if I am to use a credit card.

    Thank you for your input,
    Yukiko

  98. Diana
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 17:07:41

    Dear Yukiko,
    If I remember correctly, Kira said something about not taking preorders anymore, until she has the actual books in her hands. But I’m not sure about that. Anyway, the site is still being worked upon, as I have mentioned, it was recently moved to a new location. The only actual order site I’ve found right now (I mean like 5 minutes ago) on the YahoiHouse site, is for Taming Riki part 1 and 2, because those are already available and the subscription at the site with all the updates. Anything else has a “Coming soon” under it. And those “Order” buttons take you to a Paypal site. I think that’s secure, isn’t it? And its not that hard to access those sites.
    I hope that’s helpful. :)
    And about the quality-payment comparison: I feel it’s really great. I love the books, and I mean, they’re 500 pages long, with beautiful images (coloured prints, high quality… obviously not handmade on the actual book :P that would be too much *small joke* – the old books, around the 13 century were like that, back then there were almost no books at all, and they were really expensive – just for the idea of it :D) and the cover is imprinted (I’m not sure if I’m saying this right: it’s embossed…? like, when you run your hand over the cover, the images are like ‘coming out’ of the cover… bad explanation… :P). The paper used is also smooth. I like both a lot. And there is a certificate that comes with the book, to comfirm it’s an original. And both certificate, and book, are signed and with the YaoiHouse stamp on it.
    Hugs,
    Diana

  99. Janet
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 18:05:47

    I’m here because I’ve read your journal for some time now, however, I am also a fan of Kira’s stories. When you first began to “comment” on the fallout of Yaoi House, I had several friends who wanted memberships, but when they googled Kira’s name, they were taken to this site and straight into your comments. To say they were appalled and infuriated is putting it mildly. They did buy their memberships btw, but were upset nonetheless for the mayhem that followed. So to answer your question as to why I’m here today, I believe my first post explains it quite well. To throw back your own question, “What are you even doing here?” what are you doing on Kira’s site yourself, hm?

    And finally, as for letting the thread die down: “Nancy, perhaps you haven't been watching this thread. Here is what has happened time and again. The discussion dies.” Everytime a prospective member looks up Kira’s name, it is YOUR site that pops up with it’s inflammatory comments. So how would you feel if the same was being done to YOU? I would have not bothered to comment today, if not for them pointing this out to me. As I said before, I’m disappointed.

    Whatever, I’m done with you all, don’t bother to answer, I won’t be looking.

  100. Barbara
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 18:26:06

    LETS GET IT STRAIGHT PEOPLE!! KIRA HAS BI-POLAR. IT IS A FORM OF MENTAL ILLNESS. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS BI-POLAR. I’VE SEEN MY FRIEND IN HER HIGHS AND HER LOWS. NEITHER IS PRETTY. MY DAD HAD ALZHIEMERS. BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU: NEVER EVER JUDGE A PERSON UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED A MILE IN THEIR SHOES!

    ALL THESE AUTHORS BOO HOO BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED. GET OVER IT!! WHAT ABOUT THOSE AUTHORS WHO HAD CONTRACTS WITH HER AND WANTED OUT? SHE ALLOWED THEM TO BREAK THEIR CONTRACTS. SO, WHO IS CALLING WHO FOUL?

    YES, HER FIRST PSYCHOATIC EPISODE COST HER HER MARRIAGE AND HER DAUGHTER. JUST HOPE ASTRID DOESN’T SUCCUMB. YES, BI-POLAR CAN BE PASSED ON. IF ASTRID DOESN’T SUCCUMB, ANY FUTURE CHILDREN SHE MAY HAVE CAN GET BI-POLAR. SAME WITH A LOT OF MENTAL ILLNESSES.

    SINCE KIRA DIDNOT SIGN ANY PAPERS SHE WAS WITHIN HER LEGAL RIGHTS TO TAKE BACK HER STORIES AND HER SITE. EVERY THING UP TO THAT POINT WAS JUST VERBAL. SHE HAS TRIED TO MAKE AMENDS AND HAS APOLOGIZED TILL SHES BLUE IN THE FACE. SHE HAS TRIED TO MAKE RESTITIUTION. BUT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAN’T LET GO NO ONE IS ABLE TO MOVE ON. TO THOSE DIPSTICKS, GET A LIFE! BEING BITTER AND ANGRY ALL THE TIME SERVES NO ONE. NEGATIVE EMOTIONS CAN CAUSE NOT ONLY HEALTH PROBLEMS BUT PSYCOLOGICAL ONCES AS WELL. NEGATIVITY SERVES NO ONE BUT ITSELF.

    BESIDES, “LET HIM/HER CAST THE FIRST STONE WHO HAS NOT LIED, CHEATED, STOLE, BAD MOUTHED, STICK A KNIFE IN ONE’S BACK, ETC., ETC.,ETC.,. WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF COMMITTING SOME TRANSGRESSION OF SOME KIND TO SOMEONE. ITS WORSE WITH A MENTAL HANDICAP. KIRA WAS NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND WHEN THE MANURE HIT THE OSCILLATOR. SHE HAD AN *EPISODE* AND THATS THAT. EVEN TAKING MEDS DOESN’T GUARANTEE THE BI-POLAR SUFFERRER WON’T HAVE AN EPISODE. THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS THAT CAN TRIGGER A MANIC EPISODE. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE AOL NEWS, GO TO THE MEDICAL SECTION AND LOOK UP BI-POLAR. ONLY BY RESEARCHING THE ILLNESS CAN ONE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIRA GOES THROUGH.

    HAVE I GOTTEN THROUGH TO ANYONE? ALL OF YOU SHOULD HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME. IF ANY OF YOU ARE CHURCH GOERS AND STILL RAG ON KIRA, DOUBLE SHAME. IF GOD CAN FORGIVE THE MOST VILE OF PEOPLE, WHY CAN’T WE FORGIVE ONE PERSON WHO WORKS UNDER A HANDICAP? ISN’T THERE ENOUGH HATE IN THIS WORLD?

  101. (Jān)
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 19:03:22

    Janet, you emphasize the word “you” so often it seems to be important to you. However, you are addressing your YOU’s to a wide array of people, which much like head hopping makes following what you’re saying rather difficult. I will simply address one question which stood out, even though it appears to be directed at the site owner and not me, because you quote me but then address her.

    “Everytime a prospective member looks up Kira's name, it is YOUR site that pops up with it's inflammatory comments. So how would you feel if the same was being done to YOU?”

    It is not being done to me, because I have not acted like Kira has. It’s that simple. Had I behaved as Kira had done, I would expect people to be mad. Kira is running a business and when she doesn’t give her customers and employees and partners what they’re expecting she should expect them to be mad. It’s a publishing business, not a group hug.

    @Barbara…. Ah what’s the point? I don’t type in (or read in) all caps and evidently that’s the only thing that gets through to you.

  102. louisev
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 19:16:47

    Wow. I did some googling to find out what happened with Kira after wandering away from her former forum in late 2005 about the time she printed Taming Riki Part I and starting up her Yaoi House endeavours. My impression of her has always been that she seemed to burn the candle at both ends, had multiple stories going on at one time and I wondered if she ever really slept, while also going to school. I think she has just bitten off a lot more than she could chew, and the results seem to bear this out. Speaking as an author who didnt get a lot of attention for my fiction until I wrote a fan fiction, that attention can be intoxicating – and addictive. Getting money for it (which I can’t say has happened to me in more than dribs and drabs) is probably a whole lot more of a hit, and can really distort one’s sense of self-importance.

    My own experience (in the pre Yaoi House days) was that I paid my money, and I got a print book. I didn’t pay for website access, and that is in part because my interest in the follow-on original tales had begun to wane and I was focusing more on my own writing by then and wasn’t spending much time reading anything.

    As far as the Dear Author page devoted to issues around Yaoi House, I think that any discussion of experiences authors have had with publishers (and Kira/Yaoi House is a publishing company) are perfectly legitimate to have and give a fair warning to authors who seek to publish, as well as customers who may be interested in buying or subscribing to their products.

    I think the most unflattering things on this site are the posts made by Kira herself as well as copies of correspondence – so I don’t think anybody but Kira is responsible for any threats to her reputation here.

  103. Anomious
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 19:22:20

    Kira asked her fans on the Yahoo forum site if they wanted an explanation of what has been going on or if she and they should just “go forward” and put all the nastiness behind them all. I believe that everyone said to drop any more references to the unforunate and unpleasant episode and just get on with life on Kira’s site. That being the request of her current fans, Kira continues to beat her breast and BooHoo about the meanies every other day and to NOT go forward as witnessed by her posting the link to this site as a one that is “mean” to her. There is really more to this site than the Kira mess, just explor other subjects to see it was not created to bash her. Her behavior is so unprofessional and that is what will keep me from wasting any of my money on the site no matter how good the stories.

    “There are none so blind as those who will not see”

    And Kiras rabid, butt kissing supporters will not see that there is still something very wrong with her, she is really not rational. The attempt to keep abreast of what is going on with her and on Kiras site is very difficult since everything changes every other day, but even with that, this site is doing a good job via emails from interested Posters appraising potential subscribers very well of the risk of throwing money down the dark well that is Kira, her phychcsis and her site.

    Dear Author is going a great job reporting what is the crazy goings on of KIras site as it is clear and concise in its attempt to keep on top of this issue. But as I said, it is almost impossible to keep on top of it because Kira is changing things every other day, still censoring people and restricing her Yahoo forum until further notice which to me is a sign of her continuing, sad instability.

    Explaining what is going on with the site is NOT bashing Kira. It is only reporting the inconsistacies that continue to plague the site and ALL of those instabilities are created by Kira herself. She has bullied her forum posters into silence for fear of getting on her black list and being banned. She states someting one day and the next changes her mind and this is a constant insability of her postings I am afaid to post anything that she might constued as criticism for fear of being booted. This site provides a needed well of unbised information on what is happening on Kira’site.

    I find it strange that the Yahoo site kirafic2 is now down until further notice. I am following the whole thing and it is apparent that all is still not well with Kira. I am not surprised that after saying she will only participate as an author she is now president again. OMG! the trainwreck is on its way again, I will watch silently.

    Some unwanted advice for Kira…

    You need to get at least one foot into reality and keep it there. STOP stirring the pot and just get on with becoming a professional. Keep your irrational rants to a minimum. You need to present a more professional face to the Internet to be considerd a serious publisher.

    So far, since you came back from being Kira Morningstar, that has not happened. YOu are totally off the wall and so not “Getting on with the business at hand.” If you are truly well(and by the way there is no way that she can “promise” it will NEVER happen again. She already said that it has happened before and will probably (make that “most likely”) happen again.) you need to get over it and STOP the “poor little me, everyon hates me shit” after all You did start all of the BS and it is up to you to show that you are really in your right mind. This is not evident yetin your postings.

    To Kiras mindless (lemming-like) followers…

    For Gods sake! there is a difference between encouragement and kissing butt mindlessly (it is so disgusting to read the constant boot licking, slobbering, mindless praise) and, stop with the “you are perfect” crap(it is quite obvious that she is NOT perfect, she doesn’t need you feeding her delusions) AND open your eyes to the inconsisties of her present mind set.

    All it needs for Kira to crash again is for her to stop her meds and run her body down by late hours, stress herself wiht the running of a company she is not equiped to handle, stress her self with the rages against those who do not find her perfect or a rational princess, of trying to keep up with an update schedule she can not accomplish without stress so she resorts to being sick again with what ever is the current illness, (and she should put some of her stories on the back burner and just concentrate on a few to actually get some finished rather than start ANOTHER mediocre story) and if she does not get good nutrition, then TaDa you have crazy Kira again.

    It is like witnessing a coming train wreck that you want to stop watching, it is just too facinating to look away from. AND there is no Haril or Tyler to save her butt the next time or to seave the site you all love, so one day you will be crying that it is gone again when it all crashes.

    I am NOT wishing that it will happen but only predicting that, sadly it probably will if she bites off more than she chew again and it already looks like she is doing that by getting back into the business of running the business rather than just being the author who produces some wonderful stories. Teh quility of her stoies is going down I think because she is spreading her self too thin with too many stories going at one time. If shehad an idea for a story she should write it down in a notebook and get back to it later when she has at least one story completed and then add the new one to the que.

  104. Ann Somerville
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 19:23:36

    HAVE I GOTTEN THROUGH TO ANYONE?

    Honestly? Nope.

    As for people having mental health issues, you’ll find a good many people do – including myself. But unlike Kira, I haven’t cheated authors, set up a business and run it like a playground, and I haven’t sent minions hither and thither to scream incoherent abuse at people.

    Kira has unhappy customers, unhappy former authors, unhappy former business partners. She can’t wish those away, and just accusing everyone of being sick, malicious, and needing therapy only alienates people more.

    Frankly, the rush of supporters in the last day or so makes her look worse and crazier than she already appears. No, you’re not convincing us, you’re not helping, and your lack of sympathy for the people Kira has embroiled in this mess makes me less than sympathetic to any problems she has.

  105. Suzanne
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 19:42:15

    There are those of us who have had more than enough of the “Kira experience” and there will always be those new and innocent faces that appear. They have no idea what they are in for!

    Kira has promised many things and has failed to pull through with the majority of them. Updates were almost non-existent, books that had yet to be published had very expensive covers done in advance. Hmm…and she would comment on how there was no money and the company was scrapping by, while at the same time purchases a 500$ doll with OUR funds.

    Kira is a person with issues and has proven time and time again that she is unreliable in dealing with herself and her fanbase. A business woman conducts herself accordingly. I have yet to see anything remotely like this coming from her. Peni confetti indeed.

    Kira can write, when she is mind to, and several of her stories are fun to read. Exceptional? That is not for me to judge. But does one truly want to pay money every month to someone who fails to keep up her end of the contract?

    One thing all the newbies need to ask themselves is (1) will Kira cut me out if/when I say something critical of her and (2) how do I know she will remain coherent? Will she repeat one of her many tangents or talk to imaginary people again?

    I have heard rumors of suing, of slander and of libel – but you know what? I haven’t read a post here yet, by those involved, that has not spoken the truth about Kira and her behavior.

  106. Screwed Author
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 20:04:20

    Now that we know Kira’s actually reading this let me drop a bit of knowledge on some of the people who have been isolated and are only getting the total bullsh*t Kira’s been feeding them . . .

    Kira,

    STOP TELLING PEOPLE WE STOLE YOUR STORIES SO PEOPLE WILL FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!

    Us authors who picked up the pieces after you left did NOT steal your stories. YOU had stupidly accepted money for stories you had not finished so when you took off you passed the stories on to us. You have even stated in posts that YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US YOUR NOTES. So where do you get off telling your fans that “boo-hoo” we stole your stories? This, more then anything else you’ve done to us, pisses me off. Out of the goodness of our hearts to help the company YOU started and then ABANDONED we were willing to take the time away from our own stories to finish YOURS. As soon as you came back and asked for them we returned the stories to you.

    HOW IS THIS STEALING YOUR STORIES?

    Way to take kindness from people trying to help out those your screwed and then try to twist it into some vile.

    We appreciate it.

    Really.

  107. Anomious
    Jun 03, 2008 @ 21:24:43

    PS to Kirs’s defenders from all us old meanies,

    Please try using paragraphs to divide up the text for long posts and maybe put a space between the paragraphs to make it less tedious to read. And all caps is just plain IMPOLITE YELLING Barbara. Take a deep breath and calm down.

    It is Kira who keeps on stirring the pot and even though she is Bipolar if she runs a business she can not fall back on that as an excuse for failing her customers, her contracted authors, etc. She has known for years that she is Bipolar, she should have made arrangements to take care of her business if she went off the deep end. And if her daughter or grand children inherit the curse of being bipolar or not is just not relevant.

    She herself confessed that she has gone off the deep end before and admitted that she will probably do it again through no fault of her own BUT as a business owner she OWED her customers and associates and stockholders the stability of having plans in place to save her business if she did have a serious attack again and she didn’t have any plans. NOt very acute business plans.

    It was “everyman for himself and “too bad about my customers, my responsibilities, my duty to make sure that things can go on without me.” Of course because it was all so “sinful in the eyes of God”. So unprofessional and unrealistic, so selfish and unbusiness like inlight of the fact that she has a history of such attacks.

    How short is the graditude of some of the members of KIras site and Kira herself when Harial and Tyler stepped forward and put in a tremendous amount of work to save everything when it looked as if Kira was going to just delete everything or close down the site which her ravings seemed to indicate. Which of us knew that Kira would regain her sanity so soon or ever again?

    And I am not very sure of that recovery because of the way she is acting now and how she will not let it go and get on with her professional life rather than rant everyday and still wallow in selfpity and accusatiosns of being betrayed)Geez, I was happy when Harial and Tyler stepped up to continue the site I loved and after all that work THEY were the ones betrayed and vilified as being “sharks swarming over the body of Kiras supposed dead “baby”.

    How ungrateful she was that there was still a site to go back to when her new Morningstar site and its “Angels”fell on its face. How does she thank them? She comes roaring in like a pitbull, slappes them with charges of stealing her stories and her site and drives them out without even the well deserved Thank You they so truly deserve.

    Kira should not be running the TR site because she does not seem to have any business sense that can be detected so far. It is apparent in the unprofessional way she is acting now to continue the whining and bitchingis is just not Professional at all.

    To maybe use company funds to buy a dolfie and a dog is just not right. That is the impression I got from her posts since she was always crying poor about not having any money to pay her bills or for food etc then suddenly she is the proud owner of a $500.00 dolfie one day and later an exotic dog costing $$$??(Dont know how much it cost plus shipping charges I’m sure)from the Internet! Of all the stupid things to do. Anyway if Kira wants everybody to just leave hr alone then she should just SHUT UP and try to start acting in a professional manner.

    Hold her head high, thanks the people she owes thanks to and apologise once and for all to all those she has insulted, attacked and vilified, accused of trying to steal her baby and apologixze to her scustomers for failing them and for antagonizing them and insulting them and PROVE us naysayers wrong. Still waiting for a sane, professional acting leader of the Taming Riki site. I hope to see one but I’m afraid that there is too much vitrol in the present owner in her present incarnation.

    If this is the sane, competent Kira then God help the TR site because if she is not still under the effects of being bipolar I dont much like the normal, rational Kira, she is not very nice unles yuu kiss up to her and brown nose to keep her happy.

  108. Nadja
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 04:27:18

    One thing you Kira supporters seem to be missing is that this isn’t about popularity, or about a hobby. This is business, and once money is involved, the rules no longer are the same as for free writers.

    Kira entered into contracts with readers and with writers, and she was unable to uphold her side of the deal. None of the readers and writers, who are her contract partners, are required to care why she cannot deliver on her duties. Nobody will blame a free writer for failing to update a story due to health reasons. But when you take money from your readers, you have the obligation to deliver. You’ve entered a contract saying that you will do so. If you fail, then you have to take responsibility for the fallout. And part of the fall-out will be annoyed customers. Insulting said customers isn’t exactly productive.

    I run a business myself. If I were to tell my business partners one day “sorry, couldn’t do your order, I was ill”, then they’ll wish me better on the phone and at the same time sue me for damages. For that reason, I have contingency plans in place. Kira didn’t, and her customers are rightfully annoyed.

    The same goes for the writers. Kira promised them something, and didn’t deliver when she a) vanished into religious frenzy and b) came back and left everybody in constant confusion. Her writers were willing to honour the contracts. Then they were told the contracts were cancelled. Why should they wait around for Kira to change her mind once again? These writers want to sell their product. They aren’t a charity group to provide Kira with publishable material. Either Kira acts like a proper businesswoman, which she doesn’t, or she’ll have to watch readers and writers look for more reliable alternatives.

    Once again, dear Kira supporters. You think along the lines of free writing, where interpersonal relationships matter a lot more. But Kira’s writing isn’t free, and as soon as money is involved, personal considerations go out the window. The only duty of readers is to pay, they don’t have to commiserate when Kira cannot deliver. The only duty of writers is to deliver stories. They do not have to stay with a publisher who tells them their contracts are over.

  109. Nadja
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 06:57:23

    PS: for what it’s worth – verbal agreements are binding in a business context. Same goes for emails – putting it into writing, with proper signatures, facilitates potential future legal arguments, but it’s not necessary. Kira offered the release to the authors on her mailing list. Any writers who informed her that they agreed on the contract cancellation are no longer under any obligations to her.

    Again, difference between business and private matters. Someone please tell Kira that she can’t run a business and pretend it’s all done among friends.

  110. Teddy
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 08:11:47

    I knew it. Kira gave the link to this page in her group to look for support from her followers…and there you go, the discussion starts again.
    I don’t know whether this is more sad or pathetic.
    You came here telling people to get a life, well let me tell you “get a mind on your own!”

    Everybody here and everywhere else has been presented with the same facts (here just more freely than in other “moderated” places).
    You have Kira’s explanation and the other authors’s and people involved’s explanation.
    You just have to choose who believe to.

    Don’t misuse the word “moderation” like it’s been done everywhere Kira had some power to do it. Moderation doesn’t mean not allowing people to speak!
    And for what I saw the most rude comments came from Kira or her supporters, here like in other places.

    I read directly in Kira’s posts when Kira left all the mess to other people to work with, I read the stress people went through to keep her company going, I read her spiteful comments on how other people worked on it, I read her thank profusely Harial and the others, one day, and accusing them of stealing, cheating her and using her, the day after, and I read now all this new comments of her that contractict what she herself said few days ago, and picture her like this sad victim from a Greek tragedy .

    So, I may have no reason to believe what other people say about their dealings with Kira, but I certainly have reasons to take what she says now with caution.
    This is what I think after MY reasoning on it, if you think different, well.. good for you, it’s your right and I frankly don’t care.

    I won’t advise anyone to stay clear from Kira’s business, because in the end so far you always got what you asked for from her, sometimes late, but you got it, and the fiction is good.
    But at the same time I will advice everybody who asks me so, to be careful and not to put their heart into it, because THEY would do it but they’d not be corresponded.
    As long as they agree with her and shower her with compliments everything will go well, but in situations like this they’ll have to choose again whether to have thoughts on their own, even though they disagree with her and be banned and insulted for that, OR to blindly follow her.
    And I won’t tell them this because I enjoy being mean, but just because, having experienced it myself, and having seen it happen other times in the past, I don’t want other people getting hurt again.

    P.S. Oh, and for those of you that still uses the “illness excuse”, I don’t give a damn about what she did then, she was ill and that explains it.
    But what’s her excuse for all this nastyness, now?
    “She didn’t mean that, she was just angry” well, she’s not 6 years old and she’s running a company, for God sake!
    (and why it’s just her who’s allowed to be angry?)

  111. Shemyaza
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 12:28:39

    I see so many people saying that they have put this issue behind them, forgiven Kira, are moving on, and that Kira should stop “stirring the pot”. However it seems to me that by making this site, which seems to be solely for Kira bashing, the individual(s) who made it are the ones stirring the pot. It’s pretty hypocritical to accuse someone of doing something, when you are obviously doing it yourself. It seems that the only people who know the full truth are Kira and whoever she was in direct contact with. And since it seems that nether side is willing to tell the complete truth, there truly is no way to know who is right or wrong.

    Apparently there have been legal threats made from both sides, but as far as I know, no legal action has taken place. I understand that the entire situation was/is a nightmare. And I’m not trying to say, “Oh! poor Kira!”. I feel just as bad for the publishers and her readers that everything got so out of hand. If I where in their shoes, I would be just as upset and probably would cancel my contract as well! Without a doubt, feelings have been hurt, trust has been broken, and frustrations have reached their pinnacle…has anyone done anything illegal… I’m not sure. Until a lawsuit is made and someone wins or looses I won’t be convinced (I hope it NEVER comes to that!).

    But if this site is truly about the business practices of Kira, and not simply to bash her, as some here have claimed, then this argument would be over. It seems that both sides agree that the business matter have been handled. If that’s the case then why the need for a site that is telling people to stay away from Kira, not to give her money, etc…? Yeah, everyone has the right to state their opinion, but if the matter is really over and done with then this site would be too. The fact that it is still here shows that the maker(s) of it are still upset (understandably) and are blowing off steam. Ironically, when Kira did the same thing she was called a liar, evil, untrustworthy, and unstable. Isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black?

  112. Rainy
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 13:34:58

    Yup she gave the link out over the mailing list and everyone is crying “oh what a bunch of meanies. Poor Kira”. Well, at least the replies that are being seen anyways. After Kira’s last episode, I would agree in saying that people are afraid of speaking their own opinion if it differs from the “I love Kira, I will support and follow her no matter what” matra, as anything else means you’re a Kira-hater. For those not on the mailing list, this place has been labeled as “The Mother of All Kira-Bashing Sites” *rolls eyes*

    I once voiced my opinion on her (vanished) journal, and I was pretty much told that I wasn’t a real fan/friend because I wasn’t totally supporting her (I even said that being bi-polar shouldn’t be an excuse for her actions). Hm yeah. Because people BLINDLY follow each other. I *cautiously* support her, knowing full well that she could have another episode. What I want to know is why it took a full blown episode like that for Kira to realize that maybe she needs someone to step in case she has an episode? As a businesswoman, you would think that she would have already had that in place as she knew the effects of having bipolarism. I think that she putting that in after the fact was a poor decision on her part.

    Teddy>> I agree with you. She’s the only one who has a *good* reason to be angry. This is what she said afterwards about her episode about people’s reactions to it: My readers, for the most part, rejected my decision and launched derisive verbal assaults against me for leaving my stories unfinished. I learned then that I possess only a handful of true friends and supporters. The popularity I had enjoyed was vacuous and evaporated as soon as I announced my intent to change my life's direction. Very few readers cared about my decision nor did they believe or understand the depths of my conviction. … But I was surprised at how some people reacted to my decision, as though I had murdered their children or something. Not many people respected my decision or the depths of my conviction. Is it just me or does she just NOT get it there why people were angry with her? Murdered children? What a bloody drama queen.

    I’m also tired of hearing how terrible Harial and everyone was for taking her business away from her. I may not have much business experience/knowledge, but to me, what they did was a good business decision on their part. At the time, all we knew was that Kira was leaving YH and everything was going down the drain. Instead of letting the company die out, they stepped in and took the helm. That was a good move on their part. What wasn’t a good move was Kira’s sudden 5 year old moment: “I know I said that I didn’t want this any more but I changed my mind I’m taking it back”. She should have privately talked to them, discussed what happened, make a plan, and make the change legal after the fact. They could have made a plan to let them run it for X amount of time before handing it back over to Kira. That would have made it a smooth, transition and it would have been good for the business. But no. Kira wanted her business back and stopped thinking about what was good for the business and thought about her needs/wants. Her two sudden changes, from I don’t want YH to I want YH, seemed to be done primarily publicly and that only seems to have hurt the company. From where I stand, there is a difference between what’s legal and what’s good for the company and what Harial may not have been legal but it was done for the good of the company and people are forgetting that.

    Personally, I don’t see this as bashing. Most of the comments here present valid facts and opinions, which aren’t being allowed to be voiced on ANYTHING Kira has control over. She seems to have a pretty black/white approach: either you’re my fan who gives me their unwavering support, or you’re a spy. You have a very limited realm in which you can question her. This page does little damage to her company. Its been own her actions and decisions that has been damaging it. And by attacking anyone who don’t blindly follow her, it only hurts her company more.

    I’ll probably get attacked by Kira and her mods for voicing my opinions that aren’t “you guys suck. You’re idiots. Kira will punish you for your hateful messages”, but I want to voice MY opinion somewhere that Kira doesn’t have control. I may be a supporter but I’m not doing it blindly and I’m certainly not happy with how things have been going lately.

  113. Nadja
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 14:01:46

    @Rainy: That’s exactly it. She doesn’t get that this is about business, not about popularity. Her readers aren’t required to like and support her, they’re required to pay her. They have the right to be annoyed when they’re paying for something they’re no longer getting. But it seems like Kira thinks the readers should be grateful for the chance to give her money for nothing.

    Kira-bashing indeed. Evil us for daring to post information she can’t censor to her little heart’s content.

  114. London
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 14:11:41

    So, I have been watching the goings-ons of Kira and Co since the “found god” debacle started, and I’ve never had much to say on it. But, having found something that Ms Kira herself said, I feel the need to pipe up, however meekly.

    One of the biggest bones of discontent around seems to be that Ms Kira does not write “fan fiction”. That she writes allllll original fiction, one of them just happens to have characters and ideas and settings and lots of other stuff from someone else’s works….

    In doing a google search to see what Ms Kira was up to, I found this post by Ms Kira from her LiveJouranl, to a LiveJournal Community:

    Monday, October 11th, 2004
    New Website: Taming Riki

    […]While my own fanfic, Taming Riki, is the primary reason for the site […]

    There ya have it folks. From Ms Kira’s mouth/fingers to the internet at large, she considers her work, Taming Riki, a fanfic. Maybe she’s changed her opinion over the years to make herself feel less like she gained her popularity on another persons works, but the fact remains. So, one less things for the Kira Troops to worry about fighting over.

    On another note, I just want to say a hearty THANK YOU to all of the lovely people at Dear Author and on this particular thread that have been willing to offer constructive commentary on the situation, rather than rashly bashing/defending Kira blindly.

  115. Alice Montrose
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 14:50:21

    I must say, when I first posted about this issue in my LiveJournal I never expected things to be blown out of proportion like this.

    @ Kira (and, by extension, her fans):
    You have repeatedly said you wanted to move on. Why, then, can’t you let the matter rest?
    You claim we wanted to steal your stories – yet did you not get them back? Asking for them didn’t require the rudeness shown in your email then – I, for one, would have given them back to you and wished you good luck with completing them.
    The fact that this rudeness continued, degenerating in the whole dramatic episode, only made me further want to distance myself from a company you were involved in. It showed lack of professionalism, which is a fatal flaw in a person running a business.
    Legal threats? Are not going to work in this case. I have consulted an attorney, and it seems I have no cause for concern. The contract is severely lacking in some vital points, and it does expire on the date I mentioned; it does not expire when you want it to expire.
    And finally, I am a mature person and I can make up my own decisions; I do not need others to make my mind up for me. Yes, I am collaborating with Harial’s new company. But if you even bothered to look, you would see the story I am posting there is a new one. I was offered an opportunity and decided to take it. I have no idea who got it in your head that there is a conspiracy theory against you. There is no such thing.
    So I ask you one last time, let it go and move on.

    @ Diana:
    I’d really like to talk to you privately, because I believe you are missing some vital information here. If you wish to do so, you know how to contact me.

    @ everyone else:
    There have been some harsher comments made here, and some things I definitely do not agree with. But I respect all of your opinions, and thank you for the support or opposition you have shown.

    @ the Dear Author staff:
    You have handled this matter professionally. I appreciate and am deeply grateful for this.

  116. I Hear the Voices of Reason!
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 19:21:31

    I’d just like to thank the last couple of people for commenting on this crazy situation so eloquently and bringing a breath of sanity to this without sounding accusatory or crass. I also am on her mailing list and am totally disgusted with how Kira is handling herself. Not only can none of us comment without our messages being blocked but we're forced to view the few messages she allows through to make it seem like everyone on that list loves and worships her and she's totally in the right.

    In the very beginning of the new mailing list she had a poll where we got to vote if we wanted to continue the discussion on this. 90% of the people on the list said no, we wanted to move on. Only 4 people on the whole list wanted to continue the discussion. This should have been a clue to her that we desired a bit more professionalism and less gossip.
    But did she listen?

    Of course not.

    Today it continues with a new post from Kira. I thought the part of her post where apologized for posting the whole nonsense to begin with on her mailing list, since we had all voted not to hear more about it, was a nice touch . . . until she had to add “This really shouldn't have been posted to this group especially since there are folks like Alice and Delilah still lurking here in the group (yes I know you're here, do you really think I'm that stupid, you and the other spies?”). No, Kira, it should never have been posted because we have told you time and again we don’t want to hear about it!

    This is later followed by her declaring that anyone who is also a member of SL Publishing will be denied access to her site and that she is moving “the “really good stuff!” to my restricted journal”.

    First of all, we don't want to hear about this anymore Kira! We don't want to hear about it on the mailing list and we don't want to hear about it in your restricted journal. We want you to stop talking about it and get back to writing!

    Second of all, how dare you try to dictate to us what we can and cannot spend our own money? What's next? Those of us subscribed to Juxtapose Fantasy get banned? How about the people who buy from Bishonenworks? Get off your high horse! You might be able to moderate your mailing list but you have no right to try to moderate our lives.

    Finally her declaration that she always knew those old authors were still on her mailing list makes me laugh! Obviously she didn't know they were there in the beginning or else why would she block new members? Are you honestly telling us that you made it harder for people to join your site even though you knew those people were already on your mailing list? That makes no sense!

    It also makes me laugh because I don't believe either one of those authors is even ON her mailing list. I seem to remember Alice mentioning on her blog she had been banned from the mailing list and no longer had access to the posts. I have also spoken to Delilah d concerning the future of her book recently and she seems totally disinterested in what Kira's been up to as long as people aren't losing money for pre-orders for Learning to Serve. I don't think she's on there, or even cares to be on there at all! And with how much she, and all the other authors I suppose, are writing to get SL ready to go I doubt any of them even have time to be bothered with this.

    I love Kira’s stories but it has gotten to the point where I feel guilty reading them (let alone paying for them). I feel like by doing so I am supporting someone who is not very nice and is trying to hurt others, and I don't want to do that. A story should never be overshadowed by personal feelings for the author themselves. Even the best written story will crack under that kind of pressure.

    So, umm, I guess I'm not as eloquent as those that posted before me but once I got started I just wanted to get all that out. In conclusion though I would like to say thank you to Harial and the authors for trying to keep Yaoi House going and good luck with SL! I will definitely be there cheering you on. Thank you to this site for letting us have a place to go to comment on this without fear of being banned and moderated.

    And Kira, please stop trying to bring the others down. A lot of us came to you because of these authors. I loved Delilah d and Becca’s writing and they were the one who brought me, and a bunch of others, to your site and your works through their postings. You owe them and the other authors for helping to spread the word about your stories in the first place. Yes, you had your own fans before any of us came but you got a lot of new fans because of them. I do like your stories but it hurts us and makes us all uncomfortable when you bad mouth authors we have known longer and still love.

  117. Ann Somerville
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 20:16:28

    However it seems to me that by making this site, which seems to be solely for Kira bashing

    Hello, welcome to the wonderful world of blogging. If you would like to actually examine the content of the site at http://dearauthor.com/wordpress, you will see that exactly 0.0001% of the content relates to Ms Takenouchi. Blog? Like an LJ only for grown ups? (so they say, mutter, mutter) Which means *lots* and *lots* of topics and comments. I’ve only been reading for a few months but on your logic, this site is more about Deborah Ann Macgilivray more than Yaoi House. Only it’s not because it’s about *lots* of things.

    But if this site is truly about the business practices of Kira

    It’s not. Move on. You’ve just made a completely pointless comment about something you’ve taken zero time to investigate.

    Kira, I’m sure to her complete disgust, is not the focus of everyone’s attention, nor the centre of the known universe. I suggest to her and to you that you all get over that.

  118. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 04, 2008 @ 20:35:42

    Dear Shemyaza.

    Your comment does not make much relevant sense. It seems rather that you spent no time reading anything here, and just responded based on something someone else told you was here.

    This is a blog based on reviewing fiction, authors and occasionally manga, if you even took a moment to read the header on the page. That this particular entry is about Kira has no relevance to the reason the people who created this site did so. The fact that this is a place where many people who have concerns, valid or not, about Kira and comment on these concerns has no bearing on the purpose of the site.

    There is both factual and embellished information amongst the comments here, but in no way is this a place that people just thoughtlessly bash Kira. Some people were drawn here over concerns about the business aspects, and others were drawn here for other various reasons, there is no claim that this is about just one thing or the other by the author of the original blog post.

    I myself am curious about the practices in the business sense, and I am still interested in buying her works, but as of yet nothing has convinced me that it is a safe thing to do, as I am a cautious person and one single positive account in the light of so many negative is hardly a raving review.

    If this site was indeed solely about the business practices of Kira, it would not be over. I am not in the remotest convinced that the business matters have been handled, and if one side saying that they have been and the other side being unsure points to things being finished, why then they would be finished with me deciding absolutely to never invest in Kira’s works.

  119. Anonymous
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 01:50:33

    I am one of Kira’s members, I paid my money and for the first year everything was good. I got two of the books promised but have not yet received the third and it has been several years now and it is still not edited and ready for the publisher. I know someone who joined earlier than I did and has not received any of her books yet even after emailing Kita. Nice way to do business Kira.

    I have to say that I loved the first book of Taming Riki It was a great story and a beautiful book, not trashie or cheap looking but a book to be proud to have on your bookshelf but I started the second one, (also as beautiful) but for whatever reason it did not grab me and I never finished it. The quailty of the story made me not so anxious for the third one. Kira does write some good man/man love stories but she does not seem to finish very many of the stories she has started (about a dozen or more and growing)

    Honestly, I am not sure that any of the dozen plus stories she was writing when I joined (more than one, less than four years ago. See how paranoid I am) have been finished yet and STILL she introduces even MORE stories. If I am wrong I apologise but if some have been fihished, it has not been very many in my time as a member. All I have to say about that is FOR GOD’S SAKE woman stop spreading yourself so thin, stop being so petty, stop gathering toadies and acting like a high school girl who is the leader of a “We love you no matter what you did or havent done but really need to do” clique, stop being so unprofessional. Please FINISH something.

    I noticed early on that Kira had her circle of special members who got special stories written for them and lots of mutual petting. How very school-girl cliqueish and unprofessional it is on her site. As time went by it seemed to me that a requirement of the site was to kiss Kira’s ass and brown nose as much as possible. That is just not a good business practice, all customers, and in reality that is what we all are, (we did not join the “I love Kira, she is the best thing on earth” fan club though it sure seems like some of us did) BUT we REALLY joined to read the stories on her site and the works of others that are just as good or aometimes better than some of Kiras stories and to get her books. But she seems to have forgotten that. I repeat all customers should be treated equal even if they are different levels of membership. Each level can have its perks but not at a cost to those with not as much money to join at a higher level. That is another bad business practice she indulges in is to gather toadies to pamper her ego. My opinion only from watching what is going on, on her site

    God forbid if you have a conversation on her forum that wasn’t about her and her stories. Most other subjects got cut off pretty quick. As time went by we were priveleged to all her illness’ all the drama in her life and the suddenly strange invention of a non-existant guy who was lover like to her on the site. Then she finally confessed she had made him up and that was very wierd an not professional to let her customers see that. As time went by we were exposed more and more to her instability, views of her life and troubles. Really more than a customer should know about a site where we have invested money. She always cried poor and yet bouth an extpnsive doflie and an expensive puppy that was vicious and had to be put down.

    Toward the end of her periods of sanity, (this last year) she was growing more and more visably unstable. because of that I took all the stories I liked and put them on my hard drive becasue I thought there was a great possiblilty that she was going to go off the deep end at anytime and I was right when she sent her “God is talking to only me and you are all sinners doomed to hell and this stie is offensive to God’s eye” message and went bonkers.

    In a way I was relieved that she was only having a bipolar moment because she was so obviously shaky that I thought she would commit suicide. I am very glad that she did not do that. Now if she would only realize that she can not run her own business with her delicate health. She needs to let someone else handle the reins because the stress of running the business and all the other things she has on her plate is s time bomb to a person in her un-healthstate. She seems to not have any business accumen and does not realize that the money she gets from her business is not for her personal use which is the strong impression I got from her site and her chat. According to her she was very poor but strangely she had the money for that expensive doll and an expensive puppy and all that expensive puppy equipment and vet visits, where did that money come from all of a sudden. If this did not happen then I apoligize again for being so wrong. If she only stays with her writing ald leaves the business aspects of the site alone she will be fine.

    She is a good writer, when she is not spread too thin her stories are very good but when she was writing, starting up Yaoi House,opening a yaoi store where she sold stuff,and trying to get TR III ready for publishing it was obviously too much stress for her and she snapped. I feel sorry for her with her physical problems but really she should have had a business plan for such an eventuality, it is only professinal and businesslike. She treated her site like it was her personal cheering squad. I didnt like that.

    After she shcked all of her members and stockholders with her “I got religion, you are all going to burn” email it was obvious if someone didnt take over everything, the site and all the wonderful stories, the books by half a dozen great writers would be lost. Then Horray! Harial and Tyler jumped in the trenches and saved the whole thing. They worked night and day, tirelessly putting in their time to keep the site going.

    And then Kira seemed to get sane again and first is going to let H & T run the show and only concentrate on writing some of her stories, then almost the next day she is taking over and the ones who stood up to save the site she abandoned are evil and trying to take her company, the one she said only days ago that she was leaving because it was bad and evil and a sin to God. After that things got very ugly and unbusiness like again and it was Kira who did all that.

    NOw she seems to be taking on the same burden that broke her down before and is very paranoid which doees not lend much credience to her really being sane again. I fear for Taming Riki and the site as the next time it all gets to be too much for her there will be NO ONE to take over and then we will all be left high and dry again. Sorry KIra but you need to only write and leave the business end of your baby to somoene who is compititent (SP?)to do that kind of work.

    I am one of her members and I dont like the way the site is become very paranoid and restricted and mean. When my membership is up I guess I will go to another site that is run in a professional, business-like manner. Kiras site is just plain weird and NOT professional and I do not want to trust my money and certainly NOT my credit card information to someone who is obviously STILL Ill. I wish Kira a speedy recovery so that I can at least get something for my miss-epent money. Sigh!

  120. Shemyaza
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 02:25:20

    ok, sorry if my usage of words confused some people. I am not so completely and totally oblivious and dumb that I am unaware that this site is not strictly about Kira. In fact I’ve visited and have commented on it before, I guess I should have used different wording, my mistake.

    And yes, not all of the comments here are bashing Kira, so maybe I went overboard in stating that it was made ‘simply to bash Kira’. But there’s a thin line between giving your opinion of someone and then just trying to bash them. You can nitpick my choice of words, but in the end I still think the same way. As I stated before it seems to me (based on my knowledge of the situation, no matter how limited some may believe it to be) that both sides where wrong.

    I actually no longer have a subscription to Kira’s fiction. After all that went on I decided, like many others here, that I wasn’t too keen on doing business with Kira or with any others involved in this matter. I was frustrated and quite upset with what happened, even after I learned that most of it was because of an illness. But I moved on, and hadn’t really given it too much thought until a friend of mine sent me a link to this page.

    To Ann – as far as me and Kira getting over the fact that she is not the center of the universe, I never thought that. I don’t know what Kira thinks about herself, but if I thought the universe revolved around her, I wouldn’t have canceled my subscription with her. You’d be a more likely candidate for thinking she is, since you and some others seem to spend your time harping about how horrible Kira is. I think that both sides have lied, and that both have horrible business practices. In any effect, I guess the matter really has nothing to do with me, or with half of the people commenting here. I have gotten over the issue, and since I have a life, and my time is precious, I won’t bother coming here again. No point in wasting my breath on individuals who have selective hearing.

    Good day to you all

  121. Teddy
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 03:39:08

    @Shemyaza: You are right. But this site is still needed because it’s the only place in which people will find both sides of the story, even for the ones like me who are still Kira’s customer, because they still believe there is something good to pay for in Kira.
    What you say makes sense, but if you, like me, keep reading her saying what she says in her ML it’s difficult to leave all behind.
    This may seems just a place where people come screaming and kicking just for the sake of it, but if you read all the posts, well, you’ll see it’s not just that.
    Three days ago I was gladly minding my own business, then I see this other mail from Kira pointing people to come here and bashing again her old authors, and playing the poor victim part again…
    It’s difficult to keep silent when you see this happen again and again and again…..
    And you cannot speak of this with her or on her ML. You cannot tell her “please Kira, stop this, it’s unfair” because if you do, at the best, your messages will be blocked and you’ll be out.

    As for the “it’s a business matter”, I don’t know how long you’ve been following this but for those who have been doing it for long, they know that with Kira it never was only business, she created this sort of friend-fans illusion.
    Now many of us realized that she meant that only as long as we don’t have different thoughts from her, and people like me now do try to take this only as a business matter and to separate Kira-the-author from Kira-the-person.
    But she’s making even that difficult with all this new nastyness coming from her!

    @I Hear the Voices of Reason!: >>I love Kira's stories but it has gotten to the point where I feel guilty reading them (let alone paying for them).<>(from her ML) Some of the more recent posts seem completely clueless about what the issues are and I suspect are written by kids, judging by their (lack of) logical argument construction and basic spelling skills.<<
    Clueless? And have I done enough grammar error in this post to make what I’m saying childish and stupid? And just to know, in how many other languages are you able to write into, other than yours?

    I’ve said what I felt it needed to be said, I hope now I can go back to my bat-cave and not making myself heard anymore on this.

  122. Teddy
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 04:16:18

    Doon’t know what happened but my PC crashed while I was posting and it ate part of my message and I wasn’t able to correct it.
    The last part of my message was:

    @I Hear the Voices of Reason!: >>I love Kira's stories but it has gotten to the point where I feel guilty reading them (let alone paying for them<< how true! I feel the same.
    I couldn’t read the updates yet and few weeks ago I would have jumped on it as soon as they were out.
    I keep waiting to be more calm to be able to enjoy them but at this rate it will never happen.

    The last part of my message, from “(from her ML)” was for Kira.
    (it doesn’t allow me to rewrite what I wrote in the right way)

  123. (Jān)
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 08:10:49

    I think that both sides have lied, and that both have horrible business practices.

    Do you have examples that led you to believe this? It seems to me that the authors involved have posted communications between them and Kira that fully support their position.

  124. Nadja
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 08:24:20

    @Shemyaza – the one who’s doing the bashing is Kira. Most of the comments here are rational and based on hard facts. Kira, on the other hand, has gone through several versions of what has happened, depending on what suits her best at the time and the most convenient scapegoat. She’s twisting the facts to suit herself and put the blame on someone else entirely.

    To anyone who only looks at her heavily censored mailing list, what people are saying here seems like bashing. But her mailing list doesn’t give you the truth, or the full scope. It’s appalling to see how she keeps re-interpreting and re-editing the facts to suit her momentary mood. And you won’t hear dissenting voices because no post that isn’t 100% agreement will go through – something I can personally confirm. You don’t agree, you don’t get a voice.

    Take a moment to look at the direct quotes from correspondence you can find all over this page, and then reconsider. The “evil authors stole my stories” situation is just one example where Kira took a well-meant and mutually agreed action and turned it into something else entirely.

  125. Ann Somerville
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 15:20:18

    The thing that’s really puzzling me about the people who’ve turned up here to speak of their intense unhappiness with Kira’s behaviour is – why are you sticking around to be subjected to this abuse? The authors got out, very wisely, but you customers are sitting there, copping all these crazy accusations and censorship, not getting what you’ve paid for…why?

    No author is this good. None. It’s obvious to me that the next stunt Kira is going to throw is to pull all her stuff down so she can bask in the pleas from her readers to put it back up again (because at heart, she’s a fanfiction author behaving in a fanfiction way – expecting to be paid in love and adoration even though money has changed hands.) Don’t enable her. Whether she’s ill now (which seems likely, but I’m not a doctor) or just an unstable personality, doesn’t matter – hanging around her is making the situation, and her behaviour, worse. She needs you more than you need her. Just walk away, and find better writers. When she started Taming Riki, there wasn’t much to choose from. Now there’s masses of original writing, a lot of it completely free.

    Want kink? Try Manna Francis and The Administration – free
    Want epics? Jesse Hajicek a.k.a. Chartreuse and The Godeaters (or even ::cough:: my own long free novels.) Free.
    Want sweet? Jaime Samms has a site with all her stories up for free.

    Masses of stuff either free or quite cheap – and that’s before you explore the wonderful world of fanfiction.

    Kira may have a talent but it’s drowning now under her paranoia and self-pity. Stop being victims of her crap. Get out, get off the mailing lists, off her LiveJournal, and look for less troubled waters. Watching a trainwreck may have its appeal, but in the end, you get nothing out of it but a sore neck and a vague sense of self-disgust. Move on – you’ll respect yourselves better for it.

  126. Nadja
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 15:27:23

    @Ann: Keep in mind that the subscription was monthly, and that the whole mess only actually exploded less than a month ago. After Kira’s discovery of religious ecstasy, I was ready to unsubscribe but then Harial et al took over. Things seemed to move forward. Then Kira came back, and everything went down the drain. I cancelled my subscription then, but my membership still runs for another week because of the monthly thing. So a lot of us are still subscribed, even though we’ve mentally quit.

    I’m with you on not understanding anyone who stays around after this, mind.

  127. Shinashi
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 18:47:39

    I’m still with Kira. From all the comments I read, many still think she is still in an episode. Right now, I don’t think she is, but I do think she is delicate health. However, if any other author went off the deep end, I couldn’t abandon them. Especially not someone I’ve been reading for years. And I think that’s why she’s reacting so badly to some people.

    I know it just might be this, but it’s horrible. Are people just reading stories and not caring at all about the author? It’s business practices isn’t it? If she’s unprofessional, she should be abandoned? That seems to be the raining theme here, and it makes me unhappy. But I know, since most of you don’t care that Kira is in delicate health, that none of you care what I really think.

    I think that’s why I’m not leaving her. I don’t have a subscription to her site, but I will, because well, I love her writing, and the thought of leaving her because of some personal issues (which obviously count if money is involved, but not if it’s an excuse for doing this or that) is completely alien to me. On her ML- WHERE SHE IS RIGHTLY PARANOID BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE POSTING WHAT SHE SAID HERE (I really don’t understand why people are upset with her for being paranoid. That’s actually one of the things that are clear to me.)- Anyway, on her ML she’s really trying to move on (which might explain the silence) and get updates done.

    Now I can understand if people won’t subscribe because lack of updates or whatever. However I can’t understand if they don’t describe because of this religious episode and everything after that- I know people don’t have the patience and don’t have to have the patience to let everything cool down, but now it has.

    Also, I’m deeply hurt because of many of the insults to those who have stayed with her. Basically I’m a mindless loyal drone that worships the ground she walks on. Well, I’m not. I’m just not letting this all affect me so much now that she’s back and is trying to move on.

    I don’t know anything about the other authors because I didn’t go to Yaoi House for the other authors, I went there for Kira. However, if anything ever happened to them, and I was reading them. I wouldn’t leave them either.

    I don’t know if anything I have said has made any sense. And I know I sound terribly naive and it would be nice for anyone to enlighten my view of things. Thanks for reading.

    P.S. I must be honest to say that Kira has been really nice to me by giving me almost..I don’t know how long subscriptions been, but for a long time I’ve had a free subscription, even though I really didn’t deserve it. I honestly can’t leave a person with such health and so much on her hands who has done that for me. Personal, too much? Maybe that’s it.

  128. (Jān)
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 18:58:36

    But Shinaishi, don’t you see that that’s no way to run a business? Of course it’s sad that Kira has problems, and her friends should support her, though how is up to them. But when she makes herself the head of a company and thus professionally responsible for the career of a number of other authors, and professionally responsible for delivering goods for which she has taken money, she needs to deliver or let someone else step into her shoes and deliver for her.

    Right now Kira is running things the way a small doujin circle would work. But a publishing house cannot afford to act that way. And customers aren’t required to care. I mean, seriously, if the head of Ballantine books were to drop dead tomorrow (God forbid) would that be an excuse for the company not to send its orders to distributors around the country? Or would you be mad when you went to Barnes and Noble and the publication date of a book you wanted was pushed back.

    I don’t think you’re a fool or anything negative for feeling the way you do. But I think you have to understand that to most people, Kira is just another writer/publisher selling another product, and they expect her to act that way.

  129. Ann Somerville
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 19:04:18

    Shinasi, your loyalty towards Kira is touching. Of all the people who’ve come over to defend her, you convince me most of your sincerity.

    But I tell you in all honesty that just accepting what Kira’s doing, defending her actions without question, is doing her more harm than good. It’s like giving alcohol to an alcoholic – in the short term, they probably need it to function. In the long term, it’s going to kill them. Feeding her delusions, pumping up her belief in being persecuted and her own infallibility, is not helping at *all*. She needs help, she needs support – but this is the wrong kind. It’s the dangerous kind.

    People need to stop giving her money and propping up her business enterprises while she remains in control for several reasons. One, by her own admission (upthread) she’s manifestly unfit to do so. Two – she’s not able to complete her commitment to her customers by writing if she’s running the business. And three, because of one and two, the customers will lose their money.

    That’s the blunt, unvarnished truth. She’s shown over and over she is financially incompetent, irresponsible, and unable to cope with the stress of commercial enterprise. Convincing her this is not the case, will only dig her deeper into a very nasty hole – and suck her customers into it.

  130. amy
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 19:46:33

    Hey everyone,
    About certain recent posts, I don’t think that Kira is incompetent in running a business right now. She’s getting the updates out and her company is running okay again. If a customer signed up right now and didn’t look at anything but updates, they’d probably get what they subscribed for.

    It’s just that Kira is not being a very nice person, and she is being very public about it. I don’t remember it being this bad before March. Now that I think about it, I honestly think that she has changed a lot since then…her writing style in her journal-like posts have changed a lot. There’s CAPS, there’re blatant accusations…if she made posts like this before, she was at least subtle or ironic. The personality change is disheartening. Maybe her episode was like meningitis; after you get it, sometimes you develop a 180 degree personality change. Ergh.

  131. Sara V.
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 20:05:59

    >>On her ML- WHERE SHE IS RIGHTLY PARANOID BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE POSTING WHAT SHE SAID HERE . . . << and on accusations of spies

    I think Kira has given up the right to have her postings be private at this point. I am not a lawyer or anything but she is running a business now and needs to realize that the mailing list and the journals are not her personal property anymore. They belong to the company and anything she says on them is a public statement by her company. She is also talking about sueing people and doing exactly what she is accusing others of doing, she is trying to ruin another company. Is it any wonder that those people are keeping tabs on her? She accuses people of all these horrible things and lying about her so it makes sense that they are posting her comments. Proof is being offered to prove that what is being said about her is not slander. Kira is offering no proof for her accusations. If anything it is Kira who should be afraid of being sued! Its obvious from the posts and copies of her e-mails that these other people are not lying about what she has said and done to them. Yet Kira calls them liars and accuses them of trying to take advantage of her and stealing. I would be very very worried that the former authors and SL would turn around and sue me for slander if I were her.

  132. Ann Somerville
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 23:07:19

    I don't think that Kira is incompetent in running a business right now.

    Then how do you explain what I’ve read here and elsewhere about her not returning money for unfulfilled orders, not answering emails about orders, and offering goods in exchange for orders which are in no way a replacement or acceptable. Her behaviour to customers, critics and competitors alike indicate she just is not fit to run anything, even her own life.

    Is it any wonder that those people are keeping tabs on her?

    Two of the people she’s accusing of lurking on her lists to ‘spy’ are doing nothing of the sort. However, people *on* the lists are forwarding emails around because of their frustration with this woman. The authors and former business partners just want to leave Kira and this mess behind, but she’s continuing to enmesh them through these paranoid accusations and threats of legal action. If she’d shut up, act like a rational, reasonable human being and keep her hurt feelings to herself, she would find that her present customers would be relieved and her former friends and customers and collaborators would go on happily with their own existence.

    Proof? Look at why this thread started boiling up again – Kira whipped up a mob to come over and spew insults and bile, which prompted more people to step forward with complaints of their own about her. How she thinks that’s a good way to operate, I have no idea. Kerfuffles in the blogosphere happen every week, every day. Provided she keeps her head down, nose clean and the business succeeds, no one will care about all this in the future. Somehow I doubt she’s got the self-control needed for all that, but I sincerely wish it was so because this is hurting friends of mine as well as hers.

  133. Shinashi
    Jun 05, 2008 @ 23:47:40

    I really appreciate what all of you had said.

    Jan, I see how it is no way to run a business. But honestly it works for me, and for some others. Just not for a lot of authors and readers. I’m a really passive and easygoing person and try not to let even the worst experiences mar my opinions, if it turns out all for the good.

    Sara, I understand what you’re saying. All I say is that it’s just a bit much to say she’s paranoid.

    All I’m hoping, and that I think would happen, is that everything will get better. Thank you.

  134. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 06, 2008 @ 00:34:12

    Sorry to break my own promise not to post here, but I saw something that puzzled me. If there are ANY customers here who have unresolved issues or orders with me, I do not know about it. You need to email me at [email protected] or at [email protected]. According to my records everything is taken care of in terms of orders being refunded and books being shipped so if anyone knows something different, this is news to me. I check my email every hour so it is almost impossible that someone has emailed me and I have not answered. Thank you for your attention, and excuse the interruption of your discussion.

    Kira

  135. Teddy
    Jun 06, 2008 @ 03:09:03

    @Shinashi
    I’m still with Kira too, and in the end you can say many things about Kira but not that she hasn’t been honest with money, during her episode and even now, she gave the money back to those who asked and in the end she freed her old authors (even though after trying forcing them to remain). Not that I think that’s enough to make her a very good business woman, because she’s not that reliable.
    What I personally cannot bear with is the nasty comments, the bashing of other people that she does constantly, the lack of freedom to speak with her about it, her continuos requests for understaning but then if you have a problem with her yourself you’re just a bitch….

    @Shinashi: “Also, I'm deeply hurt because of many of the insults to those who have stayed with her. Basically I'm a mindless loyal drone that worships the ground she walks on. Well, I'm not. I'm just not letting this all affect me so much now that she's back and is trying to move on”
    Of course not everyone who stayed behind are like that…but have you read all the comments of some of those on her ML? They give you some doubts about their self respect and ability of thought…. and for them we are just old spinsters too :).
    “Anyway, on her ML she's really trying to move on (which might explain the silence) and get updates done.” Ahem….where did she post the link to this discussion? On her ML. AFTER she and everyone else decided to move on. And since I’ve followed this discussion from before I can assure you there weren’t post anymore before that.
    But I hope now she will really go on.
    I’m willing to, as I have been willing from the beginning, but like I couln’t bear to read people bashing her in the past, I cannot bear her bashing people now.

    @Amy. I agree with you on most of it, but not in “I don't remember it being this bad before March.” I can remember at least two other occasions in the past where she behaved like that. It’s only that in those occasions it was just one or two people involved and insulted by her and all of us stood in her defence so she didn’t need to go on for long or being eccessively bad about it.
    I think what floored her this time is that she did not receive all that much of support and the fact that many people were involved in the discussion, so it was not as easy to make herself believed just as the innocent victim of one or two nasty people.

  136. Nadja
    Jun 06, 2008 @ 03:49:04

    @Shinashi: I’m happy that the way things run at Yaoi House at the moment work for you. But for a lot of people, they don’t. With something like a subscription model and pre-orders, you need to be able to rely on regular updates, regular FINISHED stories, and regular publications at the predicted dates. Right now, Yaoi House/kiratakenouchi.com/whoever the actual business partner is right now (another of those issues) isn’t fulfilling any of those criteria.

  137. louisev
    Jun 06, 2008 @ 21:39:25

    No author is this good. None. It's obvious to me that the next stunt Kira is going to throw is to pull all her stuff down so she can bask in the pleas from her readers to put it back up again

    Very good points, Ann. There is a ton of free fiction, free fanfiction, of any kind, out on the Intertubes, which doesn’t come with its own bonus of drama. I am just now wading into the e-book arena and this week got Kindle from Amazon, and the boom in specialized types of fiction is only just beginning. Kira had some good ideas and good stories, but it would seem that the drama level has gotten so high that it may be a better deal to find another author whose work you can just download and read and enjoy and never mind the built-in spanking that comes with it.

    Unless that’s what you’re looking for of course. :)

  138. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:31:35

    Well, I’m going to post it if you won’t Kira. Why don’t you defend yourself? How can you just sit there??

    Re: conspiracy to trick Kira into signing away her rights to her fiction while she was mentally ill, by pretending to give her Headmaster’s Chambers. Conversation between Octavia Atlas (geistprime) and Tyler, now VP of SL Publishing:

    POT. CRIM. SEC> PULL xfsl89946578367428736772
    Sub.00978221[TYLER]: Doing alright. The latest Kira email has me a bit flustered
    Sub 00857778geistprime: Yes, I’ve been speaking with Harial about it.
    Sub 00857778geistprime: What are your thoughts?
    Sub.00978221[TYLER]: At this point we need to do everything possible to get the contract, even if it means telling some white lies
    Sub 00857778geistprime: Such as?
    Sub.00978221[TYLER]: Well I was thinking maybe getting kira to “think” she may have a chance at HC
    Sub 00857778geistprime: And how will you do that?
    Sub.00978221[TYLER]: I’m leaving it up to Heather. If I’m not mistaken she’s contacting
    Kira with options and leaving some stuff open. But I haven’t talked to
    her since our last call. Just waiting on her call again…

    I say you should post everything you have, screenshots and all. Or put up a page at your site and link everyone there. Why do you just sit here and do nothing? It’s your own fault that no one believes you, because you won’t show them the evidence. So show them!

  139. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:44:09

    Wow, I’m totally convinced. There’s just no way that could be a complete fabrication posted by a crazy person.

    Sorry Kira. It’s obvious we were just all wrong about you. All those things people said, all those emails and testimonies, the posts you made here, there and everywhere, clearly were just a tissue of lies. We should have just gone to Max from the start for the really true truth and stuff.

    Max, honey, if you didn’t bring enough for everyone, then you shouldn’t have brought any at all. Now be nice and let everyone have some of what you’re taking because we could all do with a laugh.

  140. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:47:39

    And is this out-of-context snippet of IM history going to be pro or contra Kira once someone asks about the context? The email this refers to – will that hurt Kira? You might want to ask yourself those questions before you demand complete publicity. Personally, I am convinced that the more quotes and citations come int the open, the more it hurts Kira. So far, quoted emails have been the most damning material in this whole situation.

    Another personal note – what Harial and Tyler did while Kira was gone was for the best of the company, and therefore for the readers. For the CUSTOMERS. I don’t care whether they have to outmaneuver someone so I can keep getting the service I’m paying for. I buy stories, I don’t buy moral correctness. I’m not required to care about what goes on in the background. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I honestly have no interest in what goes on at YH beyond their ability to fill my subscription.

  141. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:53:09

    “Wow, I'm totally convinced. There's just no way that could be a complete fabrication posted by a crazy person.

    Sorry Kira. It's obvious we were just all wrong about you. All those things people said, all those emails and testimonies, the posts you made here, there and everywhere, clearly were just a tissue of lies. We should have just gone to Max from the start for the really true truth and stuff.”

    So you’re saying if you had evidence that this was AUTHENTIC, you would agree that Kira has been shafted? You agree the content is incriminating?

  142. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:55:01

    So you're saying if you had evidence that this was AUTHENTIC, you would agree that Kira has been shafted?

    Nope.

    You agree the content is incriminating?

    Nope.

    Nice try, but I still think you’re a nut.

    PS – I don’t think Kira’s going to thank you for stirring the pot again. It was all dying down nicely until you showed up. Each time a crazy person posts, an angel gets its wings. Or is it God kills a kitten. You know, I can never keep those two straight.

  143. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:58:25

    How is that not incriminating that they were plotting to get her to sign a contract so sign away all her fiction when she was mentally ill, using whatever methods necessary to achieve it?

    And to the one who doesn’t buy moral correctness, you’ve got to be kidding me? This is all just about customers, morality doesn’t matter?

  144. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 05:59:31

    This site creeps me out. You people are…sorta evil.

  145. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:03:58

    “I don't buy moral correctness. I'm not required to care about what goes on in the background. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I honestly have no interest in what goes on at YH beyond their ability to fill my subscription.”

    For the record, yes, that does make you a bad person.

  146. (Jān)
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:04:08

    If the content is authentic I could understand Kira being angry.

    But even then a thought is not a crime. We all say things in personal conversations that have nothing to do with how we act professionally. That snippet gives no context. What matters is how they acted after. Did they actually do this? Nothing I’ve seen indicates that.

  147. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:05:18

    Max, this has been gone over and over and over and over and over. Kira’s actions were witnessed by dozens of people, and though she’s busily rearranging history by deleting mailing lists and denying things she said in public and in email, the weight of evidence is against her.

    I don’t know who you are, and I don’t care. I know which version of events I believe because I saw with my own eyes what Kira did and said at the time of her illness, after she ‘recovered’ and after she pissed all over her business partners. Not to mention what she’s done since this post went up.

    If that IM snippet is authentic (which I simply don’t believe) I have to ask – how did you get it? How can you prove the people you accuse are the participants? And why was this allegedly damaging piece of evidence not produced before now when Kira has been doing everything possible to blacken the names of everyone involved in this crap? Could it be, oh, because it didn’t exist before you threw it together on your computer? The reason it looks like part of a bad RPG is because it’s fake. Simple as that.

    You got nothing. And you’re still a nut.

  148. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:06:05

    “But for a lot of people, they don't. With something like a subscription model and pre-orders, you need to be able to rely on regular updates, regular FINISHED stories, and regular publications at the predicted dates. Right now, Yaoi House/kiratakenouchi.com/whoever the actual business partner is right now (another of those issues) isn't fulfilling any of those criteria.”

    Well, now, this isn’t true. She’s been updating regularly at her new site and she no longer takes preorders. Get the facts straight before you post some lame accusation.

  149. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:06:38

    And to the one who doesn't buy moral correctness, you've got to be kidding me? This is all just about customers, morality doesn't matter?

    In a nutshell, yes.

    I’ve said it before – this isn’t free fiction. This is paid fiction. It’s like subscribing to a magazine. If I subscribe to National Geographic, I want it delivered on time, with the usual context. I don’t care what goes on with the writers in the background as long as the magazine is on my doorstep on time. If the publisher mismanages, I’ll turn my back at them and look for alternatives. I won’t try to find out whether she’s having a hard time right now with private problems.

    For a free amateur writer, it’s a different situation. The implicit contract with the readers there is attention. Comments, chats, all that. Once you turn pro, the readers have to give you money. They will still give you attention in most cases because it is a little bonus to many to have contact to the writer. But they aren’t required to give this attention.

    Kira needs to realize that she has no right to demand attention, only money, as long as she sells her stories. I’m bloody tired of being asked to support her against evil people only because I am interested in her stories.

  150. Max
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:07:41

    “If the content is authentic I could understand Kira being angry.

    But even then a thought is not a crime. We all say things in personal conversations that have nothing to do with how we act professionally. That snippet gives no context. What matters is how they acted after. Did they actually do this? Nothing I've seen indicates that.”

    Kira was bashed for claiming there was a conspiracy. Clearly, there was. It doesn’t matter how far it went, she was justified in thinking SL Publishing and its authors were plotting against her.

  151. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:08:22

    You people are…sorta evil.

    Oh no! An anonymous person on the intarwebs is making personal judgements about me! I must kill myself.

    Max, on what planet is this helping anyone?

  152. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:11:25

    Well, now, this isn't true. She's been updating regularly at her new site and she no longer takes preorders. Get the facts straight before you post some lame accusation.

    1.) Pre-orders: she happily took them for years without delivering on them. Where’s TR 3, and how often has that one been promised and then postponed?

    2.) Regular updates: may I point you at April/May, when there were no updates from her?

    Facts. Anything else you require?

  153. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:15:34

    she was justified in thinking SL Publishing and its authors were plotting against her.

    Kinda missing a vital step there, aren’t you, sport? You can’t go from anonymously posting an unverified piece of drivel with absolutely no context, no proof of authenticity, to claiming ‘justification’ for anything. First you prove it’s real, then the jury decides if it means anything.

    There is and was no conspiracy. It’s a perfectly ordinary tale of someone messing up their lives and dragging other people into the drama, then not being able to deal with them coping better than she did. You know what? I think ‘Max’ is Kira, because the paranoia is exactly what we’ve been seeing all along from her.

    Kira/Max, I mean this sincerely. Go away, put your head down, write. It’s what you’re good at. You are not good at handling this side of things. Find a real manager, fast, and stop stirring shit. It’s not doing you any favours.

  154. (Jān)
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:15:44

    Kira was bashed for claiming there was a conspiracy. Clearly, there was. It doesn't matter how far it went, she was justified in thinking SL Publishing and its authors were plotting against her.

    No, a possible snippet of conversation between one person who came to be in SL Publishing and someone else does not mean the whole organization and/or anyone else in it conspired against her. It simply means that this Tyler is an idiot. To assume conspiracies is irresponsible.

  155. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:19:45

    Jan, ‘allegedly’ an idiot, because if Max had proof that was authentic, ‘he’ would have produced that already. ‘Max’ wants to be careful because while opinion isn’t libel, fabricating evidence like that could very well be. Kira’s quick to toss legal threats around – that goes both ways, she should remember.

  156. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:20:02

    “Kira's actions were witnessed by dozens of people, and though she's busily rearranging history by deleting mailing lists

    Excuse me? What exactly are you accusing her of?

    “If that IM snippet is authentic (which I simply don't believe) I have to ask – how did you get it? How can you prove the people you accuse are the participants? And why was this allegedly damaging piece of evidence not produced before now when Kira has been doing everything possible to blacken the names of everyone involved in this crap? Could it be, oh, because it didn't exist before you threw it together on your computer? The reason it looks like part of a bad RPG is because it's fake. Simple as that.”

    It’s authentic all right. Kira COULD produce the screenshot if she would GET OFF HER ASS AND DO SOMETHING. This is only the tip of the iceberg, folks. HOW it was acquired and ended up in her lap, well now, that’s another question altogether.

    I say she should post the whole story. Unless, of course, someone wants to step forward and ask that she doesn’t? Hmmm? Anyone at all concerned about what she might have? (I’m not talking to YOU Ann, since obviously you only care about your friend and are going to shoot down everything else. Which actually makes you…kindof an awesome friend, from what I’ve seen on this site. Let me know if you have room for me, I could use a puncher like you. No, wait. You think I’m a nut. So I guess that won’t work out.)

  157. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:20:16

    Dear Max,

    Sorry, what you have would not hold up in a court of law, and therefore is not incriminating. There is not really enough information there to incriminate anything. As long as no actual contracts or promises were made, there is nothing illegal indicated in that so called authentic text post.

    I’m not really sure why you would decide we are “sorta” evil. Is it because you weren’t agreed with? Do you doubt your own argument, and that is why we are “sorta” evil and not just flat out evil?

    I’m a little “creeped” out that anyone would think that posting a text conversation by two people I don’t know, out of context (The whole conversation is obviously not there) would suddenly vindicate someone who claims abuse.

    Try watching one of those terrible daytime judge shows and maybe you might learn a thing or two about what is or isn’t evidence. I would suggest straight up learning about law, or even logic, but sadly I have lost much faith in the population of the internet, (and the world as a whole) even those who punctuate and capitalize.

    Sorry if I’m coming off as a little rough in my writing, but I have very little tolerance for people who don’t have the intelligence to properly support their own arguments.

    “Because it is.” and “Because I said so” mean absolutely nothing past grade school, I would hope.

    Morality is subjective. Foisting it off on people as some kind of holy grail only works if people follow the same religion or beliefs as you do. Civil rights, on the other hand, would be a more prudent point to bring up. If, that is, you could successfully prove your point.

    A customer has every right to expect to receive what is promised in a product. If someone promises you overnight delivery on Christmas eve, you expect it to come through. If someone gives you a guarantee on a product, and they bail when it breaks under the terms of their agreement, you’d object, if you have any reasonable expectations of product quality assurance. People pay for brand names because they’re reliable and have years of good service. When someone is starting up a business, you can’t expect being mentally ill to get you more customers, some things should be kept to yourself.

    Good PR is explaining yourself without giving any concrete reasoning that can be used against your reputation. Kira has dug her own ditch and the rest of you bedfellows seem to just be digging it deeper trying to get her out.

  158. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:20:23

    Yes it was ME.

  159. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:21:07

    And I DO have evidence if I could get up the bloody courage to post it!

  160. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:21:36

    And there goes the rest of your credibility in this entire case.

  161. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:22:14

    I refuse to hide any longer but I’m not going to sit back and take all this crap any more.

  162. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:23:57

    You obviously did get up the courage to post something you considered evidence. If you lack courage to post the rest, it is because you lack confidence in it’s impact, it seems to me.

  163. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:27:58

    You’re having to “take this crap” because you stirred it up again and again. If you’d just gone on with YH two weeks ago, nobody would care about this anymore.

  164. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:28:37

    But you all gave me this horrendous epiphany. You don’t fucking care at all that SL Publishing at least PLANNED to trick me into signing away my fiction. All you care about is getting that story. You didn’t care if I wrote it, or if Octavia Atlas wrote it–as if somehow writers are interchangeable.

    Yeah, I fucked up. In the most major way possible. I went out of my mind for all the world to see, in the most public fashion possible. And then when I found out what everyone was doing to try and take my stories away from me…well, isn’t this whole page posted in defense of those writers, because of their contracts with YH? Isn’t that the whole reason you created this site? Bad YH, won’t let the nice authors have their stories back. You’re absolutely right! That WAS bad, because the stories are PRECIOUS to the authors.

    So how can you NOT understand how completely batty it made me (okay additionally batty, let’s say) to have all my investors plotting to take my stories away from me? What, it’s one thing if it’s Alice and her story, but another if it’s Kira and her stories? Kira doesn’t matter? SL Publishing can fuck over Kira all they want?

  165. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:30:05

    “You obviously did get up the courage to post something you considered evidence. If you lack courage to post the rest, it is because you lack confidence in it's impact, it seems to me.”

    I confess what I’m ashamed of is how I acquired it.

  166. Ann Somerville
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:30:21

    ‘Max':

    Well, I'm going to post it if you won't Kira. Why don't you defend yourself? How can you just sit there??

    Kira

    Yes it was ME.

    Zero credibility now, girl. And yes, I do think you’re a nut. I know that’s not a nice thing to say to someone with mental health issues, but you’ve spat on every helping hand you’ve had offered to you. At this point, you’ve exhausted my very shallow well of pity for your condition.

    You sound as if you’re in a manic phase. Get help.

  167. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:31:25

    “I'm not really sure why you would decide we are “sorta” evil. Is it because you weren't agreed with? Do you doubt your own argument, and that is why we are “sorta” evil and not just flat out evil?”

    Okay…that actually made me laugh. But I don’t agree with anything else you said.

  168. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:32:17

    “At this point, you've exhausted my very shallow well of pity for your condition.”

    I never had any pity from anyone. What the hell are you talking about?

  169. Nadja
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:32:50

    So how can you NOT understand how completely batty it made me (okay additionally batty, let's say) to have all my investors plotting to take my stories away from me? What, it's one thing if it's Alice and her story, but another if it's Kira and her stories? Kira doesn't matter? SL Publishing can fuck over Kira all they want?

    Do we need to point at the email you sent them with your agreement that they can continue to write your stories? The email where you even promised to hand over your notes? Doesn’t sound like a hostile takeover to me.

    Evidence cuts both ways. You have IM conversations (allegedly), others have emails.

    For the record – nobody blames you for being ill. What we blame you for are two things: you didn’t take precautions even though you knew this could happen. And secondly, you behaved like an irresponsible teenager for the last month and threw one tantrum after teh other, with no regard for other people.

  170. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:33:43

    “It simply means that this Tyler is an idiot. To assume conspiracies is irresponsible”

    Tyler was one of my investors and IS NOW THE VP OF SL PUBLISHING

  171. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:34:49

    This page…this page…I can’t sleep, I keep refreshing it. I know I should stop coming her but I can’t. I feel like dying

  172. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:35:13

    Please take this page down

  173. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:35:42

    I can’t…

  174. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:36:23

    Fuck. I’ve just proved your whole case by breaking down again.

  175. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:38:44

    Precautions? I didn’t know this would happen

  176. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:40:19

    For the record…I’m not crazy at the moment…I’m just the most broken down a person can be. Yeah, I know. No one cares. You’ve all made that very clear. One cut, two cuts…no one cares

  177. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:42:25

    Dearest Troubled Kira,

    There is only one person responsible for defending a copyright, if there are issues, and that is the creator, which in this case is you.

    Only you and whatever legal aide you employ can defend your rights as an author or artist. You cannot legally expect the community that reads your stuff to protect your copyright for you. If they steal something, you take legal action. If you get screwed over in legal action because of bad contracts, and a bad choice of investors, you cut your losses, and don’t make the same mistakes again. Stop beating a dead horse and trying to get some sort of rainbow jackpot like it’s a pinata that magically fixes all your mistakes.

    How many times do people have to tell you that you are hurting yourself by what you are doing before you believe it? There are people that care about your state of mind, your writing, and your issues that are telling you the exact same thing, and you won’t listen to them either.

    What exactly is it that you are expecting from your actions, and what are we doing, honestly, that is making you freak out so much? The people here are not pirating your work, they are not saying that other writers are better or worse or more or less deserving than you, the only thing that is an issue here, overall, besides a few shadier comments that may indeed lean towards insults, deserved or not, is that you do not have the capabilities to deal with business aspects of writing. These are personal opinions based on previous experiences people have had in dealing or not dealing with you.

    Sure you have seemed to shape up on occasion, from what I have gathered, but it seems to only last briefly before you deteriorate into paranoia and sabotage your own attempts at repairing the damage you caused. I would personally very much like to read your works, with your name on them (if someone else writes them it is no longer your writing, didn’t you know?). But I will not do so unless I have a reasonable belief that you have for a very steady period of time followed through with your business promises and charged a reasonable price for them, or passed them off to someone who would do these things for you, while you focused on the writing.

    With Love,
    An honest adviser.

  178. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:43:07

    Shit. I’ve got to get back to writing now. Thank you for this lovely time together. Thank you for this marvelous tribute page to me. I hope all of you have the joy of such an experience, basking in the adoration of so many loving people, all joined together for one purpose: to make you want to die.

  179. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:46:00

    Well I don’t do the managing any more. That’s Anatra and Esther. All I do is crank out the stories. I only still have the title of President because no one else would take it. But it’s Anatra that runs the shots, and Esther. Speaking of which…FUCK…they are going to KILL me when they see this page!!!! OH FUCK!!!

  180. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:49:38

    Are you just lonely right now?

  181. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:56:30

    “Do we need to point at the email you sent them with your agreement that they can continue to write your stories? The email where you even promised to hand over your notes? Doesn't sound like a hostile takeover to me.”

    I was psychotic when I sent that. And actually, Harial knew that. The first post to the Shareholders Board was that I was schizophrenic. Which I’m not but…well, it’s close. They were…perfectly correct to start writing the stories. It’s just that when I came back to my senses and wanted my stories back, Harial FREAKED OUT. So that made ME freak out. I was worried she wouldn’t give them back! And then I did bad things…because I had to find out the truth. I went places I shouldn’t have. And I uncovered what they were doing…or at least, to be fair, contemplating. And that just sent me into a spiral. I was so angry I couldn’t SEE straight. All I wanted was revenge. Yes, correct. I shouldn’t have been in charge, unmedicated, still half-manic, furious like a woman scorned. I fucked with the authors…for a couple of days. Then I seemed to realize what I was doing and so I released them from the contracts. But the anger would start up again and I’d do something else.

    Then I started reading what they were saying about me (okay yeah places I shouldn’t have accessed). And that just made it worse. I felt so betrayed. These were people I trusted. You…can’t really understand.

    Don’t ever go looking for the truth. You won’t like what you find.

  182. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 06:58:34

    “Are you just lonely right now?”

    Well…I feel alone.

  183. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 07:05:22

    As a small and humble bit of advice from someone who has experienced breakdowns of a kind herself, it is often best not to have them publicly as it only serves to embarrass you later, and leave terrible mars that you cannot erase in people’s opinions of you. No matter how much you trust people around you, or how much your state of panic drives you, keep to yourself till you calm down. Vent in a private letter to yourself if need be.

    If you need to vent to an audience, there are sites online which you can anonymously confess all sorts of stuff without looking terrible while doing it.

    I have said things that I have not thought myself capable of. Luckily I have much self control, and far too much modesty, because it was only in front of one person. I did not end up conveying my point, or doing anything other than make myself look stupid, and I was far more embarrassed than the person I was in front of. Unfortunately it is a moment of such impact that it is unlikely that it will be forgotten any time soon, and that person likely doubts my sanity. (Though that could be a case of me projecting)

    (The following statement is highly generalized and should not be taken as a reliable piece of advice.)
    Remember, you are only crazy if you do the same thing over and over again, and yet expect a different result.

  184. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 07:12:43

    “What exactly is it that you are expecting from your actions, and what are we doing, honestly, that is making you freak out so much?”

    I don’t know what I’m expecting from my actions. As for what is freaking me out so much…to have just account after account of people describing what a terrible person I am, how incompetent I am, what a failure I am, how crazy I am…pointing out all my mistakes and weaknesses. And there was the element that no one believed me, about what they were at least contemplating doing with my stories, getting me to sign my rights away. I was accused of being paranoid and since obviously I DO have mental illness, everyone thinks it’s more likely it’s just be being paranoid. And I felt so guilty, hacking into emails and all that…and why? For what? To find out how much I was despised and how it was all true…the conspired against me. These were not just investors. They were friends. The authors…I cherry-picked them, wanting to publishing them, was so excited about it and then to read their opinions of me and them begging Harial to get them out of the contracts. Well. It was understandable, of course. Becca hurt. She was the one I wanted most. And she DESPISES me. And Vanessa…she was such a support to me. All I can hope is that she told Tyler no, she wasn’t interested.

    None of the authors will ever work with me again. Maybe they will still work with YH but…I’ve tarnished the name. Yeah, I can’t argue with half of the stuff at this site. It’s true, I deserve it, but to have it thrown in my face again and again.

    You say stop stirring it up…I don’t know if I can, as long as this page is here, it’s like some monument to my insanity.

    I beg you to take it down. I will do anything you say. I wanted to sue you…but my lawyer said I was a public figure and the standard of defamation was hire. Because some of the things were defamation…but I know a lot of it is true. I just wanted the page to come down but I couldn’t make it come down.

    Won’t someone help me?

  185. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 07:25:28

    I am incapable of helping you in this matter, due to my lack of responsibility for the site.

    I am not sure what I can do to appease you in a reasonable manner, and I don’t particularly think that it should fairly be the site’s response to take this down. I do though, think it is a step in the right direction to admit that you are having a genuine problem ignoring this site.

    I can only hope that you will, if given no other option, have the personal strength to just walk away, and pay no mind to the man behind the curtain. Your lawyer is unfortunately right, and I am almost (almost, almost) positive that there is nothing you can legally do right now other than politely request it be taken down. It would be better to contact the person in charge of the blog by private e-mail, in that case.

  186. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 07:26:25

    “As a small and humble bit of advice from someone who has experienced breakdowns of a kind herself, it is often best not to have them publicly as it only serves to embarrass you later, and leave terrible mars that you cannot erase in people's opinions of you. No matter how much you trust people around you, or how much your state of panic drives you, keep to yourself till you calm down. Vent in a private letter to yourself if need be.”

    My reputation is already completely ruined. I am despised.

  187. Amber
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 08:18:44

    Kira you are not despised. There are still many people that like your work and many people that have said you are talented. Most people have said you suck at business. So what? I suck at drawing. So I get someone else to draw stuff for me. You need to let Antra and Ester handle the business, screen your emails, and take care of everything but the writing. Vent in your locked journal where those people know you and understand what you are going through.

    Stop reading this page, and write. It's what you do best. You want to get back at everyone then prove them wrong and stay stable. Publish your books and get YH on the right track. That's what everyone really wants. You have your stories back focus on them. They are what is most important to you right? What is done is done. If you let it go and move forward things will get better. But you have to move forward. There are other authors out there and fans old and new, but only if you move forward.

  188. Janine
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 09:56:25

    Kira, I think it would be good for you to speak with your psychiatrist and therapist, if you have one (and if you don’t, it would be good to get one) about Yaoi House and this thread, and all your thoughts, feelings and actions about them. You need to focus on getting well.

  189. Jane
    Jun 08, 2008 @ 10:28:52

    We’ve closed the comments at this point.

  190. Jane
    Jun 10, 2008 @ 14:03:53

    I’ve re-opened the comments due to the author in question spamming the rest of the threads at Dear Author.

  191. Wait . . . hacking e-mails?
    Jun 12, 2008 @ 17:00:51

    >>And I felt so guilty, hacking into emails and all that…and why? For what? To find out how much I was despised <<

    Umm, yeah I’d despise someone who was HACKING INTO MY E-MAIL too! Do her former associates know about this? More importantly do the new authors who have signed up with Yaoi House know about this? The whole contract thing aside I would be totally freaked out working with someone who would hack into my e-mail account just because they thought there was some conspiracy going on that 1) Apparently never panned out (if it even did exist, which is doubtful) and 2) Didn’t hurt her or her company in any way! (and before anyone jumps on me saying this whole page and the fall out hurt the company let me just point out that the current situation is all the result of what Kira was doing, not some plot by her former associates)

    What a creep!

  192. Shinashi
    Jun 12, 2008 @ 17:27:16

    God, this is really starting to suck.

  193. Kira Takenouchi
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 13:47:11

    What a creep!

    Yeah I know. I’m not supposed to be here. Esther and Anatra will probably chain me to the wall and whip me. I can’t really offer any argument. Although I DID find what I was looking for (do you all want to see the screenshot of that conversation, by the way, or is the situation that you actually don’t care)? it doesn’t justify the means. I only got into Harial and Tyler’s accounts–I considered them employees of Yaoi House–but from there I could access all the groups, emails from others, etc. I honestly was so intent upon finding out the truth that I didn’t care about what I was risking. I know I wasn’t thinking straight. I wish I had not done it so that I would still be ignorant of…some things. But this isn’t the sort of thing I would ever normally do. I’ve had the ability to do so for years but never acted on it. It’s just when pushed to my limit I had to know the truth.

    We’ve debated whether or not to post everything that was found…but honestly, even though some of the content would vindicate me, I don’t know that it’s worth smearing SL Publishing. This would all make them look very bad. And the truth is, as someone pointed out, there is a difference between having a thought and acting on it. I was angry that they even contemplated for one second trying to trick me out of my stories. But I must concede that, in the end, they didn’t stand in my way when I took them all back. And really…the thing is…these are good people. They were friends, for the longest time. Things got ugly, but that was because of me. I’m the one who threw everything into a tailspin. Maybe certain people had bad ideas but that doesn’t mean they are bad people. It just means they were tempted, as we all are at times, to do certain things. I see that now. They were angry with me. They had put time into their new plans. They didn’t want me coming back. They considered ways to keep the stories. But in the end, they gave them back to me. So I’m actually rather grateful, and I’m sorry I was so angry for so long.

    The stories the authors were working on (I mean Barbarian’s Slave, Crimson Scythe, etc.) are now up at their new site under different names, but they’ve changed everything, so much so that there’s almost no resemblance to the original story. That’s the great thing about writing…you can take the same concept, give it to 5 different writers and get 5 completely different stories. It doesn’t matter that the stories originated as ghostwriting for my fiction, now they completely belong to the writers and I have no issue with them, at all.

    But I’m grateful that I have my stories back. Was it worth risking prison just to know the truth? Um…well, no. But I really wasn’t thinking straight. Unfortunately I was still half-manic and struggling with terrible OCD. I was compelled to know the truth. These were my investors, the members of my company. I just had to know how it all went down, how they decided to split from me and start their own company, who was involved and who wasn’t. I had to know, in part, because it wasn’t clear to me if I could trust ANY of my YH investors. And, in fact, after I gathered intelligence I ended up starting a whole new company with only one investor from the previous group–Anatra.

    I feel like this is the end of a Scooby-doo episode or something, with me explaining everything. Sheesh.

    It’s true this page…pushed me to the brink. Fortunately events didn’t play out as they might have. Right now I would just like to move on. This isn’t worth dying over. This…is just a silly web page.

  194. (Jān)
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 14:55:15

    You think what you found vindicates you? Thoughts versus actions. You said it. They may have said things, I don’t know, but I do know they returned all your work. You, however, broke into their computer accounts. In my opinion this episode does not vindicate you in the least.

    I notice you don’t mention, much less apologize for spamming countless numbers of Dear Author’s entries this week. I, for one, am tired of your melodrama. Please do move on.

  195. Esther, CCO, Yaoi House
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 15:25:30

    Yaoi House would like to formally apologize to Dear Author and it's readers on behalf of Ms. Kira Takenouchi. We regret any unpleasantness we might have been responsible for, directly or indirectly. We more than understand that by Ms. Takenouchi posting in your Journal once again could easily be seen as a reflection of the state of the company. However, please be assured that Yaoi House itself, as a business entity, is in good hands and fares very well. While I understand your concerns, Yaoi House will endeavor to prevent this from occurring in the future.

    Sincerely,
    Esther
    Chief Communications Officer, Yaoi House.

  196. Nadja
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 15:51:16

    @Esther: took you long enough to realize that as a CCO it’s your duty to step in.

    It’s actually a pretty good reflection of the state of the company. Kira still does and says as she pleases, and the new “management” is still helpless to stop her.

    But at least someone finally had the guts to apologize.

  197. Try Again Princess
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 15:58:28

    *(do you all want to see the screenshot of that conversation, by the way, or is the situation that you actually don't care)?*

    I have been forwarded a copy of the screenshot of the conversation and I wish you WOULD post it so everyone could see it. It proves absolutely NOTHING. In fact it would only make you look worse because it's pretty obvious it's something YOU put together yourself. There are so many contradictions in it people could spend days tearing it apart. Lines of the “chat” obviously don't match up right. For example “(first person) How are you holding up? (next person) hi, (first person) We definitely try.”. . . umm what? Also the date the chat apparently occurred makes no sense because according to the screenshot it happened in APRIL and you did not come out of your rapture until May. Therefore, why would these two people be talking about your “email” BEFORE you would have done anything to try to get your stories back? (as everyone will recall you wanted NOTHING to do with them at that point) and you were still posting in your Kira Morningstar journal AFTER that conversation allegedly took place. I could go on but why?

    *I only got into Harial and Tyler's accounts-I considered them employees of Yaoi House-*

    Were these e-mails YOU as president provided for them (ie they had the yaoihouse.net or whatever your page's name was then ending?) If not then what you hacked into was not employee e-mail accounts. Therefore your claim that they were employees in no way vindicates you.

    *I don't know that it's worth smearing SL Publishing. This would all make them look very bad. *
    Again, I’ve seen the screenshot and no, it doesn’t make them look bad. Especially since at the time the conversation took place SL Publishing hadn’t even EXISTED yet. Therefore stop trying to act like it was a “Rival” company trying to take your stuff. Even if it was real *unconvinced* Then just admit it was the President of your own company trying to save it and the people who had given you their hard earned money from their biggest enemy . . . YOU.

    *I just had to know how it all went down, how they decided to split from me and start their own company, who was involved and who wasn't.*

    That’s funny because it seems like the only person who doesn’t seem to know how it went down is you. Let me break it down for you in case you have somehow misunderstood everything that's been posted. 1) You freaked out and bailed on everyone in March, 2) Good hard working people took over for your sorry ass to save a company so people wouldn’t lose their money, 3) As soon as things were stable YOU came back and cried and ranted in May, 4) The good hardworking people got together and realized that they would NEVER be able to keep the company running properly with you clawing and gnawing at their heels and whining about how you were being wrong (not to mention it was fairly obvious at this point that you were going to interpret events and even established LAWS how you wanted to interpret them). 5) Harial, like a GOOD president, let everyone know she was stepping down so they wouldn't be blindsided like you blindsided them back in March. 6) Harial steps down, and because the authors have half a brain quit to. (Recall you had released them from their contracts so they were free to go wherever they chose, whenever they chose). Trust me, those authors would have left you even if Harial HADN'T started a new company.

    End of story. No conspiracies, no attempts to destroy any other companies. Just a group of people knowing when its time to move on because a certain former President is doing her damndest to sink the ship.

    *Right now I would just like to move on.*

    Then stop doing stupid things like hacking into people's e-mails, leaving vague threats about how you have something that could *gasp* RUIN people and spamming posts that have NOTHING to do with you.

    *This…is just a silly web page.*

    And you are still acting like a little child having a tantrum in the shopping mall because mom won't get you a toy.

  198. Jia
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 16:05:29

    Right now I would just like to move on.

    We wish you would move on too.

    This…is just a silly web page.

    If we’re just a silly web page, then why are you here?

  199. Come on, now...
    Jun 13, 2008 @ 16:53:58

    I only got into Harial and Tyler's accounts-I considered them employees of Yaoi House-but from there I could access all the groups, emails from others, etc. I honestly was so intent upon finding out the truth that I didn't care about what I was risking.

    Kira, all you’re doing here is validating what these people are saying about you.
    Grow. Up.

    And to Esther: Thanks for actually being mature and apologizing, instead of trying to blame everyone else for the company’s problems. I honestly don’t know how you can put up with this childishness.

  200. louisev
    Jun 16, 2008 @ 20:50:26

    good lord. I think this page should get the award for Drama of the Year.

  201. Yukiko Shijima
    Jun 17, 2008 @ 00:30:21

    Not enough plot twists.

  202. louisev
    Jun 17, 2008 @ 18:47:56

    Oh I dunno, there are plenty of twists, the problem is it’s the same twist over and over.

  203. amused
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 11:34:32

    Her company, Yaoi House and pen-name have now been deleted from Wikipedia for being a “non-notable author and publishing company.” Very true.

  204. louisev
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 15:04:12

    *snort*. What is worse than having an unflattering Wikipedia entry? Being deleted from Wiki for not being important enough.

  205. Dramatica
    Jun 18, 2008 @ 20:39:19

    I’m sure the nice people over at Encyclopedia Dramatica http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com would love to do a wiki article to replace the one she lost. She’d fit right in with the article on Snapesnogger and Derek Smart. In fact Derek seems to be Kira’s role model because she appears to be following the Derek Smart PR model to the letter (okay, I’ll admit it she’s not as crude but the whole “detractors” and my fans vs the evil army of REALITY is nearly identical)

  206. anonymoose
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 03:28:39

    OMFG, as one of Kira’s mindless minions (LOL) this whole situation has been a laugh riot.. Honestly I have enjoyed her yummy man porn writings in an amusing sort of way. So when she found Jesus, and she then announced she was no longer writing hot man porn fanfics, I was sad for about 2 seconds and then nicely moved on to other man smut.

    But whilst, trolling for M/M fics on AFF.net lo and behold, I held such a lovely site… a banner for Kira’s Taming Riki series, once again announcing her crazy kingdom, come forth from the darkness.

    And here I thought Laurell K Hamiliton was bat sh*t insane, but that’s right she’s a published author…. who also has an overinflated sense of ego, about her wonderous writing.

    Honestly this has been one hell of a ride, sadly I feel sorry for those that shelled out money. Drama aside, they deserve their money back or those wonderful smutty books. It truly is like watching a train wreck in front of your eyes. You feel sorry for all the death and dismemberment, but you just can’t stop watching.

  207. Not my penname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 15:41:32

    Here's something I don't get. YH and Kira with Taming Riki has never set well with me. At one time I considered subbing to them until I noticed that fanfiction was connected to original fiction. That's a legal battle and debate I don't want connected to my work. Then, I realized they were accepting money for titles that weren't finished. I have too much respect for my readers to take money for something that isn't done.

    With that said, what I don't get is that people have said YH has permission from DMP in regards to Taming Riki. DMP is the distributor NOT the copyright holder. DMP's failure to try to shut down YH or fight YH is not the same as getting permission from the copyright holder. DMP does not have the right to give that kind of permission. DMP may have stated that they were willing to turn a blind eye to Taming Riki, but that's a far cry from getting permission from the copyright holder. DMP's statements or lack of action does not, in any way, shape, or form, offer any kind of legitimacy to Taming Riki, YH, or Kira herself.

    In other words, one does not get permission from Fictionwise to use characters from a story published by Ellora's Cave and written by Joette Author in ANOTHER story. You must go to the copyright holder for that permission.

    …Or am I really confused?

  208. (Jān)
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 17:36:04

    @Not My Penname, I think you’re confused. DMP is a publisher. They translated and published the Ai no Kusabi books in English. They own the rights to all English translations and publications to the novel. They are the ones who will sue people for copyight violation if they wish to. They were the correct people for her to contact, in the US.

    But she also supposedly got the permission of the original writer.

    Those two are the only ones she needed to talk to (in Japan the original writer retains ownership rights).

  209. Not my penname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 19:46:34

    Jan,

    You're correct. DMP is a publisher and a distributor which means they have publishing rights and distribution rights. They do not have the copyright; that stays with the author. Unless DMP has an odd contract, they can't give this kind of permission. My publisher cannot give anyone else permission to use my characters.

    The information I've found is that DMP “acquired the license” for an English release of the novel(s); whereas, Anime International Company has the rights to the OVA. DMP's rights and AIC's rights do not prohibit or allow either one's operations or the operations of any other company. The scope of their rights is very specific. It seems to me that if one wants real permission to do what Kira did, they don't go to one of the companies that has “splinter” rights to the work. They have to go back to the core rights-‘the copyright holder.

    I have not been able to find anything where Kira got permission from the copyright holder. I've been following this for a while (since before YH was up and running) and I kept looking for that. I see plenty of notes about her getting permission from DMP, but not the copyright holder.

    I'm not a lawyer and I've not read any contracts that DMP has. But, something doesn't sit right with me in this situation.

  210. Amber
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 22:44:04

    I think it is pretty much up to the region 1 publisher to defend copyright infringement in their region. Simply since it's their sales that are going to effected. Japanese companies don't care since people that read English are not going to be buying Japanese language books anyway. Dmp gave their permission since people that buy Taming of Riki are even more likely to buy the original novels. It will more than likely increase their sales so they don't have a problem with it.

    Kira has stated a couple of time that she has gotten permission from the Author as well although I believe those posts have long since been deleted. I think she talked about it on her old journal as well more than a year ago. As long as the company that paid for the rights to her novel doesn't mind than she probably doesn't care either. Kira's novels are not going to effect her sales in Japan or the money she has gotten from Dmp. Whether or not it is true that Kira got permission for both is debatable since she has shown no proof but it isn't hard to believe that she has permission. I don't think either party would have a problem with it at least before she went off the deep end.

    Publishing fanfics isn't illegal or immoral as long as you get permission from all the parties concerned. Walk into your local bookstore and browse the sci-fi section. You will see many Star Wars books and very few of them are written by George Lucus. The only difference between them and Kira's books is those authors probably had to pay a fee instead of just writing a nice letter to the author and publishing company involved.

  211. (Jān)
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 22:50:09

    @Not My Penname, when I open my copies of Ai no Kusabi it shows pretty clearly that the copyright is owned by both Rieko Yoshihara and DMP.

    From what I understand, licenses with the Japanese for their works aren’t the same as typical contracts in the US. The mangaka retain original ownership, but sell the rights to all publication to their Japanese house. That house in turn has the right to negotiate all foreign licenses. When a US company purchases a license, they gain rights to all releases in that language for a period of time.

    That’s why in US fandoms when people want permission to broadcast in English or print doujinshi or fanworks in English, they go to the English license holder (if they ask anyone. The act of creating and selling doujinshi in small quantities is an acceptable practice among the Japanese.). That license holder may grant permission for these subworks.

    Far be it from me to defend Kira, but it seems like she did what was required as far as publishing Taming Riki goes.

  212. NotMyPenname
    Jun 28, 2008 @ 23:46:02

    Thanks for the clarification. I’ve been trying to figure this one out for a while. Kind of scary that someone can thwart international copyright law by waiting for some distributor or publisher in some tiny country to get the rights and then get permission from them. If this is the way it works between Japan and the USA then that’s the way it works between the USA and Albania, right?

    Just to be clear, I don’t have a problem with fanfics. I’ve had some of my work fanficced and it thrilled me. (No, they didn’t get permission, but I don’t care. They’re fans. Let them have fun!)

    I also thought Rieko Yoshihara died about four years ago, but I can’t find anything to confirm that. Anyways, thank you for clarifying this!

  213. (Jān)
    Jun 29, 2008 @ 00:13:32

    No. That’s just the way it works with typical contracts between the US and Japanese for manga licenses. All contracts are individual though and may contain different terms. They don’t have to follow this pattern. It’s just that most seem to.

    But that has nothing to do with contracts between houses in the US and houses in other countries. I have no idea what standard practices are for them. I’m sure it varies widely.

    Someone can’t thwart copyright law by this process. If TokyoPop Germany buys the license to a series, then they have the rights to print and control German versions. They have no rights outside of that. And it’s up to them to protect those rights. They’d be foolish not to. So how would that help anyone thwart copyright? Japanese publishers wouldn’t continue to do work with someone who screws them over. Check out the Libre/Biblos/BeBeautiful debacle.

    As far as I know Reiko Yoshihara’s still alive. There are still books being published with her as an author. A new one just came out last month.

  214. Jia
    Jun 29, 2008 @ 05:15:43

    You will see many Star Wars books and very few of them are written by George Lucus. The only difference between them and Kira's books is those authors probably had to pay a fee instead of just writing a nice letter to the author and publishing company involved.

    The authors had to pay a fee? Hardly. Media tie-ins like Star Wars, Star Trek, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc are contracted by the publisher just like any other book. The only difference is that the author typically doesn’t own the copyright of the text.

  215. Amy
    Jul 21, 2008 @ 15:37:47

    Hello Everyone,

    I am not looking to start anything. But I was wondering if any former Yaoi house customers are lurking about here. My friend has yet to receive her 22 dollar refund for ordering a book from them that never got delivered. Kira has said she has no money but from what I can read from these comments, her business is doing well and she is sending people HER books. Any other disgruntled customers here? Is there any legal action that can be taken?

  216. Charisa
    Jul 27, 2008 @ 20:26:08

    I’m just skimming through here, and I can’t tell you all how glad I am to see someone believes what I “started.” The whole copyright infringement thing. I was the one who contacted DMP and got no response. Apparently, Kira got one that said she had full rights and could even sell the original AnK. Just to be clear- I informed DMP of her lack of a written permission from Ms. Yoshihara, and if they really did send her that response- I’m not buying from DMP.

  217. Wikipedia Funnies
    Aug 01, 2008 @ 23:11:14

    Anyone else been following the wikipedia hilarity going on with the “Kira Takenouchi” and “Yaoi House” wiki articles? They got deleted and then “someone” put them back up. When they were again flagged for deletion the now deleted Kxing account had the gall to post “What is your problem? We are fans of Kira Takenouchi and we’re tired of her enemies trying to erase her from existence. She was mentioned in Publisher’s Weekly, that is notable enough. You have no right to be so vindictive. Stop getting so personal about this and take a step back.” Yeah, that’ll definitely get the wiki admins to change their mind.

    Also, the only Publisher’s Weekly article she is even mentioned in is the “Yaoi House Future Clouded” article talking about the craziness she started back in March. Yeah, that’s definitely an article I would want to use to point out my notability!

  218. Funny - Not even
    Aug 05, 2008 @ 10:22:44

    Oh for crying out loud. The Wikipedia thing wasn’t funny in the least. This whole thing was very sad. Why can’t you give it a rest already? The show’s long over and gone.

  219. Ditto Funny - Not even
    Aug 05, 2008 @ 15:10:06

    I agree. The show is over and both groups, SL and Yaoi House have moved on… I hope.

    I hope that the bad blood between the two groups can be at an end and that the nastiness going on can be or has been ended. If it hasn’t, I hope folks will get over it and let it go – this entire episode was business.

    Honestly speaking, the only people being hurt now are those still holding grudges and gunning for revenge. I hope that unlike me they don’t believe in karma because they will get theirs later for all that hate they’re holding on to. May all of those in that position (holding grudges) be released from their issues sometime soon.

    For those like me who don’t hate either side and wish well to both, it seems we’ll still have to keep praying.

    Good luck, everyone.

  220. Funny, no? Revealing, yes!
    Aug 06, 2008 @ 08:58:42

    This is not about revenge, it is about pointing out yet another interesting scenario that proves that Kira (and her flunkies) have learned and changed nothing, despite what Esther and Kira herself have been saying and the relative silence.

    Kira’s two articles were removed because they did meet Wikipedia’s requirements. It was voted on by knowledgeable staff who came to the conclusion that she was a non-notable person and that the yaoi house page was for advertisement purposes. Therefore its removal was not because of any one single person but done after a calm, logical discussion.

    Instead of respecting the decision of the owners and moderators of that webpage, the postings were put right back up, showing her or her flunkies complete disregard for the rules of this other site. When the articles were immediately flagged for deletion again the moderators were harassed by someone who lashed out at them with:

    “What is your problem? We are fans of Kira Takenouchi and we’re tired of her enemies trying to erase her from existence. She was mentioned in Publisher’s Weekly, that is notable enough. You have no right to be so vindictive. Stop getting so personal about this and take a step back.” (taken from the now deleted but still cached Kxing discussion on wikipedia)

    This was posted June 19, after everything was supposed to have been “calmed down”. Apparently Kira and her group are still harboring a grudge against her “enemies”. And, in a show of arrogance that totally astounds me, they also apparently think the staff at Wikipedia even gives a crap about who she is and what happened to her enough to take sides against her. Finally, to even insinuate that the Wikipedia staff are taking the whole thing “personally” is totally asinine. Naturally the Wikipedia staff didn’t take too kindly to this and banned that user and deleted the recreated pages.

    This is ridiculously similar to what was pulled on this very site. Apparently someone had linked this site to her Wiki articles which either caused an editing storm or caused someone to flag the article as defamatory which created the problem to begin with. When the mods took a good look at the article it was removed, which was obviously not what Kira and crew wanted. So they first ignore the site’s own rules and then launched attacks on the owners trying to force them to do what they wanted, just as they did here at Dear Author, proving nothing in that camp has changed.

    I do agree with you, this should be over. Many people consider this over. But as long as these people continue to drag in others who have nothing to do with this nonsense and then declare that they’re working with Kira’s “enemies” against her (even when they couldn’t care less about her) this won’t be over. It will spring up again and again.

    And that “private” journal she’s started on her company’s website so she can again use what should be a legitimate business to spout her nonsense is not going to help any. It’s just going to get her into more trouble and then things will implode again and all these “new” people they claim to have gotten will be out of money and out of luck just like myself and countless others.

    It’s disgusting and people need to realize she has not changed and it is still not safe to trust her with their money. They claim the structure of Yaoi House has changed and yet, in their most recent mailing, talking about new officers at the company one has to wonder why Elizabeth Cameron, the one time President and person in charge is now absent from that list. One also has to ask themselves if Elizabeth was ever real and, if she was, why she is suddenly no longer with the company.

    If Yaoi House wants to prove it has shaped up it needs to 1. Stop attacking random people and looking for their “enemies” 2. Get a set of higher ups that people trust are not under Kira’s sway and as easily disposable as Elizabeth Cameron apparently was and 3. Shape up and be professional. That means someone needs to put their foot down and not allow Kira to use the company property to spout her venomous nonsense. I’m not saying Kira shouldn’t be given a voice or not allowed to have a journal but she should not be allowed to host that journal on the company website. The fact that Esther has allowed that proves she is not as in control as they want people to believe. That journal needs to be on a private website that Yaoi House, and money from Yaoi House, has in no way paid for and has no affiliation with. Kira’s failure to realize that proves that she still does not understand that she should not be using her company as platform for her anger.

    People need to realize that before they again start trusting her with their hard earned money.

  221. These Issues Seem Totally Impossible to understand
    Aug 10, 2008 @ 05:44:22

    I came over this blog by browsing about blogs/sites that might be interested in soem fiction I am writing, and the stuff and intrigues discussed here seem totally confusing. But I am not a member of the “sect”. Had I been, I had perhaps understood more.

  222. Back to These Issues
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 19:21:53

    You’re not alone. This particular thread is more of a “show how crazy, bitter, jealous, envious, spiteful, one can be, thread. It reeks with hate and intolerance. I’m just sorry this is still up for the read, it should have gotten shut down a long time ago, but I guess for some, it is entertaining.

  223. Ann Somerville
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 19:48:12

    it should have gotten shut down a long time ago

    No, honey, that’s Kira’s tactic – shut down mailing lists, password discussion, pretend she wasn’t a raving lunatic and a heinous bitch. Jane and co don’t have anything to hide – or be ashamed of.

    You know what’s keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks. People with alerts to new comments on this thread, like me, are reminded of its existence every time someone posts yet another whiny pro-Kira rant, and that encourages us to read over the entire mess again.

    So do, please keep posting. That will keep Kira’s sorry behaviour front and centre for a loooong time.

    [And if this is Kira posting again under a sockie – jesus fucking christ, woman, grow up!]

  224. Yukiko Shijima
    Aug 11, 2008 @ 20:13:39

    You know what's keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks. People with alerts to new comments on this thread, like me, are reminded of its existence every time someone posts-

    I am just here to agree with this. I’m one those in the above mentioned group.

    It’s not such a huge site on the web that people can’t avoid it, or just not run into it at all, so those commenting here are either directed here, or looking for exactly the kind of content that is available here.

  225. Back to These Issues
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 09:01:10

    You know what's keeping this alive? Idiots like you coming over and dripping bile all over strangers every couple of weeks.

    Huh? What the hell did I do? I’ve posted twice here, saying nothing negative about anyone and now I’m an “Idiot”? What in the world is going on here? I only posted because I got an alert, just like you Ms Somerville. I meant no offense whatsoever, so forgive me for obviously ruffling your feathers.

    I was simply pointing out that, yes, this whole issue is confusing and the person who stated so is not alone in feeling that way. I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it’s not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it’s kept around *shrugs*.

    That is all… and then I get spat at and called an idiot by someone that I totally had a lot of respect for as a writer and a model for other upcoming writers. Forgive me for saying but I’m shocked here.

    Again, if I offended you, forgive me. I honestly had no intentions of doing so… I honestly thought that this site was respectable and legit and comments and interaction from other writers were welcome.

    I shall not be posting here again, for I obviously do not fit mold here, nor do I wish for the attitude to rub off on me, if it were possible.

  226. (Jān)
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 09:05:38

    I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it's not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it's kept around *shrugs*.

    This thread is kept around because we don’t go back and edit history the way Kira does. We keep our entries here, complete, unchanged, and accurate representations of what occurred. Perhaps you’d rather revise how we see the past so that all mistakes are glossed over. I think it better that we look at it honestly so that all may learn from it.

  227. Jia
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 10:24:50

    I also pointed out that something as harsh as this thread is better closed because it's not very encouraging for anyone (it was just my humble opinion), but then I again, it “may just be” entertaining to SOME, so that is why it's kept around

    Actually, we did close the comments to this post. Do you know what happened when we did? The next day, Kira spammed every single other post on the rest of our website. So as a result of that lovely choice on her part, we reopened the comments. If she doesn’t like it, well, she has only herself to blame.

  228. Ann Somerville
    Aug 12, 2008 @ 15:33:34

    I totally had a lot of respect for as a writer and a model for other upcoming writers.

    If you have any admiration for me, which I doubt, you would know that I have a particular contempt for concern trolls.

    This particular thread is more of a “show how crazy, bitter, jealous, envious, spiteful, one can be, thread. It reeks with hate and intolerance.

    And you think *I’m* being harsh? Give over, woman.

    You’re clearly here because Kira is stirring garbage up on her private journal – again. And I would say you sound very like Kira herself. Again.

    I shall not be posting here again, for I obviously do not fit mold here

    No, you have to be able to read to post on DA. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya etc.

  229. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 08:31:38

    um, Hi all.

    I really don’t wan’t to anger any of you with my question, and I haven’t read all of the replays because there are so many of them, but I speake for myself and other readers when I ask you this.

    Is it safe, in your opinion, to order and buy the 2 finished “taming riki” books that are offered for sale in YH?

  230. Nadja
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 08:51:55

    The finished two are (probably) safe, just keep an eye on your credit card bill.

    HOWEVER – don’t hold your breath for volume 3. If that one ever comes out, I’ll be more than surprised. It’s been listed as coming soon for what, two years?

    Personally I wouldn’t bother because the series won’t ever get finished. But if you can live with that, those two books are the only ones I’d consider reasonably safe to buy. Fingers off anything else – you really risk getting burned.

  231. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 09:35:23

    Wow, thanks for the quick answer.

    There seem to be a problem with YH and the payment options, anyway, so I don’t know if I’ll buy the books in the end.

    Thanks a lot!

  232. Nadja
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 09:48:26

    If there’s anything about the payment options that makes you hesitate, then better be careful. This isn’t a reliable publisher – the only reason the TR books are even remotely worth considering is because they’re the only two products which are actually finished. Anything else that is only up for preorder – burn your money, you’ll at least get some warmth out of it that way.

  233. ADV
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 10:02:53

    The preorder option is no longer available (but that’s good to know ’cause It can get pretty cold over here at night ^^)

    Thank you for your concern, I’ll be sure to watch my steps

  234. Shinashi
    Sep 15, 2008 @ 11:34:27

    Oh, I at least think she’ll finish the third, if you’re extremely patient. But I wouldn’t buy the first two if I didn’t think she would finish the third.

    But don’t bank on buying anything for quite a while. >.>

  235. cathy
    Nov 11, 2008 @ 01:43:53

    Im pretty sure that the replies supporting Kira are the same person. This happened when Kira first started posting on FF.net and everything became non NC-17 friendly. I used to have a share when the company first started up, but backed out due to people..having arguments with Kira over non sense. I did not mean to start anything up again (though I did any way) But, She would go off at the drop of a hat. Good luck Kira, in whatever you persue, you need it

  236. COG
    Nov 11, 2008 @ 07:29:01

    Actually, we did close the comments to this post. Do you know what happened when we did? The next day, Kira spammed every single other post on the rest of our website. So as a result of that lovely choice on her part, we reopened the comments. If she doesn't like it, well, she has only herself to blame.

    Wow, and here I thought she was getting better. Something like this is just plain childish. I do wish her luck in the future, but the sad truth is, not everyone in this world is going to like you. Sometimes they don’t like you for no reason, sometimes they have a pretty good reason to despise you. The simple truth is no one here owes you anything Kira.

    And no, I’m not trying to be mean but it’s true. Not everyone is going to agree and like you, the best thing you can do is move on and improve yourself so you don’t ever let a big mistake like this happen again. God bless

  237. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 16:55:06

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!! THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA’LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!!NO ONE WITH A RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON SOMEONE THEY DON’T LIkE!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN’T GET YOUR BOOKS ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON’T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    That was good!!! thanks stupid bitches that felt good!!

  238. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:12:23

    by Kristal December 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm Reply to this comment

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!!(too many exclamation marks) THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER (bipolar) YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA'LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!! NO ONE WITH A(in their) RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON(about, unless you’re writing on them with a permanent marker) SOMEONE THEY DON'T LIk(K)E!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR BOOKS(,) ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON'T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    That was good!!! t(T)hanks stupid bitches(,) that felt good!!

    This was just for my amusement. Anyhow, complaining about people not having a life, and writing a whole page about someone they don’t like is very silly. I don’t even need to point out why.

    These random flamers really need to pay more attention to context. They would get more respect.

  239. KRISTAL
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:16:17

    TELL ME WHAT YOUR GOING TO DO ABOUT IT BITCH!!!!!!!

  240. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:37:04

    This was just for my amusement. Anyhow, complaining about people not having a life, and writing a whole page about someone they don't like is very silly. I don't even need to point out why.

    These random flamers really need to pay more attention to context. They would get more respect.

    *Laugh* I really have to say you contradict yourself! Not even fucking two minutes after I wrote that you just had to comment and then you had the nerve to say I didn’t have a life, so please bitch stop sucking me off!! Just so you know though, when I said people didn’t have a life because they were just writing nasty things about Kira, who they didn’t like or don’t understand, it included people like you. What? Where you angry because my comment slapped you in the face? Too bad suck it up!! That's all your good for any way, sucking people!

  241. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 17:53:48

    I never claimed you didn’t have a life. Context my friend, context. Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point.

    Anyhow, I doubt you would be complaining if I were “sucking you off.” Making assumptions about people being angry or their mood in general over text will get you in trouble one day.

    My guess is you’re bored. If you were really trying to make a difference, you’d be doing something more worthwhile.

    As for the promptness of my response, I get email notifications and my email beeps at me when I receive an email. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, kiddo.

  242. (Jān)
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:09:47

    @Yukiko at 238, heh. BTW she mis-spelled y’all as well, though surprisingly she got the usage correct. It’s short for you all, a plural, and some people do use it incorrectly to address one person, but at least that was done correctly here. However the proper spelling is of course not YA’LL but Y’ALL.

    But then, she’s only 19 so she still has time to learn how to flame in style. ^_^

  243. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:20:07

    I never claimed you didn't have a life. Context my friend, context. Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point.

    Anyhow, I doubt you would be complaining if I were “sucking you off.” Making assumptions about people being angry or their mood in general over text will get you in trouble one day.

    My guess is you're bored. If you were really trying to make a difference, you'd be doing something more worthwhile.

    As for the promptness of my response, I get email notifications and my email beeps at me when I receive an email. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, kiddo.

    I'm not stupid Yuki-hoe I can read between the lines, so don’t context context me, and for your info I’m an honor student in all forms of literature! The only thing you seem to be advanced in is oral comprehension and you're probably right I'm sure I wouldn’t be complaining if you were sucking me off, your pretty good in all things oral! Please don’t tell me how my mouth will get me in trouble, just make sure you always swallow, alright?

    You know what? I am bored and by the looks of it so are you! *lol* just so you know though I make a difference in everything I care passionately care for like kira and her fictions and I support her in all that she does, and I never asked for the reason behind your quick commenting to my comments just that YOU out of all people had to criticize my opinion. Context, context my friend! Even a cave man could have figured that out, sweetie.

  244. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:20:57

    Yeah, I wasn’t sure about the y’all. I don’t come from an area that uses it very oft. In fact, I’m not really sure how to proofread slang in general.

    Thanks though, that was slightly bothering me. (Not much to lose sleep over, but still)

  245. Jia
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:23:47

    But then, she's only 19 so she still has time to learn how to flame in style.

    I’d settle for proper punctuation and grammar.

  246. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:42:29

    I'm not stupid Yuki-hoe I can read between the lines, so don't context context me, and for your info I'm an honor student in all forms of literature! The only thing you seem to be advanced in is oral comprehension and you're probably right I'm sure I wouldn't be complaining if you were sucking me off, your pretty good in all things oral! Please don't tell me how my mouth will get me in trouble, just make sure you always swallow, alright?

    You know what? I am bored and by the looks of it so are you! *lol* just so you know though I make a difference in everything I care passionately care for like kira and her fictions and I support her in all that she does, and I never asked for the reason behind your quick commenting to my comments just that YOU out of all people had to criticize my opinion. Context, context my friend! Even a cave man could have figured that out, sweetie.

    You may not have asked about the quick response, but you did reference it in your criticisms. Maybe you should keep an eye on what you yourself write, hm?

    An honor student in all forms of literature I would think would have more pride, and better discipline than to resort to petty name calling and crass language. Excuse me if I doubt the veracity of your words.

    Yes I am bored. Actually, I’m just relaxed, bored is such a droll state, and I am not unhappy.

    I find it saddening when one such as you (if you are in fact an honor student) does not understand that you are only contributing to people’s ill opinion of Kira with your poor treatment of others.

    Though one’s friends do not by themselves define a person, they sure as rain make a difference when it comes to how people see you.

    May you be filled with rainbows, moonbeams and peaches and cream.

  247. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 18:46:16

    LOL ok now I know you mother fuckers are bored. And if you all didn’t know bitches y’all or ya’ll it doesn’t matter because it's not a word just a slang all that matters is how it's placed or said. So Jan, Jia and Yuki-hoe you can’t put a spelling check on it!! By the way I’m not 19 stupid, and Jia when you speak your mind, you don’t have to write in proper punctuation and grammar, it's just letting out what you feel. Can you understand that babe?

  248. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:09:41

    You know Yuki-hoe you make me laugh, you have it in your mind that I give a damn what you thing or feel towards me. Sorry but I don’t. And what is this non sense about name calling and crass language! What’s life without rough words to build character? What are you, a flaming mediator? Please. And any who think badly about Kira from what I've written are shallow fucking scums. But you entertain me so continue with your liberal speeches and sweet words filled with peaches and cream.

  249. (Jān)
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:10:02

    By the way I'm not 19 stupid

    That’s not what all your online profiles say. ^__^ And really, you should stick with your singing. I’ve not heard you, but it has to be better than your English.

    y'all or ya'll it doesn't matter because it's not a word just a slang all that matters is how it's placed or said

    A word is a combination of sounds or letters that means something. SDKJ is not a word. Y’all is a word. Since it is one, the way it’s spelled matters, or it’s no longer the correct word. But then, an honors student in lit would know that.

  250. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:30:03

    When I speak my mind, it is punctuated, and capitalized. Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized. Fancy that.

    Anyhow liberal is probably not the worst thing I’ve been called, but I think it is probably rather on the conservative side to be against crass language and name calling. I suppose that is a matter of opinion though.

    I don’t really care if you listen to what I am saying or not, or if you care. One assumes though, when having anything resembling a conversation, that the other person is at least paying attention to what you say. Therefore the things I say are directed at you. Big surprise there, I’m sure. You say something, and I respond to it. What a clever pattern.

    I’m not sure you even have a point to what you’re saying Krystal. If you do, you sure haven’t gotten it across.

    Please what?

    Nonsense is one word.

  251. Shiloh Walker
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 19:59:29

    TELL ME WHAT YOUR GOING TO DO ABOUT IT BITCH!!!!!!!

    Dear God, if this is what honor students are capable of, I fear for the country, the world, the future of medicine, the future of law, the future of science…

    Kristal, I’m really sorry. The honor student line isn’t going to fly.

    Not when you apparently can’t get simple English right.

    Any honor student would type

    TELL ME WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, BITCH!!!!!!!

    My tween knows this. Jeez, my first grader knows this. If you’re going to claim ‘honor student’ to make people feel the fool for insulting you, you have to back it up.

    Otherwise, all you’re going to do is amuse people. And I bet my next royalty check that’s all you’ve done here-amuse people.

    For some reason, I don’t think people here are going to be the least bit insulted by somebody who can’t put a sentence together.

  252. Gennita Low
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:19:55

    Shhh, Shiloh. Your inturrupting mye fun.

    (got to finish leftover popcorn somehow, right?)

  253. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:31:59

    LOL I’m glad that I have such Fans!!

    When I speak my mind, it is punctuated, and capitalized. Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized. Fancy that.

    Anyhow liberal is probably not the worst thing I've been called, but I think it is probably rather on the conservative side to be against crass language and name calling. I suppose that is a matter of opinion though.

    I don't really care if you listen to what I am saying or not, or if you care. One assumes though, when having anything resembling a conversation, that the other person is at least paying attention to what you say. Therefore the things I say are directed at you. Big surprise there, I'm sure. You say something, and I respond to it. What a clever pattern.

    I'm not sure you even have a point to what you're saying Krystal. If you do, you sure haven't gotten it across.

    Please what?

    Nonsense is one word.

    Sweetie my point is already made, see its people like you who need to be perfect at everything even when thinking-“Even when I am thinking it is punctuated and capitalized”(yeah right) -that have a problem with people like Kira, someone who isn’t completely okay.

    Of course I’m paying attention to you Yuki-hoe, it's hard to not pay attention to a buzzing fly in my ear. It's like I swat at you but you always come back for more.

    And please, if you're going to write my name spell it correctly.

    P.S. Is your BULLSHIT one word too?

    Hugs and Kisses to all my haters!! ^__*

  254. cathy
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:38:09

    lol sounds like Kira is back on a rant/rave

  255. Kristal
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:48:03

    Dear Shiloh Walker,
    I don’t need to write correctly for bullshit page like this because, one it's not going to get me good grades and it's not going to get me a job.
    Please tell me what the hell a “tween” is. What are you a teacher? it really doesn’t matter because I’m a certified CCNA and a CCNP and right now I’m working to get my bachelor in pre-med and biology, so please don’t worry about my use of proper English, it got me to where I am right now and I’m proud to say I'm happy with my position and paycheck.

    Thanks Hater!

  256. Jane
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:52:54

    @Kristal: I don’t know who you are or where you came from, but you’ve been abusive long enough. Let me employ a tactic that works well for a friend of mine by the name of Karen Scott: Get the hell off my blog.

  257. Shiloh Walker
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 21:55:52

    Shhh, Shiloh. Your inturrupting mye fun.

    LOL… now we can’t have that, can we?

    All right, Gennita. I’ll behave.

    I’m tired anyway and this looks like it’s going to get boring really, really fast. Honestly, it would be really nice if one of these trolls ended up with a different method of madness, yes?

  258. Alice Montrose
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:16:13

    Goodness, I did not expect to wake up to this waiting for me in my inbox. Seriously, it is amazing the way it came, out of the blue more than half a year since this thread was started. I can only wonder what happened to prompt the sudden deluge.

    @Jane and Jan: I’m really sorry you had to put up with this.

    @Kristal: Please keep in mind that a typo is just that – a typo. What you are doing cannot be called a typo, but it can be called lack of proper spelling. The fact it keeps repeating itself will not help your case any.

    Oh, and a “tween”? It is a young person between 10 and 12 years of age, considered too old to be a child and too young to be a teenager. Just in case you were truly interested, which I doubt, because you could have easily looked it up in a dictionary. The fact you have not… well, it speaks for itself.

  259. Jane
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:20:03

    @Alice Montrose: Tis okay. I banned her and will be deleting any future comments that leak through. Hmm. The last person I banned was related to this thread. What’s the deal!

  260. Alice Montrose
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:25:36

    Thank you. I am not certain what the reason is, but given the previous experience we have had with kira, I only hope the spamming will not go on in other threads. I enjoy reading this blog, even if I lurk here with the best of them.

  261. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 09, 2008 @ 22:26:46

    Ah, sorry about the name thing, it looked right to me, I guess I wasn’t paying attention too much to who you were because you sound like every other Kira supporting flamer. Well, except that you can occasionally sound somewhat rational, if we ignore the fact that ALL Kira supporters seem to miss that most of the discussion on Kira on this is purely objective, or from the standpoint of someone interested in saving someone else some money.

    I sincerely doubt any of you have read more than 2% of what is on this page, and I certainly wouldn’t believe any of you actually look at it without totally jumping the gun and accusing everyone who has ever posted here of bashing Kira.

    (By the way, coming from someone who has been bastardizing my name with the “oh so clever” use of a petty insult that has no standing on reality, complaining about me misspelling your name is really hypocritical.)

    Critics can be harsh, but they are necessary to increase the reader base of many a writer. If you are an unfortunate writer who’s personal life interferes with their business savvy, that’s your own fault, and not the fault of the critics and readers who point this out to other potential clients.

    Knowing how much you can handle is the responsibility of even bipolar people. Professionalism goes a long way.

    Integrity is a greater part of life than you might think. If you act one way most of the time, and then change your attitude whenever it doesn’t get you good grades or a job, it’s liable to affect your life later on anyhow. Despite what people say, it is never truly possible to separate work and your personal life. The way you treat people does make a difference. I would have a very hard time believing you if you claimed to treat people like sunshine normally.

    I am very sad for the future of our medical field, if someone who puts so little value in structure is entering it. Maybe I am wrong and you are just venting here to relieve the stress of a highly active schooling. If so, you sure picked a poor way to convince people of your decision making skills.

    If I am a fly, your swats just miss. If they hit, I wouldn’t very well be coming back now would I. *sigh*

    But with this I’ll leave it at that, I don’t want to wear out poor Shiloh more than necessary. As far as I’m concerned, I have nothing I need to prove. You will either learn or you wont, though I am betting on the latter.

    It continues to disappoint me that there are so many people that lack the ability to examine their own actions before accusing others.

    Throw the first stone, gamin. I am sure others will treat you with the same respect.

  262. Nadja
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 08:13:26

    Calm down dear. Have a cup of tea to steady your nerves, you sound a bit high-strung.

    Kira, if that’s you again, you’re making yourself look like an idiot. If you aren’t Kira… well. Likewise.

  263. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 09:44:59

    Why in the hell did I check my mail and find a fucking psycho on the page? Why can’t there be more naive, gentle supporters of Kira? …like me… >.>

    I can’t be the only one to exist and the others are crazy self-absorbed assholes. “You hate Kira, I hate you!!!!!!!!!! $#@!#$@!”

    :c

  264. Nadja
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:41:45

    Oh now I finally get it! This is the new cunning plan! Have this blog entry taken down by amassing obscenities in the comments! Right?

  265. (Jān)
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:43:52

    This user has been banned, no matter what email she posts from. It’s best to just ignore her at this point, because she only wants attention. This morning she posted from a high school. That should tell you everything right there.

  266. (Jān)
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 11:54:14

    Well then, I think they’d be very interested in learning what you’ve been up to with your working time. I’ve just sent off copies of your comments to the appropriate administrators. :)

  267. cathy
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 12:14:50

    wow, kira has lost her mind, im sure. The same typing style, the same similar insults with the anger in the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111shift….typical kira style. Grow up hon, we know business is slow, and your google searches lead us and others to this forum and other people who were shafted by you.

  268. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 15:44:52

    o.o! Are you guys talking about me? I just ask that because you guys were commenting before I did and should have read that ‘Kristal’ was banned.. and then Jan posted that “this user has been banned, no matter what email she posts from”

    Do I sound like Kira?

  269. Shinashi
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 15:49:46

    D: My comments are awaiting moderation?! That’s never happened before… You guys really think I’m Kira? Did whoever who had reported me, if I was reported (and my comments have always been moderated while I wasn’t paying attention XD), read my message? I tried making it as anti-Kristal as possible without judging too much…

    ^^; Didn’t expect this to happen. I guess crass language gets you on the boo-list fast. Sorry about that, but, dammit, I’m tired of people… >_>…Like Kristal.

  270. Alice Montrose
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 22:42:57

    @Shinashi: I believe it was Krystal who was banned, not you.

  271. Ann Somerville
    Dec 10, 2008 @ 23:08:35

    I believe it was Krystal who was banned, not you.

    Unless…

    dund-a-dun….

    They’re the same person.

    Nah. Must be my suspicious mind playing tricks. I’m sure KirakrysShinashi are all different people.

  272. Mrs Giggles
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 00:36:34

    What I want to know is, are all these people really Japanese or do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    Signed,

    Gigli Ayumisukiyaki

  273. Ann Somerville
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 02:00:14

    @Gigli Ayumisukiyaki:

    do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    Got it in one :)

  274. (Jān)
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 05:24:54

    What I want to know is, are all these people really Japanese or do they fancy themselves Otakus who will have more street cred if they give themselves Japanese names?

    No more so than any other online pseudonym. ;) It’s generally a sign of affection that says something about what they enjoy, much like all the Ja(y)nes names refer back to Jane Austen, including mine.

  275. Shinashi
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 11:07:17

    @Alice Montrose: Exactly! I’ve been here for a long time. First as a Kira supporter, and then a hater of those who riled this place up with stupid crap! Max and Kristal and some other person comes along and they all end up as Kira. If I was Kira- what am I? Her little sweet side that says ‘don’t trust Kira too much, but don’t be too hard on her’? The ‘Kira’s unstable but is a great writer- so don’t expect too much’ side?

    @Ann: Of all the people I would’ve expected to question my credibility, I never expected you to… You were the one who viewed me as the most sincere supporter, remember? Do you remember? Or do you now think that every supporter that comes here now is some manic part of Kira trying to change you over to her side… Your mind is playing tricks on you.

    @Mrs Giggles: Shinashi…is the name of a famous female kickboxer…. and is the combination of the names of two characters… All Japanese of course… I’m sorry I’m not using my real name… Though I really feel at odds explaining myself to you, whose name is Mrs. Giggles. And for a page full of such mature persons, to point out a specific set of names for your own amusement just seems childish to me. If I came here with the nickname MacabrePoe, would everything be different?

    @DoubtingAnnAgain: Ditto.

    @Jane: I’m not mad at you.

    I guess I can come to the conclusion that NO ONE read my message without bias. You saw exclamations points and some curse words and immediately thought KIRA- IT’S KIRA IN HIDING AGAIN!!!!!

    Though I’ve been here IN THE BEGINNING! You can even get her second freaking book and see my name as one of the little editors unless you all believe that each of those editors is actually Kira in disguise! I even have a livejournal and little writing accounts in various places- Kira must be friggin’ schizophrenic to have made up.

  276. Shinashi
    Dec 11, 2008 @ 11:15:54

    I read my message, but it doesn’t seem to portray even a piece of the anger and hurt I feel.

    But I did want to make sure that Jane, though you were one of the first to discredit me, knows that I highly appreciate her explanation. Well, I appreciate your explanation, haha. I doubt anyone will ever believe anything I say again. And if just my name, which will never ever be Kira or Kristal or Max or anything crazy, which I’ve had FOR YEARS and no one has taken up FOR YEARS, is mine, that’s fine with me.

    I guess I’m like John Proctor- “At least, let me have my name!”

  277. jenj89
    Dec 13, 2008 @ 05:39:48

    Anyone know what happened to the kirafics2 yahoo-group? It’s gone.

  278. Ann Somerville
    Dec 13, 2008 @ 06:04:06

    Or do you now think that every supporter that comes here now is some manic part of Kira trying to change you over to her side…

    Frankly, yes. At this point, certainly.

    I even have a livejournal and little writing accounts in various places- Kira must be friggin' schizophrenic to have made up.

    Um, well, she apparently has done that kind of thing. And she’s deluged this post with sockpuppeting.

    Anyone can use the name ‘Shinashi’. Looking at the style of your earlier comments and your later ones, I’m not convinced they’re made by the same people. Certainly your sudden reappearance after so long, and after the trolls came back, is suspicious, as is the tone of your message at 275.

    I honestly don’t care. What all of you fail to realise is that none of this is helping Kira’s return to what she might call normality, or anyone to move on. It’s picking at a nasty scab, and stopping it healing, while exposing some very unpleasant material underneath.

    Do everyone a favour, and shut up about Kira, okay? We’re sick of her, her supporters, and her naysayers. The issue has been done to death. Everyone but her has moved on. What’s not going to happen is this post being taken down. She, like me, like everyone else whoever made an arse of themselves on the internet, just has to put it behind her and get on with her life. Everytime someone posts to this thread, it goes to the front page and into people’s inboxes, and keeps it fresh in Google and in people’s thoughts. Let it die.

  279. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 00:07:24

    I apologize to anyone whose account I’m running up. But this has to be cleared, or else my name will be gone forever.

    Do everyone a favour, and shut up about Kira, okay? We're sick of her, her supporters, and her naysayers. The issue has been done to death. Everyone but her has moved on. What's not going to happen is this post being taken down. She, like me, like everyone else whoever made an arse of themselves on the internet, just has to put it behind her and get on with her life. Everytime someone posts to this thread, it goes to the front page and into people's inboxes, and keeps it fresh in Google and in people's thoughts. Let it die.

    I don’t care about Kira! This has nothing to do with Kira. I don’t want to be called Kira, because I am not Kira. I don’t want people to go onto livejournal, or adultfanfiction, or anywhere else where I’ve had my nickname Shinashi and say- hey, don’t listen to her, or read her messages: It’s Kira in disguise. If I get a review on one of my stories asking “Are you really, Kira?”, I’m going to be upset.

    Frankly, yes. At this point, certainly.

    I called Kristal an ‘effin psycho! I was on your side. How could anything I have said be anymore convincing you to go over to her side? I was annoyed with Kristal – a lot. I didn’t think there would be ever any more messages, and here comes the complete psycho. This gives me a bad name, for supporting Kira or whatever, because people are going to see my interests here or there and call me one of Kira’s obscene flunkies- and I’m not like that.

    Anyone can use the name ‘Shinashi'. Looking at the style of your earlier comments and your later ones, I'm not convinced they're made by the same people. Certainly your sudden reappearance after so long, and after the trolls came back, is suspicious, as is the tone of your message at 275

    And what about you? At first, you were the adult mature person, explaining exactly how a business was to be run, teaching me exactly how you feel, and now you’re just a sarcastic know-it-all. And what do you mean my sudden reappearance? I believe that every time there was an upstart in this blog, I’ve said something- negative. This sucks, or don’t subscribe to her for awhile, stuff of that nature. My tone? You mean my sweet listening tone to an absolutely aggravated tone with a few curse words to the defensive tone I took when all of you destroyed my name ? I’m sorry my words sound so different when I feel different!

    Miss Ann, I really don’t think you’re listening to reason. Have you seen my livejournal or any of my writing accounts? And what about my editor comment? You can search my email ‘shinashichan’ at yahoo on myspace and you’ll find some black young woman that lives 300 miles from Florida.

    This is not about Kira, this about my name being unfairly entangled with hers. I don’t see why you keep bringing up the ‘Kira issue’ when I’m clearly explaining on how I’m not Kira- and that’s it. This has nothing to do with Kristal anymore or Kira or Max or whoever the heck else. This has to do with me being Shinashi, the name Shinashi is mine. Yes, anyone can use the name Shinashi, but you can go anywhere on the internet and set up a login account- You will never see Shinashi. You can search Shinashi on yahoo or google and all you will find will be my writing accounts, my journals, and Satoko Shinashi, the kickboxer.

  280. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 00:12:27

    Again, I’m sorry for running up people’s account.

    Why in the hell did I check my mail and find a fucking psycho on the page? Why can't there be more naive, gentle supporters of Kira? …like me… >.>

    I can't be the only one to exist and the others are crazy self-absorbed assholes. “You hate Kira, I hate you!!!!!!!!!! $#@!#$@!”

    :c

    I just don’t get it! I just don’t see how I can be Kira in saying this. I’m calling Kira/Kristal a self-absorbed asshole….Wow, if this is how people are going to rally up supporters I fear for 2012 campaign ads.

  281. Shinashi
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 02:20:06

    Anyone know what happened to the kirafics2 yahoo-group? It's gone.

    It’s gone, gone? Or are you just not getting emails? I haven’t been looking, but I have realized that I’m not getting anymore emails.

    Either way- if you’re not getting emails, but the group exists, she might’ve just removed you from her group- especially if you’re not a subscriber. If the group’s gone, gone, she might’ve just moved herself and all of her subscribers and stuff to her website.

    I’m only guessing this because I read some time ago about her removing the group and giving out updates only on her journal- which you have access to when you subscribe. I would look into it, but it is 2:19 a.m. and I have work tomorrow. :D Email me if you like; it’s above the message I sent before this one.

  282. jenj89
    Dec 14, 2008 @ 07:02:43

    The group is gone, as in “Group Not Found”. It’s just idle curiosity on my part, so no need to investigate further, but thank you anyway!

  283. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 21, 2008 @ 23:57:09

    Goodness. I find it hard to believe there’s still a conversation going on at this site. What in the world do you all still have to talk about?

    This is my first visit here in ages, and I had expected to find the conversation stopped around where I left, which was shortly after my last post. I confess I didn’t read all the posts–there were too many! I have no idea why any of you would find me an interesting topic of discussion.

    I did want to clarify that I have NOT been posting here. You ought to give those persons who you have been accusing as being ME, some credit and stop associating them with me, as it’s clear they find this deeply offensive.

    Frankly I could care less if anyone comes to my defense. I know the truth of my situation, and I know the truth about many of you. It must be irritating that all your groaning about me has only made me BIGGER, from a business perspective.

    Actually I came to thank you all. Since this page came up, my customer base TRIPLED. So my initial angst over the site was all for naught; apparently bad publicity is comparable to good publicity when it comes down to business. I’m not laughing at you, honestly–but the irony is so beautiful.

    I did also want to issue a formal apology for anyone who was hurt or inconvenienced by anything I did, before or after my religious conversion and subsequent/concurrent mania. I particularly apologize to this site, for sending my suicide note to you that day (“spamming” your site, as you put it). I realize I wasn’t thinking clearly by planning some grand online suicide, but I had hit the bottom of the barrel. You see, then, I really did care what people thought of me.

    Now I don’t care. Yes, I HAVE moved on…but apparently none of you have.

    And I should thank you too, for my life. If you hadn’t notified Esther, she wouldn’t have called that swat team, and this site would have been the subject of great scrutiny when the video was released. Fortunately, I was able to get the help I needed and, God willing, will never again be in such a grim state of mind. One thing I can be sure of–I will NEVER take my own life merely because of what others think of me.

    Some of you appear to be great enemies of mine, and yet I don’t even know you–you were never even members of my site. I find that odd. Why would anyone devote so much time, energy, and emotion for someone you don’t even know? Why even have an opinion?

    For the record, I forgive everyone here for anything bad (whether true or untrue) you may have said about me. The sad part is, I’m sure many of you are awesome people, some of you perhaps even very good writers, and we might have even had something in common. We might have been friends. But for whatever reason you have decided to cast all the evils of the world on me and my name. That is your choice.

    Just remember that there is One who sees all things and we will all be one day judged for all that we do.

    One last thing. Please, PLEASE…do keep this page up. The business is absolutely wonderful!

  284. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 01:50:24

    The fact that you are posting here is proof enough that you do indeed care about what’s being said. And you found out one of 2 ways. You have been stalking this forum like a hawk, or some one else has told you of the situation and you are pretending to shrug it off.

    You did a lot of people dirty, and they (yes me included) tried to defend you as well as your company, as I was there from the very beginning. We gave you numerous chances only to be lied to and stabbed in the back. You did it to everyone kira. When you had the first outbreak we knew you were sick and we helped. But then you were *sane* and told us that you didnt need us?

    You can try reverse psychology all you want. The page needs to be here to let people know what type of person you are, ill or otherwise. So you do not take thier hard derserved time, money, emotions and efforts and use it on a random *spaz attack*

    Some of the people who were there gave up a lot for you. And quiet frankly, the only ones who are now in your corner are kids who have nothing else to do but try and defend something/someone they have yet to understand. Because lets face it, those who are in your corner can only throw around nasty words in your defense because they do not have anything invested in you but a couple of books

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi
    You use your illness to justify what you have done, and you are dead wrong.
    If this doesnt bother you then do not respond

  285. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:04:14

    Cathy,

    I think that no one should be denied their humanity. People may do inhuman things, but it still remains that they are human, and fallible.

    Using illness to justify things is wrong, not taking responsibility for your actions is wrong, but taunting someone like you just have is a little crass.

    I think it goes unsaid that since Kira posted here she obviously has some interest in what is going on.

  286. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:45:34

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi

    Cathy, I understand that this situation upset you but it’s wrong to say this of anyone, no matter what she’s done.

    Kira may not believe this, but all of us wish she really would get better and move on. I’ve not been paying attention to her, only to her silly fans who comment here, so her post reads more like one of those Christmas letters that I get from a rarely-seen cousin every year telling about all the things her children have done. tl;dr, and as my eyes glaze over I shrug my shoulders and wish her well. We’ll know that she really has put this behind her when she no longer feels she has to post here.

  287. Lafayette
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 02:49:12

    Oh boy, just in time for the Holidays, it seems the crazy train is up and running and full speed ahead into Crazy Town!!!

    I swear, I keep this site in my faves because you can’t pay for entertainment like this!!! Oh the Drama!!! Is Kira stalking this blog, are some of the posts Kira supporters or Kira herself???? Hell, all you have to do is tune in next time….

    The madness rules supreme!! What can I say, Kira’s Bi-polar, no doubt about it. And it shows in her raves!! Just take a peek at her online journal, (look for it under the links at the yaoihouse) it would make a psych student proud.

    Guess what she did erase her Yahoo Group!! 1 down and more to go. At some point hopefully soon, she’ll get tired of being an attention whore. I saw the previous post from the crazy herself where she thanks this site for the revenue to her site. Now who’s the crazy, those that actually pay for her insane writing samples or the fact she still has a website???

    I guess from her blog, it seems she has admitted that Esther is no longer with her, and its gonna be a one woman crazy show from now on cause quote

    “I should formally announce that Esther (and Sarah, who you never met) are no longer with me at this point, as I have decided I can only afford to pay for my own salary and don't have the resources to pay others for work as well. Maybe that will change down the road, but for now I am going it alone. So, please don't email either one, as they apparently don't want to be contacted, and I don't want them to become annoyed with emails.

    OMG you can’t make this shit up, people help her and she just spits in their face. Gotta love the masochists.

    Well I fed the trolls long enough, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Kira/NonKira raving LOL!!!

  288. Ann Somerville
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 03:23:57

    all of us wish she really would get better and move on

    Yes. Very much so.

    And inasmuch as this looks worryingly like the start of another manic episode with the references to religion and so on, I think taunting and provoking Kira as Lafayette is doing, is not just mean, but literally dangerous.

    Leave her alone, ignore her posts, and if anyone is reading this who has the influence, try and encourage her to seek help. This is no longer about a failed business venture, which most of the original participants have long since moved past, but about a mentally ill person, and doing anything to encourage paranoia or feelings of worthlessness is beyond unkind.

  289. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 11:36:54

    You are not a human being Kira Takenouchi

    Now, let me get this straight. Your position is that, because I stopped writing for a period of approximately six weeks and inconvenienced some people by having them apply for refunds, that I, therefore, am no longer a human being?

    Do you seriously not see how absurd such a stance is? Say what you will of me, when I knew I needed help, I sought and got treatment. You have a serious problem. What is it that you lack, that makes you lash out so at others? What is missing in your life?

    If this doesnt bother you then do not respond

    I will respond to whatever posts I choose. YOU will not dictate to me when I will respond or not. Perhaps you hoped I would let your idiotic remarks pass by without calling you out on it. You were wrong.

  290. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 11:50:20

    OMG you can't make this shit up, people help her and she just spits in their face.

    Thank you for sharing a quote from my personal blog, which I have stated numerous times is forbidden to do. It is not only forbidden, it is downright rude. It is nice to know that you have nothing better to do than hang around my site when you clearly are there for nefarious reasons.

    For your information, I have not “spit” in anyone’s face. Esther is to receive 20% of my profits, and Sarah another 15%! How is giving them money for DOING NOTHING, from here on out, spitting in their faces? I simply removed them from access to my personal email, for reasons I will not discuss here, and I did not want Esther, in particular, to continue doing work (and she did FABULOUS work for me) that I couldn’t reimburse her for. I’m making a living on my writing but I don’t have enough extra for a second salary. I can’t, in good faith, accept someone’s help when I can’t reimburse them properly for it. It was Esther’s choice, after that, to completely walk away, and I haven’t heard from Sarah.

    I also want to be solely accountable for my company. That is why I want no one else legally involved. Those percentages will come out of my own pocket but they will be the equivalent of legal shares, just without being part of the Operating Agreement (which has not yet been signed). I did not want to rush into signing anything until I felt comfortable with the arrangement at hand.

    But none of that is any of your business.

  291. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:24:40

    Yes. Very much so.

    And inasmuch as this looks worryingly like the start of another manic episode with the references to religion and so on, I think taunting and provoking Kira as Lafayette is doing, is not just mean, but literally dangerous.

    Leave her alone, ignore her posts, and if anyone is reading this who has the influence, try and encourage her to seek help. This is no longer about a failed business venture, which most of the original participants have long since moved past, but about a mentally ill person, and doing anything to encourage paranoia or feelings of worthlessness is beyond unkind.

    *Blinks* What? Such loving kindness coming from you, Ann? I’m touched.

    Explain to me how it is that any of you may post whatever you like, saying the most hateful, egregious things, but when I post in my defense, I am promptly labeled as “manic”. I am not manic. I am doing very well, thank you. In fact, my psychiatrist has suggested I reduce my meds, and I agree. I have been stable for some time. You obviously do not understand what mania is, if you believe a calm, rational post is mania. If I post something without any periods and in all caps, you will know I am manic.

    Talking about God does not make one manic. However, you are correct that, at least for me, in the past there has been an association with strong conversion experiences and subsequent manic episodes. I believe the emotion launches the mania.

    Now, however, I cannot be launched into a mania, simply because my chemistry forbids it. That is the wonderful thing about being bipolar in the twenty-first century–medications can control it. When I think of Beethoven or Van Gogh or other artists said to be bipolar, I wonder how they survived.

    It is true that, of late, I have been thinking a lot about life and where I will be after death, and that I want to be sure I am with my Father in heaven. It is also true that I have some of the same doubts about my writing now that I did back in the spring. But that has been a constant worry, my fear that what I am writing is somehow immoral or displeasing to God. I go round and round on it, loving my stories and yet worrying that they are morally wrong. There is no question I have a penchant for the perverted and enjoy the celebration of carnal activities via the written word. It is perhaps sinful enough that I what I write titillates, or is intended to do so. The question I grapple with is that of homosexuality and whether it is wrong in the eyes of God. I had always assumed that the key thing that matters is whether or not a couple love each other. But I can find no Scriptures to support my view, and this makes me nervous.

    But as I said, this is an ongoing struggle, not a manic-induced obsession. Thankfully, I do not have feelings of worthlessness, as I did earlier this summer when I happened on this site and nearly killed myself over it. The parts up to that episode I read over and over, sinking deeper and deeper into despair. But I have read little of this site since.

    I know that I am a beautiful human being, just like each of you. I know that I have my faults and my strengths, just as we all have. I know that I have done nothing that merits some of the treatment I have been getting. I am not a baby-killer or a cannibal. I am just a writer, trying to make my way in this world same as anyone, and trying to discern right from wrong, and to privately come to some answers about life’s biggest questions.

    And I am serious about keeping this page up. I was able to move to full-time writing and now support myself that way. I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake. Although I suppose I should take some credit for my success myself, it’s hard to believe my subscription count could have skyrocketed like it has based on my my writing alone. I mean, I know I’m not the greatest writer out there, nor have I ever claimed to be.

    Anyway, it was nice of you, Ann, (and smart) to recognize that mental illness is nothing to scoff at. You don’t poke at the bear and not expect to get bit. However, it is not necessary to be concerned.

    I am puzzled, however, as to why this site continues to generate traffic. What exactly is it that some of you are still so angry and hostile about? Perhaps if I understood specifically what your objections are, we could come to some sort of mutually agreeable resolution.

  292. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:33:13

    I'm only guessing this because I read some time ago about her removing the group and giving out updates only on her journal- which you have access to when you subscribe.

    That is correct. I will be giving notifications about updates and all news on my site, in the restricted area only, most likely just in the Journal area. I hadn’t been using the Kirafics group to post anything recently and no one else was using it so I got rid of it.

  293. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:44:04

    I don't care about Kira! This has nothing to do with Kira. I don't want to be called Kira, because I am not Kira.

    I’m sorry, Shinashi, that folks are being so rude and inconsiderate to you. Of course I know you, though I doubt that makes you feel much better to know that the one person who acknowledges you is me!

    The Admins know perfectly well you and I can’t be the same person because we wouldn’t have the same IPs. So I am not sure why they allow such a silly discussion to continue.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    If it makes you feel better, some your answers made me laugh so hard I snorted pop up my nose!

    Hey, email me…do you have access to my site? If not (or if so, for that matter) I’ll give it to you for free, just for having to put up with this foolishness. I’m at [email protected].

  294. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:46:07

    You did a lot of people dirty, and they (yes me included) tried to defend you as well as your company, as I was there from the very beginning. We gave you numerous chances only to be lied to and stabbed in the back. You did it to everyone kira. When you had the first outbreak we knew you were sick and we helped. But then you were *sane* and told us that you didnt need us?

    What in the world are you talking about? Who are you?

  295. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 12:59:22

    YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN!!!!! THE LADY IS FUCKING BIPOLER YOU SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING!!!YA'LL HAVE NO FUCKING LIFE!!!NO ONE WITH A RIGHT MIND WOULD WRITE A WHOLE PAGE ON SOMEONE THEY DON'T LIkE!!! FUCK, GET A FUCKING DIARY FOR YOURSELVES!!!! SO WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR BOOKS ITS ONLY FUCKING $30 YOU BROKE BITCHES!!! WHY DON'T YOU GET LIVES YOU STUPID FUCKING MORONS!!!!!

    Okay as amusing as I found this, it really doesn’t help me out too much. Honestly, I do appreciate the sentiment. It’s just that posts like this only serve to inflame others.

    Let me state this now and hopefully put an end to some of this: I don’t need anyone to defend me. I can defend myself, if I find it necessary. If you post here in my defense, you will be ruthlessly attacked. It is like jumping into a shark-tank with a blood-smeared skinsuit on. You can expect to be insulted.

    So, please, everyone–while of course anyone is free to post here, I would nevertheless urge you not to do so, if you are trying to defend me. There is a lot of anger and hostility here, and sometimes that masks real hurt. I would like to have a face-to-face conversation here with my accusers and see if I can determine what exactly you are still angry about, so that we can come to some resolution or perhaps, if applicable, restitution.

    But this needs to be my battle. For all of you who have braved this page for my sake, thank you for your efforts. I know you meant well. But let me take over, from this point on.

  296. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 13:17:59

    You obviously do not understand what mania is, if you believe a calm, rational post is mania. If I post something without any periods and in all caps, you will know I am manic.

    Being manic would in no way make you type in caps. I have no idea how you would get the notion that you can actually tell someones mood from typed conversation. Such things are infamous for being misleading.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    This is just blatantly untrue. Your taking the opinions and words of just a few that post here and attributing it to the whole. Things like this are what convince people you may be manic. It’s a gross exaggeration.

    To take only the comments that are derogatory (Which isn’t even half of them by the way) is conceited, and self centered.

    Many of us here don’t even really care about you a fig. I certainly don’t. I don’t dislike you, but after coming here and having personal experiences (Not bashing, just personal experiences) related on buying stuff from your previous business setup, I made an informed decision not to buy your fiction.

    It is a real pity, because I found what I could see of it without paying rather interesting. This has nothing to do with people hating you though, it is a fault of your own for at the time damaging the faith of your clients.

    I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake.

    Was this even necessary? I am confused by your need to say something that sounds so much like “Ha Ha, I’m doing well so ‘thhhhpppp’!”

    I am puzzled, however, as to why this site continues to generate traffic. What exactly is it that some of you are still so angry and hostile about?

    Recently the only people coming here and starting up nonsense are some anti-anti-kira fanatics (or perhaps just bored flamers) who show up to say we’re all stupid, and we should stop talking crap. Of course they ignore the fact that there hadn’t been any posts in months, and they ignore pretty much all the context of the posts, so at least on my part I feel the need to disabuse them of their inconsistencies. Maybe I shouldn’t bother, but I like at least a good portion of the people that post semi-often here and I can’t say that I don’t like to hear and participate what they say.

  297. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 14:02:54

    Being manic would in no way make you type in caps. I have no idea how you would get the notion that you can actually tell someones mood from typed conversation. Such things are infamous for being misleading.

    I repeat: you obviously have no useful experience with someone who is manic. Mania causes intense excitement and convoluted, stream-of-consciousness styled communication. Hence my warning to look for a post “without periods”. You can most certainly tell, at least sometimes, from a person’s speech and written word whether they are in a manic state or not.

    I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

    This is just blatantly untrue. Your taking the opinions and words of just a few that post here and attributing it to the whole. Things like this are what convince people you may be manic. It's a gross exaggeration.

    How would someone making a gross exaggeration in any way mean that person was manic? Again, do some research on the subject before you make unfounded proclamations. My characterization of this page is certainly fair. The majority of posts here attack me, plain and simple. Therefore it is fair to say this is an Anti-Kira page.

    To take only the comments that are derogatory (Which isn't even half of them by the way) is conceited, and self centered.

    This doesn’t even make sense. How would overlooking any flattering comments make me conceited and self-centered? I recommend you take a course in logic.

    Many of us here don't even really care about you a fig. I certainly don't.

    Then why on EARTH do you spend so much time here? Strange person!

    I don't dislike you, but after coming here and having personal experiences (Not bashing, just personal experiences) related on buying stuff from your previous business setup, I made an informed decision not to buy your fiction.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Please be specific rather than make veiled, vague accusations. And whether or not you purchase my fiction makes no difference to me. It still doesn’t explain your almost obsessive presence on this site.

    It is a real pity, because I found what I could see of it without paying rather interesting. This has nothing to do with people hating you though, it is a fault of your own for at the time damaging the faith of your clients.

    Nope. You’re wrong. There’s real hate here. Satan himself rules this page. And the majority of real haters aren’t clients, they are writers who haven’t read anything I’ve ever written, or else people like you who have nothing better to do and aren’t even involved, or else authors who had to make big, dramatic fusses about imaginary books they never even finished for Yaoi House, or else those who hoped to strike it rich when I initially appeared to abandon my enterprise and were disappointed when I took my stories back.

    I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake.

    Was this even necessary? I am confused by your need to say something that sounds so much like “Ha Ha, I'm doing well so ‘thhhhpppp'!”

    Uh, no. Did you even read the post? I was making a point that I’m attributing part of my success to this page, since surely it can’t be my own fiction that has earned me so many new members.

    Recently the only people coming here and starting up nonsense are some anti-anti-kira fanatics (or perhaps just bored flamers) who show up to say we're all stupid, and we should stop talking crap. Of course they ignore the fact that there hadn't been any posts in months, and they ignore pretty much all the context of the posts, so at least on my part I feel the need to disabuse them of their inconsistencies.

    Try reading the bizarre recent post from “Cathy” — and I know no Cathys, by the way.

    Maybe I shouldn't bother, but I like at least a good portion of the people that post semi-often here and I can't say that I don't like to hear and participate what they say.

    So, because you have nothing better to do, you amuse yourself by posting on a board about a person you don’t even care about? Yeah, that makes sense.

  298. Yukiko Shijima
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 15:01:11

    I do have experience with manic people, as it runs in my family. In no way does it compel someone to write badly and forgo periods. I can agree that it affects speech. It does not compel one to write badly, I repeat, such a thing is influenced only by bad habits and choices to do so. Hitting the caps lock key is a choice, not an emotion. Saying that capitalizing is a proven manic behavior is like saying depressed people always cut off their ears.

    Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won’t criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don’t belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it’s just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

    “Nothing better to do” is a little harsh. I simply check my email. It takes less than five minutes to respond. I am at my computer for the majority of my day.

    Those that speak up because of their ‘imaginary books’ or whatever are just as entitled to do so as you clearly feel you are. They were involved in the Yaoi House LLC which is in truth what this site is about, not just you.

    I never said anything about you overlooking flattering comments. You assuming that was what I meant is only supportive of my claim that your actions are conceited. There are comments here that are neither flattering or derogatory. Critical opinions are not derogatory, by the way. Derogatory is a term usually reserved for intentionally disrespectful abuse. The aim of the commentary on this site is not for or against you. The original post is a review on the Yaoi House LLC, actions committed by it, (in which you were obviously a very involved party), and opinions of the poster on what they mean. People afterward either agreed or disagreed, had further questions concerning these events, and gave answers to those that had questions.

    Thinking that all that is about bashing you is conceited. I don’t really think I can be more clear about that but take it as you will, look for flaws in my argument and take it apart to make yourself look better. It’s not like it’s an uncommon behavior online to do so, I doubt anyone would find it unexpected.

    Since this site is not something I spend countless hours on, I feel no need to re-read the entire thing every time I want to pick out an example of something I am saying. You’ll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone. (Of course you could take the other option of criticizing me, but I think that would be in poor favor, because I have not insulted you, only questioned the nature of your actions.)

    While I don’t care about you, that is not to say that I am not affected by your actions. I do not dislike you enough to ignore you, or wish you ill. I would not though, be influenced to do something that inconvenienced me for your sake, which is what I mean in terms of caring.

    There are many people (if you read from the top) that are not haters, there are quite a few visitors that have just had honest questions to those who did have experience with the purchasing of your materials. There are both disappointed parties and satisfied ones.

    I don’t understand why you would say my presence is obsessive. You have certainly posted here more times than I.

    I do not think that it is strange for you to come here and say your piece, but the fact that you feel the need to claim a lot of your success is due to this site really feels like you’re trying to thumb your nose at the people here. I don’t understand the purpose if not to gloat that you’ve succeeded despite what you perceived as attempts to bring you down. This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I’ve changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can’t claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

    What I’ve gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

    Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

  299. Ann Somerville’s Journal » Blog Archive » Reverse psychology doesn’t work all that well, actually
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 15:42:13

    […] Kira Takenouchi, Dec 21, 2008: Actually I came to thank you all. Since this page came up, my customer base TRIPLED. So my initial angst over the site was all for naught; apparently bad publicity is comparable to good publicity when it comes down to business. I'm not laughing at you, honestly-but the irony is so beautiful. […]

  300. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:02:01

    Saying that capitalizing is a proven manic behavior is like saying depressed people always cut off their ears.

    I didn’t say that capitalizing was a proven manic behavior. Stop twisting my words.

    Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won't criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don't belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it's just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

    Not only have I taken logic, one of my husbands taught it. But Satan has nothing to do with logic. Good and evil are absolute truths, not logical arguments. I did not literally mean that the site is “possessed”, but Satan is indeed here. Anger, malice, envy, cruelty, arrogance, pride, rudeness, contempt–all these come from him, and this page abounds with examples. I wasn’t using Satan “as an argument,” I was simply stating a fact: HE IS HERE.

    If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and accept him as your Savior, you belong to Satan. The Scriptures are very clear on this, as well as what your fate is: you will be judged by our Almighty God after your death and then tormented forever in hell, the place prepared for Satan and his angels. I would not wish such a fate on even my worst enemy or the cruelest poster on this page. Whether or not you “believe” this is true will not matter–that is your fate if you refuse to acknowledge that Christ is the Lord.

    Conversely, if you accept Jesus and obey his teachings, you will have eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Scriptures are very clear about that, too.

    I could not let this opportunity pass without making that important point clear. In fact, it is the most important thing that has been said on this site.

    You'll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone.

    I pick C, care less, since you obviously have no concrete accusations.

    This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I've changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can't claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

    I’m sorry, what actions? I have no idea what you’re referring to.

    What I've gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

    Again, what are you talking about? What actions? You’re not making any sense. As far as “convincing” people that I have changed, why would I want to do that? I haven’t done anything intentionally wrong. I can’t help that I was ill for awhile. I only gave a blanket “apology” to anyone who might have been inconvenienced, in order to be friendly, not because I felt like I did anything wrong.

    Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

    Again, what actions? You perplex me. How are my actions suspect? What actions? As for accepting my success, I do accept it, and I deserve it, though I admit I have been more successful than even I ever dreamed. However, I see no reason to allow folks to continue to post about me without calling them out. So from here on out, that is what I will do. I suspect most of you are cowards and hiding behind aliases because you don’t dare accuse me to my face, like Lafayette.

  301. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:13:08

    wow you are a nut

  302. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:18:51

    In both cases, the assumption is that the motivation is to damage someone's livelihood, when in reality, it's to expose unprofessional behaviour that's hurting other people. Kira's mentally ill.

    Being mentally ill is not unprofessional behavior; it is an illness, the same as cancer or diabetes. I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness. It wasn’t actually necessary, since everyone already knew I was bipolar.

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Whether or not you intended to destroy my livelihood, I don’t know: the fact of the matter is that you failed utterly to do so. I do not, in fact, have a “failed business”, I have a thriving business.

    Please, keep writing about me, I love the free advertising!

  303. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:20:40

    wow you are a nut

    ? That’s it? That’s the best you can come up with? *looks at watch* Go ahead, I’ve got time. See if you can come up with something more intelligent to say than that.

  304. Ann Somerville
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:26:36

    I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness.

    Kira, my post isn’t about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

    However, if you had read the post below that, you’d see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It’s not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

    My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

    Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you’re being vicious. There’s nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who’s sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

  305. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:30:13

    The thing with you, is you think its a game. you are a horrible person and you use an illness as a way to get by in life. Im not trying to make a comeback at you.
    We see you for who you truely are. You are a sick person who ‘thinks’ she is winning on a forum.

    “arguing over the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded”

    You think by responding to everyone’s post that you are winning? That boasting about business and a home your are special? Trust me you’re not, Dear. You said that you would not be replying to the thread anymore, yet you do lol.
    You seem to be losing plenty of sleep over this forum. Please try not to have another mania attack, even though there wouldnt be much of a difference at this point

  306. cathy
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:30:59

    ok I will stop sorry Ann got the comment too late

  307. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:33:01

    Cathy and Yukiko and others, I’d like to add my plea to Ann’s. While we rarely censor people and try to always allow them to speak their minds, please do consider what’s going on here, and that this has degenerated into something other than a discussion that serves any good purpose.

  308. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:36:43

    Kira, my post isn't about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

    Interesting. You quoted me and then announced I was mentally ill. I guess that was just the openers to your article.

    However, if you had read the post below that, you'd see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It's not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

    I know that. However you certainly never gave me credit before–you even doubted that I was bipolar. Why the sudden change?

    My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

    I just decided I’m going to put an end to the lies you all post on this site, so I will be answering every single accusation posted here. I’ve been to the doctor, thank you, and she agrees I am well.

    Just because I care about your soul doesn’t make mean I’m having a psychological episode.

    Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you're being vicious. There's nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who's sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

    Um, I’m not going through any crisis, here. Just not letting any more ridiculous posts go through to this site without calling people out. If you all are allowed to accuse me of whatever comes to mind, I am allowed to defend myself.

    However, your concern for the mentally ill is…commendable, and truly touching. *wipes tear from eye* Let me guess. You finally got a diagnosis yourself so you’ve changed your view on my situation.

    Sarcasm aside, I’m glad you do understand, though I’m sorry if you experience such torment yourself.

  309. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:41:09

    The thing with you, is you think its a game. you are a horrible person and you use an illness as a way to get by in life.

    Gee, you’re a really swell human being, too. You know what? Even though you said such a terrible thing to me, at least this time you acknowledged that I’m a human being. So I’ve gone up a notch in your eyes.

    What do you mean I “use illness as a way to get by in life”? I’ve never heard anything so absurd. My illness is what makes it difficult for me to get by, not my crutch! Can you really be that ignorant about the subject?

  310. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:43:06

    Cathy and Yukiko and others, I'd like to add my plea to Ann's. While we rarely censor people and try to always allow them to speak their minds, please do consider what's going on here, and that this has degenerated into something other than a discussion that serves any good purpose.

    Interesting how only when I finally come on the board to defend myself does the discussion suddenly have to stop.

  311. (Jān)
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:51:10

    Kira, I didn’t ask discussion to come to a halt. Everyone here is free to discuss this until the cows come home. I merely asked those posting inflaming comments to consider their words, and to what purpose they’re posting.

  312. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 16:55:48

    Kira, I didn't ask discussion to come to a halt. Everyone here is free to discuss this until the cows come home. I merely asked those posting inflaming comments to consider their words, and to what purpose they're posting.

    Well then. When you put it that way, I think what you say is very wise. How easy it is to forget that a real live person is on the other side of the screen. Because, despite what Cathy says, I do not think this is a game.

  313. Becca Abbott
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 17:00:32

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you’ll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation — as if I had any control over your behavior.

    You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse, broke into personal email accounts, openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior, did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition, made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you, spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note — the list is really quite impressive.

    Now, suddenly, you’re back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression, trying to rewrite history, making claims for your business you can’t support, and so on. I agree with others: this isn’t your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I’d wish you good luck but….nah.

  314. Kira Takenouchi
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 17:18:04

    by Becca Abbott December 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm Reply to this comment

    How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

    Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you'll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation -‘ as if I had any control over your behavior.

    What are you talking about? I know of only one or two individuals who were not refunded before Yaoi Underground went bankrupt. Forward me these “emails” so I can deal with them.

    You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse,

    How was I screwing over anyone when you all plotted together to have Harial publish your books rather than me?

    broke into personal email accounts,

    granted. And I found exactly what I was looking for.

    openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior,

    You’ve got to be kidding. Defending myself when others insulted and spat upon ME is a crime?

    did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition

    What in the world are you talking about??? Be specific!

    , made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you,

    The only thing I accused anyone of was THE TRUTH, how Harial, Tyler and Vanessa wanted to “trick me” into signing away my rights, mistaking my mental illness for stupidity, apparently.

    spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note -‘ the list is really quite impressive.

    How did that hurt anyone but me? I almost DIED THAT NIGHT!

    Now, suddenly, you're back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression,

    What’s that supposed to mean? I can’t talk about my faith?

    trying to rewrite history,

    How am I trying to rewrite history, Becca?

    making claims for your business you can't support, and so on.

    Excuse me, what claims? And what does “and so on” mean?

    I agree with others: this isn't your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I'd wish you good luck but….nah.

    Now that you’re finished insulting me, I’m still waiting to hear how I hurt anyone?

  315. Hell Not Hell
    Dec 22, 2008 @ 22:49:58

    THIS is a telling thread. For every one’s sakes (include “bash-ers” with “bash-ee’s”) … please keep the telling going strong ! I can not find it any where else.

    OK, I say to keep talking, but please see I do not refer to the “flaming”. The flaming, it’s clogging the page all up, losing the “wheat in the chaff”, losing comm. attention, & that is the most needed thing to have here. “Keep It Up !” I beg to Ja(y)nes of the Ultimate Powers. =D

    Readers will please pay ever so very close attention to what has been said before (& LONG before) my message as well as what comes after it? (I will send only today … I will not say more to make every one’s head ache even worse ! LOL). It will not show you what is happening if you skate over your reading ! b/c all in basic is already told on this page ! More will help answer the cloudier questions but continue to listen, but not just “to hear”.

    I have long thought, and am sorry it is time for this rant added to other people’s rants, but it is time. Now I know Ja(y)nes’ readers need to know … & are heart felt wanted to know by people who care about other people’s safety (& I think that all the Ja(y)nes really care) ! This humble post comes from my deepest within too & is not a mean flame or a crazy joke ! It is instead love & prayed hope for all community safety and family.

    Here were very easy directions to follow if you hope to find a part of truth in this loud & over tired yelling … what the web site hope to do for every one. I hope it was not an insult to tell every one what to do & I only said because I got a maddened feeling like every one was getting taken away from the subject in the insulting (& also having competition of words with no real discussion some times !).

    Thanks All !, & Happy New Years’ To Hard Working Ja(y)nes, Et Al ! =)

  316. Tina
    Dec 23, 2008 @ 15:09:07

    Kira, stop this please. I think you’re talented and I hate seeing you do this.

    If you truly don’t care, as you say you do–then don’t click on this site again.

    It’s over, just turn your back on this thread and go write.

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