Jul 18 2009
2009 RITA Award Discussion
Surprised? Disappointed? Happy? Feel free to use this thread to vent about the awards.
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Jul 18, 2009 @ 19:50:12
I was thrilled when Jo Bourne and Pam Rosenthal won RITAs. They are great writers. I was disappointed when Nalini Singh and Meljean Brook did not win. They are winners in my mind.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 19:53:29
I don’t usually pay attention, but this year I’m delighted that Pam Rosenthal is receiving this kind of recognition. Literate, explicit historical romance = win in every way!
Jul 18, 2009 @ 19:53:44
Majorily disappointed that a book with barely with a hint of what we see as true paranormal, was in a paranormal category. Really feel for Nalini and others who deserved that award far more.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 20:02:32
Very disappointed with the outcome in the paranormal category.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 20:27:48
Has anyone read Seducing Mr. Darcy by Gwen Cready? I know who all the other Paranormal Romance finalists are, but I’ve never even heard of Gwen Cready.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 20:34:47
Slightly surprised that Joanna Bourne won for MLAS rather than SL, which I thought was stronger, but it was nice to hear she was recognized. Has anyone else observed that sometimes a writer will win an award for a title that’s not necessarily her absolute best? I’ve seen it happen with the Newbery Awards, so I guess the RITAs are no different in that regard.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 21:32:05
Having not read very many of the nominated books, I’m pretty thrilled that the one I did and loved won (Spymaster’s Lady) and very very very disappointed that the other one I did and loved didn’t (Mine to Possess). Singh’s series is truly one of the better PNR series in the market. I wish she’d been amply rewarded for her talent, style and imagination. And darn it, I wish KC had been nominated in this category!
Jul 18, 2009 @ 21:33:49
Sherry Thomas got robbed. Private Arrangements should have won something.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 22:20:32
I read Seducing Mr Darcy, or at least tried to read it. It was a DNF for me. Maybe there should be a category for actual paranormal/urban fantasy and another for those with only an element of paranormal/fantasy to them.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 22:50:12
Just checking in on the winners here–and if Sherry Thomas didn’t win for Private Arrangements, I feel very very sad . . .
Jul 18, 2009 @ 23:34:51
Neither Private Arrangments nor The Spymaster’s Lady was nominated. A Category thing? A timing thing? Anyway, the win for My Lord and Spymaster holds the record for the first time in the last two years a RITA winner didn’t make me go, WTF?!
Jul 18, 2009 @ 23:41:44
I’m really shocked Sherry Thomas didn’t walk away with an award. I was sure she was a shoe-in. Shows what I know about the RITAs…
Jul 18, 2009 @ 23:55:02
Sorry, got confused. So Bourne did win an award — for her other book (which I’ve not read and hence can’t love … yet) rather than the book I’ve read and loved. Can’t judge merits or demerits of the awards but yay, I’ve got a good reading list!
Jul 19, 2009 @ 06:24:13
I’m sorry, but why isn’t there Meredith Duran somewhere in the nominations? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
Oh, I read Seducing Mr Darcy via BookMooch. It was a DNF for me, too.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 06:52:02
Doesn’t it feel like someone should take another look at the paranormal category?
I’m happy for the winner because —why wouldn’t I be since I wasn’t competing—but the nominated books seem to be sorely lacking in titles/authors that fans are actually buying and reading. Where are the works of Kresley Cole or Patricia Briggs or 25 other really well written paranormal books from 2008?
And okay. My own prejudice. It feels like fan-fiction and I want authors to stop messing with Mr. Darcy.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 07:15:14
Must admit to being a bit wtf about a time travel being in paranormal.. but that could be a personal thing.
Though I also have a query, was that a young adult book that took out the best first book? Was it a YA with romantic parts?? huh?
Admittedly I do not know much about RWA or RITAs but I am a bit confuddled..
Jul 19, 2009 @ 07:16:03
First, major congrats to all the winners. May your RITA hold pride of place on your bookshelves and well deserved, too!
Secondly, you have to be in it to win it. One of my favorite writers of paranormal romance is Lynn Veihl, but she never enters contests. These days I don’t, either, mainly because I feel bad competing against writers I know and admire. I don’t see why my work should be compared to others in this way, especially, as others have said, because like isn’t always compared to like. So there are quite a few authors who don’t enter the RITA, for various reasons. It isn’t a free contest, and judges don’t nominate their own choices, they have to choose from the entrants.
Far more of a thrill for me, anyway, is when one of my books is chosen as a favorite read.
Doesn’t stop me being thrilled for Linnea Sinclair, who won the Prism, and other writers. Bourne is a fine writer and I loved her first book, though I haven’t read the second one yet.
But others enter, and others win, and I’m thrilled for them, because different authors have different attitudes and ways of looking at things. One day I hope to attend the ceremony and cheer for my friends, and for books I love.
Haven’t read the Cready book, but I, too, am a big Nalini Singh fan, and I’d love her to win an award for it. Maybe it’s because of the revival in historicals, or the Austen boom? (Watch for Harlequin releases with “Darcy” in the title, lol!)
What the RITA won’t make me do is rush out and buy the books. I used to, but not any more, and I’m not sure why.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 08:01:11
@Lynne Connolly
hmmmm, is that a threat? *grin*
It seems those titles must be selling or they wouldn’t be coming out so hot and heavy so I’m happy for readers that like those works.
**Thanks also for the reminder about who is actually entered. I know I’ve read about that before but we tend to forget especially when we love certain books and never see them mentioned or awarded.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 08:39:13
Every year the Ritas remind me of how few genre romances I read. I had never heard of the Cready book either and it ranking is fairly low on Amazon (107, 979) so it will be interesting to see how far up winning a RITA sends it. I’ve always wondered how the Rita translates into sales.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 09:43:59
I’m excited that Rachael Gibson won again. She’s one of my favorite contemporary romance authors.
I agree with the other comments, there were some great authors missing from the nominations. But I guess if they don’t enter they can’t win.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 13:03:22
I am happy for Rachael Gibson because that book was really good. I love her. I am sad that Sherry Thomas didn’t win for Private Arrangements. I loved that book and it really made me interested in reading historicals again.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 13:31:21
I am OVER THE MOON about Pam Rosental’s win. IMO she should have won last year too! It’s so wonderful to see that sometimes the books/authors that I love get recognized (reasures me that my tastes aren’t too far from the norm afterall, LOL!). I was a bit bummed by the paranormal category too, as one of the books I judged finaled, and I would really loved to have seen it win.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 14:39:07
I gave up on the RITAs several years ago because I felt like they had no value to me as a reader. I think they are an insiders award that really means nothing the reader. I have on several occasions gone and bought the winning books and been really sad to discover the books were just not that good. I am sure that for authors they are special and important, but i really think they don’t mean anything to the average consumer.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 14:51:20
@liz…: I often feel out of step with the RITAs as well. I was listening to an author talk about the RNA award and wishing we had one like that.
The RNA long list is picked by the public. Members of the public who are NOT affiliated with RNA in any way apply to be judges. RNA selects a number of them based on age group so that there is equal representation in all age groups from the 20s to the 70s. Then these readers are all mailed 5 books. From this judging round, a long list is developed and then a handpicked RNA panel will read and judge the long list to reduce to a shortlist. The short list is then judged by a jury of authors (5 I think).
Interestingly there is no digital divide in the RNA. You either make a certain amount via royalty or advance and are considered eligible on that basis.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 15:07:15
The Virginia Romance Writers Chapter of RWA has a reader-judged contest — the HOLT. The 2009 winners are here.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 17:40:36
One of my major disputes with the RITA and RWA is the fact that only the published authors can vote for the books. So it is really only a PAN award. (And please, don’t anyone mention the Academy Awards–all Academy members vote for best picture)
Jul 19, 2009 @ 18:07:37
I thought for sure that Sherry Thomas would walk away with a statuette. But I imagine she has many more years of nominations and awards to come. (She was as delightful in person as she is on the page!)
Jul 19, 2009 @ 20:46:52
To add on to what I wrote earlier….
I personal think that the RITAS are a private award giving to people in a special club. (The RWA) I personally don’t feel like I as a non-member have a right to say how this club gives out it’s awards. As long as the voting members are OK with it who am I to cast stones? BUT …. As a group the RWA wants readers to know who won and be interested in them. They want us to have respect for these awards. They want the industry to value these awards and who won them. So given that, I don’t feel bad by saying that based on discussions on this site and others, I think that in the RWA’s efforts to devalue certain members works, to have them conform into what they think a romance should be, they have in fact devalued me as a reader. By saying that certain books and publication avenues are not as important as others they have said that I as a reader am not important. Why should I care who they think is great when they don’t like half of what I read or the way that I read it?
I do know that there are several reader awards out there and I do participate in a few. I just think that the RWA would have way better PR if they were more open to all writers and keep their fights off public web sites. By dissing writers they are also dissing readers. Just my opinion.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 22:37:27
@SandyO: You make it sound like all PAN members get to vote on the books, but that’s not the case. Now, someone correct me if I’m wrong (I’m a PAN member, but I’m not interested enough in the RITAs to read through the rules), but I think the RITAs go something like this:
1 – Author/publisher submits X copies of book and non-refundable registration fee to RWA with a form specifying under which category the book falls. (So, if RWA decides your book doesn’t qualify for the RITAs for whatever reason, you don’t get back the registration fee.)
2 – RWA sends the books to five PAN authors who do not write for–and possibly do not read or even like–the category. (This reason is the second one as to why I don’t volunteer to judge the RITAs. I can imagine being sent a whole whack of inspirationals to read and judge–and that’s not going to happen.)
3 – The five PAN authors score the title according to the judging sheet.
4 – List of finalists announced.
5 – Winner declared at RWA Nationals.
So, the RITAs are definitely not the Academy Awards. If the RITAs became more like the the Hugo Awards, which is not pay-to-play, is reader nominated, and is judged by the entire Worldcon membership, I might participate.
Jul 19, 2009 @ 23:20:36
DNF for Seducing Mr Darcy too. Wallbanger.
And at Aussie prices too.
Could have bought 6 capuccinos for the cash I spent on that.
The question I was asking myself was, what was Gwen Cready’s book doing in the same category as Nalini Singh, Yasmine Galenorn, Gena Showalter, Kerrelyn Sparks and Lori Handeland?
My interest was picqued this year because I had actually read some of the books up for nomination. Most of the time we’ve never even heard of them.
Time for a coffee………………………….
Jul 19, 2009 @ 23:21:43
Just got back home tonight. Of course I too very much wanted Sherry Thomas to win a RITA, probably as much as any member of the audience. But if that wasn’t to be, I am glad Pam Rosenthal won in the historical category since I think The Edge of Impropriety was an excellent book, and she is an author much deserving of recognition.
And how cool was Pam Rosenthal thanking Dear Author and the Februrary Book Club (aka bloggers Meriam, Jessica, Tumperkin and RfP) in her acceptance speech? I confess I didn’t hear her do so on the stage, since I was sharing my sentiments about her win with Meredith Duran at the time, but Pam told me about it afterward, and I thought it was beyond gracious.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 07:03:36
Yikes! Try to get your facts right instead of guessing.
1 – Author/publisher submits X copies of book and non-refundable registration fee to RWA with a form specifying under which category the book falls. (So, if RWA decides your book doesn't qualify for the RITAs for whatever reason, you don't get back the registration fee.)
If the book does not meet entry requirements, it is returned and the money refunded.
2 – RWA sends the books to five PAN authors who do not write for-and possibly do not read or even like-the category. (This reason is the second one as to why I don't volunteer to judge the RITAs. I can imagine being sent a whole whack of inspirationals to read and judge-and that's not going to happen.)
Books are sent to five judges who have OPTED-IN to judge in specific categories. Judges are allowed to self-select which categories in which they feel qualified to judge. Judges can mark a book “Not a Romance” or “Wrong Category” but it takes three of the five judges to agree to knock a book out. At this point, it can be disqualified and the money not returned, but RWA has born considerable expense to reach this point of no return so it is reasonable to offer no refund at that time.
3 – The five PAN authors score the title according to the judging sheet.
3A: Scores are tallied and the finalists (the number dependent on the number of entries received) are sent to another round of judging.
It’s always smart to get some facts before trying to comment on a process.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 07:06:10
@Edie
I think it’s because time travel has no proper category since Speculative Romance was done away. Fantasy could be a better category than Paranormal, though, but I think so many are used to seeing Magic/Fantasy and Urban Fantasy labelled as Paranormal that Fantasy is also (slowly) dropped/ignored?
@Janine
Yes! Some of us on Twitter responded very positively when a live tweet came through that she gave a shout out to bloggers and reviewers in her speech.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 07:08:49
@Jay Bancroft: You did the see part where I asked people to correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not interested enough to read all the rules, right?
ETA Other PAN authors have mentioned getting books in categories they didn’t want to judge, so I’m not so sure how binding that opt-in form is.
Also, authors have mentioned on the different loops about asking the RITA score sheets be sent to them and it not happening, and that brings up a whole host of questions. But hey, that’s just the former auditor in me.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 07:47:19
I was happy to hear that Seducing Mr. Darcy won. I thought that while the premise was a little recycled, the author did a fine job switching between worlds. I used to intern at Pocket and sat in the cubicle next to Megan McKeever. I’m so pleased she’s an editor and that she’s got a winning author. Good for both of them.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 09:23:43
I’m over the moon that Pam Rosenthal won and that I was able to cook her celebratory pancakes the next morning (she stayed at my house, so she would have got the pancakes anyway). EDGE is such a terrific book but out of the mainstream enough that I was surprised as well as thrilled. It’s great to see good writing as well as good storytelling recognized in a contest that often appears to celebrate the status quo.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 09:42:00
Okay, I’m just a reader, not an author, so while I may be surprised by some of the choices, I’m not personally affected (or offended). I do, however, have more respect for an award presented for a book by other published authors than one awarded by readers in general. Imagine you are a painter. Would you want your work to be judged by a panel most of whom consider paintings of wide-eyed waifs to be the highest achievement of art?
Maybe the RITAs don’t translate into higher sales, but I hope the finalists and winners feel proud and honored to have the respect of their peers -’ and not too bothered by the sour grapes.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 11:12:16
I was thrilled that Pam Rosenthal won for best historical–the same thrill I got when Laura Kinsale’s Shadow Heart won, against all odds.
The RITAs aren’t exactly known for rewarding the high unusual. But the genre desperately needs someone like her, who is not afraid of her own vision or of pushing the envelope, to keep it fresh and engaging. I am so glad her books resonated so well with the judges. It is past time her body of work is acknowledged.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 11:29:23
Here’s the thing: where does time-travel go if not in Paranormal? There’s no other category where it fits in the current structure.
There should be “Paranormal” and “Speculative” categories, with all the time-travel in the latter.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 12:17:37
The romantic suspense category was fantastic, and I’m thrilled Cindy Gerard won (even if she beat me!) I couldn’t have asked for any better co-finalists. Rocki’s book NOW YOU DIE was my mom’s favorite of the trilogy (and she liked them all) and ditto for STOP ME by Brenda Novak. Carla Neggers, Karen Rose, Colleen Thompson, Cherry Adair . . . all terrific writers I’ve read. Anyway, I think the finalists showed the breadth and depth of the romantic suspense genre from dark to light, sexy to not-so-sexy, and . . . I’m tickled Cindy let me pet and covet her Rita during the party afterwards :)
Jul 20, 2009 @ 12:36:56
I am very happily surprised to see that Pam Rosenthal won for The Edge of Impropriety. Congratulations to her.
I expected The Spymaster’s Lady to win Best Historical, but I really loved Rosenthal’s book and her writing is exquisite imho. I appreciate that a “riskier” type of book won, when there were so many deserving nominees.
I’m still bummed that Meredith Duran didn’t get nominated for Duke of Shadows, though. :( Maybe next year she will have a chance, with two books coming out this year.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 12:44:14
From Wikipedia (which of course is to be taken with slight scepticism) “Stories that involve time travel devices and technologies that take people backwards and forwards in time and space are considered part of the science fiction genre, whereas stories that involve time travel through supernatural, magical, or unexplained means are considered part of the fantasy genre.”
My initial thought when people brought up their dismay, was ‘shouldn’t that have been in fantasy, not paranormal?’ But what do I know :)
Jul 20, 2009 @ 16:41:20
Sorry if I sounded like all of the PAN members got to vote on the RITAs. What I meant was only PAN members could be judges. RWA prides itself on its 10,000 members, but they only allow a small number to even be eligible to judge its most prestigious award. To me, RWA tends to smack of a very divided bus, with the unpublished (you know the ones whose money funds the organization) sitting at the back of the bus. And now with the E-Pubs, you guys are in the trailer being pulled by the bus.
There’s a lot of good in RWA but some of it still sticks in my craw, and I haven’t belonged in over 10 years.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 17:38:55
Congrats to all the winners and I will echo the YAYs for Pam Rosenthal!! I loved that book and in fact, now I think I need to go re-read it… As for Seducing Mr Darcy, a total DNF for me, but as with all award-type stuff, everyone’s tastes differ and congrats to Gwen Cready for the win.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 17:59:54
thanks @Maili I am pretty much a rwa/rita ignoramus, boo to the speculative being taken out.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 18:19:37
RWA is an industry organization, and pretty much has to say what is and isn’t their ‘industry.’ Can you imagine another professional organization being reticent to say what they believe constitutes their industry? In this case, there have to be some kind of parameters on what a romance is, or else what is the purpose of the organization?
RWA has modified its definitions of what constitutes a ‘romance’ in the past, and I suspect they will again. That’s part of their mission. I don’t see where I as a reader get devalued. What is RWA to a reader? We can read whatever books we want. Publishers aren’t buying/publishing/pricing ‘romances’ based on RWA’s definition/parameters, so I don’t see how it affects or devalues readers in the least.
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Jul 21, 2009 @ 23:55:48
Ooops. Moonstruck is missing from the list used here for the 2009 paranormal romance RITA finalists. One reason I’m pointing it out is that I saw people commenting about why a time travel was in this category (the winning book), so wanted to make sure you knew a SF Romance was there, too! (Moonstruck) Every year there are paranormal books that make the cut that aren’t shape shifters or vamps, or what is considered “paranormal”. Strange they whittle down the historical category yet lump all of our “out of the ordinary” books in one category.
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able wrest their own
grouse removed or edited
.
The ripoffreport.com spot isn’t
what it seems, so ironically ripoffreport.com is a ripoff. It’s a
clever scam,
but it’s distinctly a scam .
There are some ways in which the
responsibility
games/has gamed the search engines (specifically Google), to lavish as
fabulously as they do, so optimistically they’ll wake up to that. This
superior be less of an
result when Google stops giving them so much
clout in the search results .
Near the
way, I infer from where people did experiments
and tried to gramophone record “reports” on the
area
crudely
ripoffreport.com, Google, or sponsors at ripoffreport.com, and the reports were not at any time approved .
http://www.naymz.com/directory/georgia+giatras
Nov 16, 2009 @ 23:34:08
http://www.informationweek.com/btgcommunity/thread.jspa?threadID=56839 redtube, myeate,
Jun 08, 2010 @ 05:59:53
But now I contain rush at to believe that the all in all domain is an problem, a benign problem that is made rueful on our own fuming effort to simplify it as supposing it had an underlying truth.
Jun 08, 2010 @ 08:47:12
But from time to time I have come to believe that the fit community is an enigma, a non-toxic conundrum that is made hideous not later than our own out of one’s mind attempt to explicate it as in spite of it had an underlying truth.
Jun 08, 2010 @ 11:13:33
But from time to time I contain rush at to believe that the fit domain is an riddle, a benign poser that is made terrible aside our own fuming attempt to explicate it as in spite of it had an underlying truth.
Jun 21, 2010 @ 17:25:30
To be a adroit benign being is to be enduring a make of openness to the world, an gift to group undeterminable things beyond your own control, that can govern you to be shattered in very extreme circumstances pro which you were not to blame. That says something very weighty about the condition of the honest life: that it is based on a trust in the fitful and on a willingness to be exposed; it’s based on being more like a shop than like a jewel, something rather dainty, but whose very particular attraction is inseparable from that fragility.