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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment on my little piece.   Your comments are quite helpful and respond to many of the questions I had been mulling over.  I really appreciate how the community here can converse so civilly and at the same time offer real constructive criticism.  I was especially touched to get comments by some of my favorite authors in the genre!!  Here are a few responses to the main criticisms. 
-	The main character - indeed, Max is the hero of this novel, but Lucien has hijacked the beginning!  I fell in love with him and he ran off with the first chapter, the devil! I agree that I need to start this novel with the two main characters, Max the and La Belle Russe, an American heiress on the lam, determined to turn herself into a cabaret star in La Folie Bergere.  Lucien, Max&#039;s troubled younger brother, is on a self-destructive rampage through the continent.  He&#039;s young (early 20s), disillusioned and angry at the English aristocracy (and his older brother) for what he sees as their hypocritical complicity in the death of his best friend.  Exposing himself in the tabloids as the ridiculous lover of a rising cabaret star seems like a good form of revenge against his dutiful brother.  In the next book, Lucien  gets his comeuppance in spades from a fiery journalist/suffragette, but he has a few years of growing up first
-	Historical accuracy - thank you to all who pointed out that my colloquialisms may not be historically precise. I&#039;ll have to do some more precise research to find a mildly offense way to say â€œDrunkâ€ and â€œidiot/bastardâ€ in the 1890s. 
-	 This story actually began when I found an anthology of news stories from the Paris Herald (later the Herald Tribune) an English paper published for expatriates in Paris is the 1880s and &#039;90s.  I found several breathless accounts of duels of honor by foreign aristocrats.  The duels may have been technically illegal, but the French authorities did not seem to care what foreigners got up to in the woods, so long as they left ordinary French citizens alone.  The news reports of the duels really do read more like fashion gossip than crime reports. Duels often resulted in injury or death, but the journalists wax rhapsodic about the duelists&#039; hats and shoes.   I really believe that Belle Epoque dandies could give Heyer&#039;s rakes a run for their money in the fashion department.  While the duel is actually ripped from the headlines, so to speak, I can see how it might seem anachronistic since we know that modern technology, the world wars, and all the social upheaval of the 20th century were fast approaching.  As one commentator pointed out, the Titanic would sink in just a few years; of course, the 1st class passengers of the Titanic thought they were on just another decadent pleasure cruise, just as the dandies of the &#039;80s and &#039;90s thought that their life of pleasure and consumption would never end.   What appeals to me about the Belle Epoque is the extravagant decadence paired with the growing awareness of social change. Paris in the &#039;80s and &#039;90s was full of foreigners with money to burn.  American magnates and Russian princes hosted magnificent champagne receptions in their yachts and commandeered the finest restaurants for their private balls.  Think: pre-Enron Houston x 1000.  
Would you believe this story?: a young  American heiress marries into the French aristocracy at the orders of her ambitious mid-western parents,  only to fall madly in love with a Gypsy musician camping in the woods outside her new husband&#039;s Chateau.  She then renounces her wealth, runs off with her Gypsy lover to Paris, and becomes a sensational singing star/pin-up-girl.  It&#039;s a true story straight from the headlines of the time!!  

I do agree with the comment that while the duels may be historically accurate, I have to win the reader&#039;s trust.  And I can see that this scene does not really evoke Paris since all the participants are English and the setting is a forest.   Thus, I will begin in the smoky back-stage of La Folie Bergere dance-hall.

As to the horrid typos : symbols/cymbals and reins/reigns - argh!! (hitting my head).  I swear that a four year old with a phonics book could beat me at scrabble.  I desperately need a copy-editor!

Thanks as well to those who pointed out that I switch out of my limited omniscient perspective by describing Lucien&#039;s hands.  I&#039;ll need to watch that in the future.

Again, thanks to all your wonderful comments.

And, Joanne Renauld, I hope you are already familiar with Meredith Duran&#039;s Bound By Your Touch- the hero isn&#039;t exactly a dandy, but very close in spirit.  And I look forward to her new Belle Epoque novel in April!
 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment on my little piece.   Your comments are quite helpful and respond to many of the questions I had been mulling over.  I really appreciate how the community here can converse so civilly and at the same time offer real constructive criticism.  I was especially touched to get comments by some of my favorite authors in the genre!!  Here are a few responses to the main criticisms.<br />
-	The main character &#8211; indeed, Max is the hero of this novel, but Lucien has hijacked the beginning!  I fell in love with him and he ran off with the first chapter, the devil! I agree that I need to start this novel with the two main characters, Max the and La Belle Russe, an American heiress on the lam, determined to turn herself into a cabaret star in La Folie Bergere.  Lucien, Max&#39;s troubled younger brother, is on a self-destructive rampage through the continent.  He&#39;s young (early 20s), disillusioned and angry at the English aristocracy (and his older brother) for what he sees as their hypocritical complicity in the death of his best friend.  Exposing himself in the tabloids as the ridiculous lover of a rising cabaret star seems like a good form of revenge against his dutiful brother.  In the next book, Lucien  gets his comeuppance in spades from a fiery journalist/suffragette, but he has a few years of growing up first<br />
-	Historical accuracy &#8211; thank you to all who pointed out that my colloquialisms may not be historically precise. I&#39;ll have to do some more precise research to find a mildly offense way to say â€œDrunkâ€ and â€œidiot/bastardâ€ in the 1890s.<br />
-	 This story actually began when I found an anthology of news stories from the Paris Herald (later the Herald Tribune) an English paper published for expatriates in Paris is the 1880s and &#8217;90s.  I found several breathless accounts of duels of honor by foreign aristocrats.  The duels may have been technically illegal, but the French authorities did not seem to care what foreigners got up to in the woods, so long as they left ordinary French citizens alone.  The news reports of the duels really do read more like fashion gossip than crime reports. Duels often resulted in injury or death, but the journalists wax rhapsodic about the duelists&#39; hats and shoes.   I really believe that Belle Epoque dandies could give Heyer&#39;s rakes a run for their money in the fashion department.  While the duel is actually ripped from the headlines, so to speak, I can see how it might seem anachronistic since we know that modern technology, the world wars, and all the social upheaval of the 20th century were fast approaching.  As one commentator pointed out, the Titanic would sink in just a few years; of course, the 1st class passengers of the Titanic thought they were on just another decadent pleasure cruise, just as the dandies of the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s thought that their life of pleasure and consumption would never end.   What appeals to me about the Belle Epoque is the extravagant decadence paired with the growing awareness of social change. Paris in the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s was full of foreigners with money to burn.  American magnates and Russian princes hosted magnificent champagne receptions in their yachts and commandeered the finest restaurants for their private balls.  Think: pre-Enron Houston x 1000.<br />
Would you believe this story?: a young  American heiress marries into the French aristocracy at the orders of her ambitious mid-western parents,  only to fall madly in love with a Gypsy musician camping in the woods outside her new husband&#39;s Chateau.  She then renounces her wealth, runs off with her Gypsy lover to Paris, and becomes a sensational singing star/pin-up-girl.  It&#39;s a true story straight from the headlines of the time!!  </p>
<p>I do agree with the comment that while the duels may be historically accurate, I have to win the reader&#39;s trust.  And I can see that this scene does not really evoke Paris since all the participants are English and the setting is a forest.   Thus, I will begin in the smoky back-stage of La Folie Bergere dance-hall.</p>
<p>As to the horrid typos : symbols/cymbals and reins/reigns &#8211; argh!! (hitting my head).  I swear that a four year old with a phonics book could beat me at scrabble.  I desperately need a copy-editor!</p>
<p>Thanks as well to those who pointed out that I switch out of my limited omniscient perspective by describing Lucien&#39;s hands.  I&#39;ll need to watch that in the future.</p>
<p>Again, thanks to all your wonderful comments.</p>
<p>And, Joanne Renauld, I hope you are already familiar with Meredith Duran&#39;s Bound By Your Touch- the hero isn&#39;t exactly a dandy, but very close in spirit.  And I look forward to her new Belle Epoque novel in April!</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Renaud</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/first-page-features/first-page-unnamed-historical/#comment-229534</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne Renaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this excerpt, and I loved everybody&#039;s comments.  I agree that the tone seems to be more late Georgian/Regency, rather than Belle Epoque.  But I don&#039;t think it would take much work to make Lucien a Belle Epoque Huysmans-loving dandy.  I particularly thought the newsmen were a nice touch, though wouldn&#039;t there be a photographer or two with them?  

I hope Lucien is the hero, and not Max.  I too have had my fill of glowering Heathcliff types.  The mention of a &#039;billowing cloak&#039; seems a bit anachronistic for the time period.   

Hmmm, now this has whetted my appetite for reading romances featuring dapper Belle Epoque dandies.  Does anyone have any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this excerpt, and I loved everybody&#8217;s comments.  I agree that the tone seems to be more late Georgian/Regency, rather than Belle Epoque.  But I don&#8217;t think it would take much work to make Lucien a Belle Epoque Huysmans-loving dandy.  I particularly thought the newsmen were a nice touch, though wouldn&#8217;t there be a photographer or two with them?  </p>
<p>I hope Lucien is the hero, and not Max.  I too have had my fill of glowering Heathcliff types.  The mention of a &#8216;billowing cloak&#8217; seems a bit anachronistic for the time period.   </p>
<p>Hmmm, now this has whetted my appetite for reading romances featuring dapper Belle Epoque dandies.  Does anyone have any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan/DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan/DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this and liked Lucien, but then, I adored Alistair in Loretta Chase&#039;s &lt;b&gt;Miss Wonderful&lt;/b&gt;.  I wouldn&#039;t mind Max as hero, but he can have his own book later.

Even though I liked it, I agree with a number of the comments about tone and grammar.  An example of an infodump that doesn&#039;t sound quite right is the last sentence, when Lucien thinks to himself &quot;it was his brother, the Duke of Warwick . . .&quot;  He knows his brother is the duke, and the sentence is clearly put there so that we learn it, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s how Lucien would phrase it to himself.  He might think along the lines of &quot;was Max here because he was worried about his younger brother, or was he here as Duke of Warwick, angry about the possible stain on the family&#039;s reputation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this and liked Lucien, but then, I adored Alistair in Loretta Chase&#8217;s <b>Miss Wonderful</b>.  I wouldn&#8217;t mind Max as hero, but he can have his own book later.</p>
<p>Even though I liked it, I agree with a number of the comments about tone and grammar.  An example of an infodump that doesn&#8217;t sound quite right is the last sentence, when Lucien thinks to himself &#8220;it was his brother, the Duke of Warwick . . .&#8221;  He knows his brother is the duke, and the sentence is clearly put there so that we learn it, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s how Lucien would phrase it to himself.  He might think along the lines of &#8220;was Max here because he was worried about his younger brother, or was he here as Duke of Warwick, angry about the possible stain on the family&#8217;s reputation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne McA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne McA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It reminded me a lot of Heyer: Freddy in particular brought to mind Freddy from Cotillion and Ferdy from Friday&#039;s Child (perhaps a different name?) 

I love Heyer, so I&#039;d without question buy the book to see if I also liked this author. But I agree with everyone else: it&#039;s so Heyer-like that my mind defaulted to the Regency period. From this page alone it&#039;s hard to imagine this character is a contemporary of Sherlock Holmes. 

Minor nitpick &quot; Of course, Lucien would never have the bad taste to be shot.&quot; It is funny, but it threw me off, because I can&#039;t imagine him thinking that to himself. He might say it aloud as a witticism, or a bystander might make that remark - but as internal musing, it seemed peculiar. 

Also, I&#039;d be slightly worried about him throwing a firearm in the air. I know nothing whatsoever about firearms, so it&#039;s not a complaint - just to point out that it might be worth adding a phrase to explain to readers ignorant about guns, how it&#039;s safe to toss them around. (Unless it is unsafe, and it&#039;s meant to show him as reckless.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminded me a lot of Heyer: Freddy in particular brought to mind Freddy from Cotillion and Ferdy from Friday&#8217;s Child (perhaps a different name?) </p>
<p>I love Heyer, so I&#8217;d without question buy the book to see if I also liked this author. But I agree with everyone else: it&#8217;s so Heyer-like that my mind defaulted to the Regency period. From this page alone it&#8217;s hard to imagine this character is a contemporary of Sherlock Holmes. </p>
<p>Minor nitpick &#8221; Of course, Lucien would never have the bad taste to be shot.&#8221; It is funny, but it threw me off, because I can&#8217;t imagine him thinking that to himself. He might say it aloud as a witticism, or a bystander might make that remark &#8211; but as internal musing, it seemed peculiar. </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d be slightly worried about him throwing a firearm in the air. I know nothing whatsoever about firearms, so it&#8217;s not a complaint &#8211; just to point out that it might be worth adding a phrase to explain to readers ignorant about guns, how it&#8217;s safe to toss them around. (Unless it is unsafe, and it&#8217;s meant to show him as reckless.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by all the comments saying how concerned people are about the level of Lucien&#039;s maturity, or his capability, or his self absorbed nature, I&#039;d say you&#039;re doing great. He&#039;s an immediately interesting character, the jokes are amusing, and clearly he&#039;s meant to be comic. Other people have nitpicked on the smaller things, but I thought some of this was nicely, engagingly written.

I also liked how blase he was about fighting a duel. I kept thinking as I was reading &quot;He&#039;s awfully calm and jovial in the face of perhaps getting shot&quot; but that&#039;s a point of silent tension until you reveal that he has absolutely no regard for his opponent. Of course the laws of comedy dictate that he has to get his comeuppance for his arrogance, but it&#039;s your book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by all the comments saying how concerned people are about the level of Lucien&#8217;s maturity, or his capability, or his self absorbed nature, I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re doing great. He&#8217;s an immediately interesting character, the jokes are amusing, and clearly he&#8217;s meant to be comic. Other people have nitpicked on the smaller things, but I thought some of this was nicely, engagingly written.</p>
<p>I also liked how blase he was about fighting a duel. I kept thinking as I was reading &#8220;He&#8217;s awfully calm and jovial in the face of perhaps getting shot&#8221; but that&#8217;s a point of silent tension until you reveal that he has absolutely no regard for his opponent. Of course the laws of comedy dictate that he has to get his comeuppance for his arrogance, but it&#8217;s your book!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Granger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Granger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to say, I thought this had a great sense of humor, and conveyed that sense of humor through the character well.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GrowlyCub

Heyer herself might not have used the term &quot;blaggard&quot; (which appears to be a corruption of &quot;blackguard&quot;),  but I also mentioned  Heyer imitators who might have done so.  Sorry for the confusion.</description>
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<p>Heyer herself might not have used the term &#8220;blaggard&#8221; (which appears to be a corruption of &#8220;blackguard&#8221;),  but I also mentioned  Heyer imitators who might have done so.  Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: HotLikeSauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotLikeSauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had mixed reviews to this piece. I was really captivated by Lucien but I do feel that you might have gone overboard with his attentiveness to his dress at the time of a duel. He seemed really immature and as far as I&#039;m concerned, I&#039;m not too keen to read about children playing with firearms. If the book is about him, I&#039;d do something to make him seem a little more tuned into what&#039;s going on in the moment or at least introduce some plausible reason why he is so tuned into his attire. 

Still, I&#039;d keep reading. I enjoy your voice and am interested enough in the characters to want to know more. Also, I am really excited by the time period and setting and would love to see more of that in the manuscript.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had mixed reviews to this piece. I was really captivated by Lucien but I do feel that you might have gone overboard with his attentiveness to his dress at the time of a duel. He seemed really immature and as far as I&#8217;m concerned, I&#8217;m not too keen to read about children playing with firearms. If the book is about him, I&#8217;d do something to make him seem a little more tuned into what&#8217;s going on in the moment or at least introduce some plausible reason why he is so tuned into his attire. </p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;d keep reading. I enjoy your voice and am interested enough in the characters to want to know more. Also, I am really excited by the time period and setting and would love to see more of that in the manuscript.</p>
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		<title>By: hapax</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hooked by the first line, and loved the rest.

Others have pointed out the odd typo and clumsy pov slippage, but those are easy fixes.

I&#039;d be disappointed if Max was the hero -- brooding protective dark Alpha heroes are a dime a dozen, but we need more self-absorbed dandies.

I&#039;d take issue with all those complaining about the Regency &quot;tone&quot; -- it&#039;s definitely there, but there&#039;s nothing about it intrinsic to the early nineteenth century, just what we associate with romance set in that period, mostly due to the influence of Heyer.  However, Heyer also wrote many Georgians and a medieval or two, and they all had the same mannered frivolity. I can&#039;t imagine why they wouldn&#039;t translate into the 1890s -- this is the heyday of Oscar Wilde and Gilbert and Sullivan etc. after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hooked by the first line, and loved the rest.</p>
<p>Others have pointed out the odd typo and clumsy pov slippage, but those are easy fixes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be disappointed if Max was the hero &#8212; brooding protective dark Alpha heroes are a dime a dozen, but we need more self-absorbed dandies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d take issue with all those complaining about the Regency &#8220;tone&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s definitely there, but there&#8217;s nothing about it intrinsic to the early nineteenth century, just what we associate with romance set in that period, mostly due to the influence of Heyer.  However, Heyer also wrote many Georgians and a medieval or two, and they all had the same mannered frivolity. I can&#8217;t imagine why they wouldn&#8217;t translate into the 1890s &#8212; this is the heyday of Oscar Wilde and Gilbert and Sullivan etc. after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tone of this actually sounded to me a lot like The Scarlett Pimpernel, so Fin de Siecle writing set in 18th century England. 

I liked Lucien. Fun to read.

I&#039;m concerned about the repetition of dark. Dark shape, dark silhouette, dark figure, dark dark dark... easy fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tone of this actually sounded to me a lot like The Scarlett Pimpernel, so Fin de Siecle writing set in 18th century England. </p>
<p>I liked Lucien. Fun to read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned about the repetition of dark. Dark shape, dark silhouette, dark figure, dark dark dark&#8230; easy fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of Belle Epoch dandies (Arthur Schnitzler&#039;s Anatole plays are a great source, for example), but a dandy isn&#039;t a dandy isn&#039;t a dandy. This still feels very Regency. Given how many romance readers have read Regencys out the wazoo, it&#039;s probably important to make sure this feels 1890 and not 1816. 

The duel is kind of throwing me if the setting is 1890. Even if there are instances of dueling in the late 19th century, it&#039;s an increasingly rare spectacle (and the fact that newspapers sometimes got alerted to them only demonstrates even more how much more of a strange spectacle they were). I mean, even the beloved duels of Regency novels were pretty rare--dueling had been outlawed for for a long time even then, hence duels in secret, with flights to the continent, etc. On the other hand, I&#039;m hardly an expert on the period, so I could be totally wrong.  

I&#039;m also wondering what so many Englishmen are doing in Paris--I know the rich traveled, but maybe it would help set the stage more if Lucien is facing Gervaise DuMaine, or Friedrich Holtzen, or another name that alludes to your cosmopolitan, not-in-England setting. 

One sentence in the passage confused me--what&#039;s the oblivion and darkness? Was he about to faint? Was it just his focus for the duel? If it&#039;s a way to signify focus, I&#039;d choose a different description. 

I&#039;d definitely read more, provided the setting got fixed. I love historical romance, but the setting should be clear, either Regency or Belle Epoch. Both are fascinating period, but pretty different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of Belle Epoch dandies (Arthur Schnitzler&#8217;s Anatole plays are a great source, for example), but a dandy isn&#8217;t a dandy isn&#8217;t a dandy. This still feels very Regency. Given how many romance readers have read Regencys out the wazoo, it&#8217;s probably important to make sure this feels 1890 and not 1816. </p>
<p>The duel is kind of throwing me if the setting is 1890. Even if there are instances of dueling in the late 19th century, it&#8217;s an increasingly rare spectacle (and the fact that newspapers sometimes got alerted to them only demonstrates even more how much more of a strange spectacle they were). I mean, even the beloved duels of Regency novels were pretty rare&#8211;dueling had been outlawed for for a long time even then, hence duels in secret, with flights to the continent, etc. On the other hand, I&#8217;m hardly an expert on the period, so I could be totally wrong.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also wondering what so many Englishmen are doing in Paris&#8211;I know the rich traveled, but maybe it would help set the stage more if Lucien is facing Gervaise DuMaine, or Friedrich Holtzen, or another name that alludes to your cosmopolitan, not-in-England setting. </p>
<p>One sentence in the passage confused me&#8211;what&#8217;s the oblivion and darkness? Was he about to faint? Was it just his focus for the duel? If it&#8217;s a way to signify focus, I&#8217;d choose a different description. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitely read more, provided the setting got fixed. I love historical romance, but the setting should be clear, either Regency or Belle Epoch. Both are fascinating period, but pretty different.</p>
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		<title>By: job</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Lucien&#039;s &#039;voice&#039;.  That would be enough to make me turn to the next page.  

In re the footwear -- the &#039;he&#039;s never seen dew fall&#039; sounds like an affectation, rather than reality. If nothing else, I would expect an adult male of this class to regularly attend shooting parties. 

There&#039;s a couple few little nitpicks that aren&#039;t important.  This is stuff like, if it&#039;s five in the morning, would Maxim&#039;s be open for a drink when they were through?

May I be idiosyncratic here? . . . if Lucien is not the hero, I would rename him.  I feel as if a name like &#039;Lucien&#039; should be reserved to the hero rather than a secondary character.  The name and being in his POV makes me assume he&#039;s the story&#039;s protagonist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Lucien&#8217;s &#8216;voice&#8217;.  That would be enough to make me turn to the next page.  </p>
<p>In re the footwear &#8212; the &#8216;he&#8217;s never seen dew fall&#8217; sounds like an affectation, rather than reality. If nothing else, I would expect an adult male of this class to regularly attend shooting parties. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a couple few little nitpicks that aren&#8217;t important.  This is stuff like, if it&#8217;s five in the morning, would Maxim&#8217;s be open for a drink when they were through?</p>
<p>May I be idiosyncratic here? . . . if Lucien is not the hero, I would rename him.  I feel as if a name like &#8216;Lucien&#8217; should be reserved to the hero rather than a secondary character.  The name and being in his POV makes me assume he&#8217;s the story&#8217;s protagonist.</p>
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		<title>By: GrowlyCub</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-229436&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sunita&lt;/a&gt;: 

I was referring to Stephanie&#039;s comment about &#039;blaggard&#039; being &#039;straight out of Heyer&#039;.

Can&#039;t say I flashed to Heyer with this at all, duel or no duel. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-229436" rel="nofollow">Sunita</a>: </p>
<p>I was referring to Stephanie&#8217;s comment about &#8216;blaggard&#8217; being &#8216;straight out of Heyer&#8217;.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say I flashed to Heyer with this at all, duel or no duel. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Sunita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wondered at the commenter mentioning Heyer because I&#039;ve read all of hers (excluding the mysteries) and don&#039;t remember that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Found it.  I was thinking of The Convenient Marriage; there are two duels, one offstage (before the events in the book) and then one in the book between the brother and the hero&#039;s heir.  The offstage duel is serious, the in-book one quite humorous.  It&#039;s worth noting that this book is set in the Georgian era. 

There is also a scene in Regency Buck in which Peregrine, the brother, is set up to participate in a duel by the villain, but it&#039;s broken up.  That&#039;s the one in which the second worries about the big mother-of-pearl buttons being targets for the opponent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wondered at the commenter mentioning Heyer because I&#39;ve read all of hers (excluding the mysteries) and don&#39;t remember that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Found it.  I was thinking of The Convenient Marriage; there are two duels, one offstage (before the events in the book) and then one in the book between the brother and the hero&#8217;s heir.  The offstage duel is serious, the in-book one quite humorous.  It&#8217;s worth noting that this book is set in the Georgian era. </p>
<p>There is also a scene in Regency Buck in which Peregrine, the brother, is set up to participate in a duel by the villain, but it&#8217;s broken up.  That&#8217;s the one in which the second worries about the big mother-of-pearl buttons being targets for the opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: GrowlyCub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrowlyCub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it. I noticed a couple of words, especially &#039;blaggard&#039; which I had never heard before.  Wondered at the commenter mentioning Heyer because I&#039;ve read all of hers (excluding the mysteries) and don&#039;t remember that.

The only bit I was unclear about what happens right before the rider appears. At first I thought Lucien was fainting or having a seizure or something of that nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it. I noticed a couple of words, especially &#8216;blaggard&#8217; which I had never heard before.  Wondered at the commenter mentioning Heyer because I&#8217;ve read all of hers (excluding the mysteries) and don&#8217;t remember that.</p>
<p>The only bit I was unclear about what happens right before the rider appears. At first I thought Lucien was fainting or having a seizure or something of that nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this reads as if you&#039;re channeling Heyer.  It reminds me of the duel in either The Convenient Marriage or April Lady (can&#039;t remembe exactly), where the younger brother of the heroine fights a duel in her honor, much to the irritation of the older and wiser hero/husband.  

I have no problem with the duel taking place and with newspapermen there.  A cursory look through Google Scholar shows that duels were very common in Belle Epoque France, both with pistols and with swords. It&#039;s not anachronistic; not only were lots of duels fought, but women challenged men as well.  They were not always life-or-death events, unlike earlier times, so your depiction of the participants&#039; views seems okay.

I think the reason people are questioning the validity is that the passage as written sounds so Regency-ish, and duels were not common in England by the late 19th century.  The passage feels historically wrong even though the duel is not, either in taking place or in terms of the reasons given.  If you can provide more grounding in the place and time, the duel will make more sense.  

A minor peeve:  the names reinforce stereotypes.  Freddy is the sidekick, Lucien is either the hero or the brother of the hero, Max rides up on a big black horse.  They detract from whatever you are bringing to the table that is original.   

Second peeve:  why is Lucien wearing so much white?  If you&#039;re going to evoke duels in romancelandia, participants only wear white if they&#039;re ignorant or they&#039;re so good they don&#039;t mind offering an easy target.  In this case, it could also be because the duel is all about form rather than danger, but that doesn&#039;t come across for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this reads as if you&#8217;re channeling Heyer.  It reminds me of the duel in either The Convenient Marriage or April Lady (can&#8217;t remembe exactly), where the younger brother of the heroine fights a duel in her honor, much to the irritation of the older and wiser hero/husband.  </p>
<p>I have no problem with the duel taking place and with newspapermen there.  A cursory look through Google Scholar shows that duels were very common in Belle Epoque France, both with pistols and with swords. It&#8217;s not anachronistic; not only were lots of duels fought, but women challenged men as well.  They were not always life-or-death events, unlike earlier times, so your depiction of the participants&#8217; views seems okay.</p>
<p>I think the reason people are questioning the validity is that the passage as written sounds so Regency-ish, and duels were not common in England by the late 19th century.  The passage feels historically wrong even though the duel is not, either in taking place or in terms of the reasons given.  If you can provide more grounding in the place and time, the duel will make more sense.  </p>
<p>A minor peeve:  the names reinforce stereotypes.  Freddy is the sidekick, Lucien is either the hero or the brother of the hero, Max rides up on a big black horse.  They detract from whatever you are bringing to the table that is original.   </p>
<p>Second peeve:  why is Lucien wearing so much white?  If you&#8217;re going to evoke duels in romancelandia, participants only wear white if they&#8217;re ignorant or they&#8217;re so good they don&#8217;t mind offering an easy target.  In this case, it could also be because the duel is all about form rather than danger, but that doesn&#8217;t come across for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t know a Regency from a Georgian from a Martian so historical details would fly right by me.

I wanted to keep reading. I enjoyed Lucien and hope that he grows up...

The only thing was Max&#039;s appearance made me wonder for the briefest of seconds if this was paranormal and that was unpleasant so I&#039;d tweak that a bit.

But I want to read more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t know a Regency from a Georgian from a Martian so historical details would fly right by me.</p>
<p>I wanted to keep reading. I enjoyed Lucien and hope that he grows up&#8230;</p>
<p>The only thing was Max&#8217;s appearance made me wonder for the briefest of seconds if this was paranormal and that was unpleasant so I&#8217;d tweak that a bit.</p>
<p>But I want to read more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Sorenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Sorenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it!  Agree with many of the points already made, ie Lucien is silly but fun, and if Max is the hero, we should open with his POV.  Still, this page has a lot of vibrancy. 

Good job and good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it!  Agree with many of the points already made, ie Lucien is silly but fun, and if Max is the hero, we should open with his POV.  Still, this page has a lot of vibrancy. </p>
<p>Good job and good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith Duran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith Duran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!  I was completely hooked by this first page.  I do love me a shallow fop brought to rights.  

Points to consider: like Sherry, I was jarred by the instances of POV slippage.  One instance: &quot;as if executing the steps of a complicated dance.&quot;  Seems like something an observer would think, not Lucien himself, unless he is acutely conscious of his own artifice at this moment (if so, this needs to be made clearer).  The remark about his fingers also gave me pause. But with just a little tweaking, these moments could serve to underscore either an acute self-awareness or his already evident (and very amusing) narcissism.  To wit: perhaps he &lt;em&gt;admires&lt;/em&gt;, briefly, &quot;the contrast between the delicacy of the blossom and the strength [apparent in] his long, tapered fingers.&quot;  (I get the feeling he pays such careful attention to his clothes because it&#039;s a form, however small, of control.  I&#039;d believe, then, that a guy like this might draw some obscure comfort from how pretty his hands look just before he uses them to lift a gun.)  

Regarding the duel -- I bought it.  Albeit rare, duels did take place in Paris at this time, and not necessarily in secret. (For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E00E5DA123CE433A25754C0A9679D94669ED7CF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a New York Times article from 1897 about an &lt;em&gt;upcoming &lt;/em&gt;duel in Paris.)  But this is one of those tough calls that falls on the odder side of the &quot;historical accuracy&quot; line.  If it&#039;s accurate but &lt;em&gt;seems&lt;/em&gt; incorrect, is it worth potentially throwing the reader out of the story (and the &quot;feel&quot; of the era) on the first page (i.e., before you&#039;ve won her trust that you know the era of which you write)?  Depends on what the duel does for your story, I suppose.  If you had it in a less public place -- or if a gendarme showed up to try to stop it (which very well may have happened with some of these duels) -- perhaps this would make it more credible for some readers.

Anyway, as I said, I really enjoyed this.  Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  I was completely hooked by this first page.  I do love me a shallow fop brought to rights.  </p>
<p>Points to consider: like Sherry, I was jarred by the instances of POV slippage.  One instance: &#8220;as if executing the steps of a complicated dance.&#8221;  Seems like something an observer would think, not Lucien himself, unless he is acutely conscious of his own artifice at this moment (if so, this needs to be made clearer).  The remark about his fingers also gave me pause. But with just a little tweaking, these moments could serve to underscore either an acute self-awareness or his already evident (and very amusing) narcissism.  To wit: perhaps he <em>admires</em>, briefly, &#8220;the contrast between the delicacy of the blossom and the strength [apparent in] his long, tapered fingers.&#8221;  (I get the feeling he pays such careful attention to his clothes because it&#8217;s a form, however small, of control.  I&#8217;d believe, then, that a guy like this might draw some obscure comfort from how pretty his hands look just before he uses them to lift a gun.)  </p>
<p>Regarding the duel &#8212; I bought it.  Albeit rare, duels did take place in Paris at this time, and not necessarily in secret. (For example, <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E00E5DA123CE433A25754C0A9679D94669ED7CF" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s</a> a New York Times article from 1897 about an <em>upcoming </em>duel in Paris.)  But this is one of those tough calls that falls on the odder side of the &#8220;historical accuracy&#8221; line.  If it&#8217;s accurate but <em>seems</em> incorrect, is it worth potentially throwing the reader out of the story (and the &#8220;feel&#8221; of the era) on the first page (i.e., before you&#8217;ve won her trust that you know the era of which you write)?  Depends on what the duel does for your story, I suppose.  If you had it in a less public place &#8212; or if a gendarme showed up to try to stop it (which very well may have happened with some of these duels) &#8212; perhaps this would make it more credible for some readers.</p>
<p>Anyway, as I said, I really enjoyed this.  Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: evie byrne</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has their nitpicks and this is mine. It&#039;s about the dew, of all things. I&#039;m sorry, but this just obsessed me for the first few paragraphs. Dew forms in the early hours. If Lucien is regularly out til 5AM he is well acquainted with the dew. 


His valet, too, who I assume would be no slouch, would take into account the &quot;conditions on the ground&quot; when assembling his wardrobe, and would not have allowed him to wear grey suede boots for the occasion, even if Lucien was daft enough to insist on it, which, I think, he would not, because he&#039;s a man who loves his clothes. 



I&#039;m no dandy, but even I won&#039;t wear my suede boots out in nature. It just doesn&#039;t ring true. It reads like a shorthand means to show what a fop he is, but it also makes him seems a bit of a fraud. A well-dressed gentlemen is well dressed (meaning &lt;em&gt;appropriately&lt;/em&gt; dressed) for any occasion, including a duel.



But once I got past my dew issues I was intrigued. I would love, love, love to read about a dandy-ized hero--if Lucien is in fact the hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has their nitpicks and this is mine. It&#8217;s about the dew, of all things. I&#8217;m sorry, but this just obsessed me for the first few paragraphs. Dew forms in the early hours. If Lucien is regularly out til 5AM he is well acquainted with the dew. </p>
<p>His valet, too, who I assume would be no slouch, would take into account the &#8220;conditions on the ground&#8221; when assembling his wardrobe, and would not have allowed him to wear grey suede boots for the occasion, even if Lucien was daft enough to insist on it, which, I think, he would not, because he&#8217;s a man who loves his clothes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no dandy, but even I won&#8217;t wear my suede boots out in nature. It just doesn&#8217;t ring true. It reads like a shorthand means to show what a fop he is, but it also makes him seems a bit of a fraud. A well-dressed gentlemen is well dressed (meaning <em>appropriately</em> dressed) for any occasion, including a duel.</p>
<p>But once I got past my dew issues I was intrigued. I would love, love, love to read about a dandy-ized hero&#8211;if Lucien is in fact the hero.</p>
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