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		<title>By: Karen Knows Best &#187; Abortion In Romance, Yay or Nay? &#8211; The 2012 Version</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-357706</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Knows Best &#187; Abortion In Romance, Yay or Nay? &#8211; The 2012 Version</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back in July 2009, DA Jane had a post asking whether or not abortion was acceptable for a heroine in romance. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Audio Switch</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-262169</link>
		<dc:creator>Audio Switch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i can say is that abortion is a sin and it should be deemed illegal by all means &#039;:.</description>
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		<title>By: Do You Blog For Yourself or Your Readers? &#171;</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-210899</link>
		<dc:creator>Do You Blog For Yourself or Your Readers? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the topic of abortion and romance came up over at Dear Author. This inspired Laura Vivanco to post more generally on politics in romance at Teach Me Tonight, but [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Southern Fried Chicas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Snips and Snails and Puppy Dog &#8220;TALES&#8221;&#8230; no, that&#8217;s not a typo&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209877</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Fried Chicas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Snips and Snails and Puppy Dog &#8220;TALES&#8221;&#8230; no, that&#8217;s not a typo&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dear author had a poll this past Monday about abortions in romance. This got me thinking about contraception. Do your heroes wear raincoats? Are your heroines on the pill? Would you have an issue with a heroine who takes a Morning After pill after having sex with the hero? Could you accept a heroine who has an abortion DURING the story (not backstory). She wasn&#8217;t raped, in fact, the baby belongs to our valiant hero and he wanted the child.  What say you? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dear author had a poll this past Monday about abortions in romance. This got me thinking about contraception. Do your heroes wear raincoats? Are your heroines on the pill? Would you have an issue with a heroine who takes a Morning After pill after having sex with the hero? Could you accept a heroine who has an abortion DURING the story (not backstory). She wasn&#8217;t raped, in fact, the baby belongs to our valiant hero and he wanted the child.  What say you? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What NOT to Write: 10 Ways to Commit Romance Novel Suicide</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209570</link>
		<dc:creator>What NOT to Write: 10 Ways to Commit Romance Novel Suicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example, some of theÂ strongest taboos I know of are about sex and pregnancy. Abortions and morning after pills are still unheard of in novels, though times might be changing. We will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SonomaLass</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209507</link>
		<dc:creator>SonomaLass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also love to see it done well, and I think there are authors who could handle it believably.  I just don&#039;t expect it to happen, because of the marketing issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also love to see it done well, and I think there are authors who could handle it believably.  I just don&#8217;t expect it to happen, because of the marketing issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynz</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209505</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be game for it if it were written well. As many people have said, it&#039;s a serious and controversial issue. While I am personally against abortion, one of the things I enjoy about reading is that I can push my boundaries and look at things from other points of view. 

The problem is that I doubt it would be done well. While &lt;strong&gt;Maili&lt;/strong&gt;&#039;s earlier example sounds amazing - I want to read that! the heroine sounds cool! (apart from falling for her rapist, that is) - I rarely feel that the serious issues which sporadically appear in romance are dealt with properly. Rape, for example: as &lt;strong&gt;krysilove&lt;/strong&gt; mentioned, I&#039;ve seen it pop up and be dealt with horribly. Even worse are the oldies where she has &quot;healing sex&quot; with the hero right after someone else rapes her and suddenly everything&#039;s all better! Yippee! *snorts* Yeah, right. Then there are stories where the heroine&#039;s miscarried but it doesn&#039;t change her at all, except that every now and then she feels a bit sad but it&#039;s okay because she&#039;ll have another baby one day! Yes, these do exist; I&#039;ve seen several.

Basically, I&#039;d love to see it done well, but that&#039;s probably not going to happen anytime soon. So it&#039;s both a yes and a no from me - yes, it should be written about, yet no, it shouldn&#039;t, all at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be game for it if it were written well. As many people have said, it&#8217;s a serious and controversial issue. While I am personally against abortion, one of the things I enjoy about reading is that I can push my boundaries and look at things from other points of view. </p>
<p>The problem is that I doubt it would be done well. While <strong>Maili</strong>&#8216;s earlier example sounds amazing &#8211; I want to read that! the heroine sounds cool! (apart from falling for her rapist, that is) &#8211; I rarely feel that the serious issues which sporadically appear in romance are dealt with properly. Rape, for example: as <strong>krysilove</strong> mentioned, I&#8217;ve seen it pop up and be dealt with horribly. Even worse are the oldies where she has &#8220;healing sex&#8221; with the hero right after someone else rapes her and suddenly everything&#8217;s all better! Yippee! *snorts* Yeah, right. Then there are stories where the heroine&#8217;s miscarried but it doesn&#8217;t change her at all, except that every now and then she feels a bit sad but it&#8217;s okay because she&#8217;ll have another baby one day! Yes, these do exist; I&#8217;ve seen several.</p>
<p>Basically, I&#8217;d love to see it done well, but that&#8217;s probably not going to happen anytime soon. So it&#8217;s both a yes and a no from me &#8211; yes, it should be written about, yet no, it shouldn&#8217;t, all at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Caligi</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209504</link>
		<dc:creator>Caligi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it a taboo at all. It&#039;s a risky plot device, for sure, but it would be unfair for something women choose to do legally to be a taboo subject for books written by, for and featuring women.

Women have abortions and they have any number of reactions to them based on their upbringing. Certainly a past abortion could be an acceptable part of a heroine&#039;s backstory. I wouldn&#039;t place any sort of restrictions on how it should be treated either. I am certain that it may certainly have been a total non-issue for some women, while being a source of devastating guilt for others. The heroine&#039;s reaction or non-reaction to it would say a lot about her, as would the hero&#039;s reactions to the act, and her reaction, say much about him.

I would only object to its use if it was used to shout the author&#039;s opinion of abortion. Pro-life or pro-choice, I don&#039;t want to be hit over the head a la Aslan in Narnia. (ZOMG THE LION REPRESENTS CHRIST, TELL A FRIEND)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it a taboo at all. It&#8217;s a risky plot device, for sure, but it would be unfair for something women choose to do legally to be a taboo subject for books written by, for and featuring women.</p>
<p>Women have abortions and they have any number of reactions to them based on their upbringing. Certainly a past abortion could be an acceptable part of a heroine&#8217;s backstory. I wouldn&#8217;t place any sort of restrictions on how it should be treated either. I am certain that it may certainly have been a total non-issue for some women, while being a source of devastating guilt for others. The heroine&#8217;s reaction or non-reaction to it would say a lot about her, as would the hero&#8217;s reactions to the act, and her reaction, say much about him.</p>
<p>I would only object to its use if it was used to shout the author&#8217;s opinion of abortion. Pro-life or pro-choice, I don&#8217;t want to be hit over the head a la Aslan in Narnia. (ZOMG THE LION REPRESENTS CHRIST, TELL A FRIEND)</p>
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		<title>By: krysilove</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209499</link>
		<dc:creator>krysilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends. I say it depends because I cannot imagine an author giving the subject the weight it deserves without dragging the story completely under. Of course if they made too light of it I would probably throw the book at the wall. Like some of the other posters said, if this was included there would absolutely need to be a reason for it. This could not just be mentioned on page 100 and then never make any impact on the heroine. I have seen that happen with rape victims and that always takes me out of the book. Also it cannot happen during the falling in love stage. A flashback...yes, but something she decides to do after a night of love with the hero...please no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends. I say it depends because I cannot imagine an author giving the subject the weight it deserves without dragging the story completely under. Of course if they made too light of it I would probably throw the book at the wall. Like some of the other posters said, if this was included there would absolutely need to be a reason for it. This could not just be mentioned on page 100 and then never make any impact on the heroine. I have seen that happen with rape victims and that always takes me out of the book. Also it cannot happen during the falling in love stage. A flashback&#8230;yes, but something she decides to do after a night of love with the hero&#8230;please no.</p>
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		<title>By: Taboo Topics in Romance &#38; Genre Expectations &#124; Monkey Bear Reviews</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209404</link>
		<dc:creator>Taboo Topics in Romance &#38; Genre Expectations &#124; Monkey Bear Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Dear Author has a poll about abortion in romance. She asks: Is Abortion Acceptable for a Heroine in a Romance? Responding to the number of poll participants who voted &#8220;No&#8221;, Karen Scott wonders if [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lynne Connolly</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209350</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne Connolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen - you rock.

I would write an abortion into a book if it served the book and the character. Like everything else, I don&#039;t want to force my opinions and views on the characters. I have a book planned out which features an abortion doctor being threatened by extremists, but I haven&#039;t had time to write it yet, and it would be a little different to my usual fare.

Historically, abortions were extremely dangerous, but then, so was childbirth. I think most women who found themselves pregnant tended to go away to have the baby and then return to their usual haunts, having dumped the baby on the way. The poor would have the baby, because after the infant turned five, it was a potential earner and could be put to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen &#8211; you rock.</p>
<p>I would write an abortion into a book if it served the book and the character. Like everything else, I don&#8217;t want to force my opinions and views on the characters. I have a book planned out which features an abortion doctor being threatened by extremists, but I haven&#8217;t had time to write it yet, and it would be a little different to my usual fare.</p>
<p>Historically, abortions were extremely dangerous, but then, so was childbirth. I think most women who found themselves pregnant tended to go away to have the baby and then return to their usual haunts, having dumped the baby on the way. The poor would have the baby, because after the infant turned five, it was a potential earner and could be put to work.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209332</link>
		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had to speak up on the statistics of abortion vs. adoption and the emotional toll. Not a fair comparison, because I would assume women who decide to give up their children for adoption do so because they recognize that &#039;clump of cells&#039; as a baby and want to give it the best life possible, regardless of their own life circumstances at the time. Of course this kind of woman would have more emotional repercussions for her decision...I&#039;m assuming this person would want to keep her own child, if it were possible.

I&#039;m going with the theory that women who go through abortions have justified in their mind the &#039;clump of cells&#039; theory to deal with it in the least emotional way. To get rid of any guilt or bad personal feelings about themselves. The &#039;my body, my choice&#039; argument is a good way to cover up what is really happening: the ending of life. 

Just to give MY personal experience with this issue. A good friend from many years ago made some bad choices, ended up pregnant, was afraid what her parents might think of her, never told them and had an abortion. She was 21. She confessed this to me one evening 3 or 4 years later and was clearly emotionally distraught, asked what I thought of her, and seemed to be looking for some kind of absolution. It was terrible and sad. And something I will never forget. Those types of personal experiences speak louder than any statistics someone throws at me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had to speak up on the statistics of abortion vs. adoption and the emotional toll. Not a fair comparison, because I would assume women who decide to give up their children for adoption do so because they recognize that &#8216;clump of cells&#8217; as a baby and want to give it the best life possible, regardless of their own life circumstances at the time. Of course this kind of woman would have more emotional repercussions for her decision&#8230;I&#8217;m assuming this person would want to keep her own child, if it were possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going with the theory that women who go through abortions have justified in their mind the &#8216;clump of cells&#8217; theory to deal with it in the least emotional way. To get rid of any guilt or bad personal feelings about themselves. The &#8216;my body, my choice&#8217; argument is a good way to cover up what is really happening: the ending of life. </p>
<p>Just to give MY personal experience with this issue. A good friend from many years ago made some bad choices, ended up pregnant, was afraid what her parents might think of her, never told them and had an abortion. She was 21. She confessed this to me one evening 3 or 4 years later and was clearly emotionally distraught, asked what I thought of her, and seemed to be looking for some kind of absolution. It was terrible and sad. And something I will never forget. Those types of personal experiences speak louder than any statistics someone throws at me.</p>
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		<title>By: AndreaS</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/poll-misc/is-abortion-taboo-in-romance/#comment-209327</link>
		<dc:creator>AndreaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I ended up answering No. For two reasons: Firstly, I have strong feelings on the subject. Which means I&#039;d have a hard time if the author didn&#039;t agree with me or even if the author&#039;s views felt preachy. Secondly, I was reading the question and thinking about the story. I don&#039;t want to read a book that has someone getting an abortion in the middle.

But I do have to agree that I don&#039;t have problems with heroines who have had abortions (although I also dislike it being a DEEP DARK SECRET!). And I don&#039;t have a problem with it being a viable option. If having a baby will ruin your life, why shouldn&#039;t you consider all your possible options? But I don&#039;t really want to read about it. It&#039;s such a serious issue to me that I don&#039;t think it would fit well in my happy romances. 

But as always, there might be times when I&#039;m proven wrong. I won&#039;t say it&#039;s impossible, but I&#039;ll probably never pick it up if I think there is an abortion in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I ended up answering No. For two reasons: Firstly, I have strong feelings on the subject. Which means I&#8217;d have a hard time if the author didn&#8217;t agree with me or even if the author&#8217;s views felt preachy. Secondly, I was reading the question and thinking about the story. I don&#8217;t want to read a book that has someone getting an abortion in the middle.</p>
<p>But I do have to agree that I don&#8217;t have problems with heroines who have had abortions (although I also dislike it being a DEEP DARK SECRET!). And I don&#8217;t have a problem with it being a viable option. If having a baby will ruin your life, why shouldn&#8217;t you consider all your possible options? But I don&#8217;t really want to read about it. It&#8217;s such a serious issue to me that I don&#8217;t think it would fit well in my happy romances. </p>
<p>But as always, there might be times when I&#8217;m proven wrong. I won&#8217;t say it&#8217;s impossible, but I&#8217;ll probably never pick it up if I think there is an abortion in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sad!  That a woman would say that a clump of cells is nothing.  Funny that that&#039;s how she started out too.  And no, it&#039;s not just the womans&#039; body, there&#039;s another little body inside her.  Must be getting easier to know there are thousands of babies daily being torn apart, burned, and stabbed with scissors in the head for any little reason.  Yes they are babies.  I&#039;ve never seen a mother to be wearing a t-shirt that says, &quot;I&#039;m having a fetus!&quot;  Out of sight, out of mind!  We&#039;re knee deep in innocent babies&#039; blood in this country but all that seems to matter is the supposed primacy of a woman&#039;s body.  Oh the irony, that only a live person can decide who sits at the table of life.  If that&#039;s not playing God, I don&#039;t know what is.  I guess by this you can tell that no, I do not want to read about this in my romances, and no, I do not want to know the author&#039;s views either, especially if they do not respect life.  And no, I&#039;m not angry, just extremely sad that life means so little anymore if it&#039;s in the way of a persons plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad!  That a woman would say that a clump of cells is nothing.  Funny that that&#8217;s how she started out too.  And no, it&#8217;s not just the womans&#8217; body, there&#8217;s another little body inside her.  Must be getting easier to know there are thousands of babies daily being torn apart, burned, and stabbed with scissors in the head for any little reason.  Yes they are babies.  I&#8217;ve never seen a mother to be wearing a t-shirt that says, &#8220;I&#8217;m having a fetus!&#8221;  Out of sight, out of mind!  We&#8217;re knee deep in innocent babies&#8217; blood in this country but all that seems to matter is the supposed primacy of a woman&#8217;s body.  Oh the irony, that only a live person can decide who sits at the table of life.  If that&#8217;s not playing God, I don&#8217;t know what is.  I guess by this you can tell that no, I do not want to read about this in my romances, and no, I do not want to know the author&#8217;s views either, especially if they do not respect life.  And no, I&#8217;m not angry, just extremely sad that life means so little anymore if it&#8217;s in the way of a persons plans.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-209229&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CD&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;As other people have mentioned, there&#039;s the old adage that â€œpersonal is politicalâ€. Woman being able to sleep with, marry and have non-dependent relationships with whoever they want, AND end happily is in fact intensely political. There are many countries in the world where the idea at the heart of all romance novels is an â€œalien world systemâ€.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I get what you&#039;re saying, but I don&#039;t want to read about that.  I want it to be invisible background.  I&#039;ve never really cared for the star-crossed lovers plot.  And if Lady Y has to marry Lord X because they were caught in a compromising situation, I don&#039;t want a story about how unjust and unenlightened this is; I want a story about how they deal with the situation and fall in love.  [I can actually think of a star-crossed lovers plot that worked well because the &quot;personal politics&quot; were contextual - Devilish.]

Issue/message plots just remind me of all the depressing, preachy YA novels that were around when I was growing up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;if it makes sense in the context of the characters and plot, then hell yeah, go for it &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with that.   Maybe what we&#039;re talking about is how difficult this is to get right.  A controversial issue in a book runs the risk of becoming the book&#039;s focus and dominating the relationship development.  MJP&#039;s The Burning Point relied heavily on an issue and there was much disagreement over how she dealt with it.

The reason random politics (with no purpose but to swat at an opposing belief) can derail a story is because they break the suspension of disbelief.  That&#039;s what happened to me in the story I initially commented about.  My disbelief came back on and never went off again so I was very skeptical through the rest of the story.</description>
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<blockquote>As other people have mentioned, there&#39;s the old adage that â€œpersonal is politicalâ€. Woman being able to sleep with, marry and have non-dependent relationships with whoever they want, AND end happily is in fact intensely political. There are many countries in the world where the idea at the heart of all romance novels is an â€œalien world systemâ€.</p></blockquote>
<p>I get what you&#8217;re saying, but I don&#8217;t want to read about that.  I want it to be invisible background.  I&#8217;ve never really cared for the star-crossed lovers plot.  And if Lady Y has to marry Lord X because they were caught in a compromising situation, I don&#8217;t want a story about how unjust and unenlightened this is; I want a story about how they deal with the situation and fall in love.  [I can actually think of a star-crossed lovers plot that worked well because the "personal politics" were contextual - Devilish.]</p>
<p>Issue/message plots just remind me of all the depressing, preachy YA novels that were around when I was growing up.</p>
<blockquote><p>if it makes sense in the context of the characters and plot, then hell yeah, go for it </p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with that.   Maybe what we&#8217;re talking about is how difficult this is to get right.  A controversial issue in a book runs the risk of becoming the book&#8217;s focus and dominating the relationship development.  MJP&#8217;s The Burning Point relied heavily on an issue and there was much disagreement over how she dealt with it.</p>
<p>The reason random politics (with no purpose but to swat at an opposing belief) can derail a story is because they break the suspension of disbelief.  That&#8217;s what happened to me in the story I initially commented about.  My disbelief came back on and never went off again so I was very skeptical through the rest of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@suburbanbeatnik

Thanks- I&#039;m glad you liked my comment! In regards to early modern sexual practices, the seminal (no pun intended) work is Thomas Laqueur&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Making Sex&lt;/em&gt;; Laqueur turns up fascinating evidence of early modern biological beliefs (including the belief that the female reproductive system was merely an inverted version of the male, and therefore if a woman exercised too hard, her penis could fall out). I also highly recommend James G. Turner&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Libertines and Radicals in Early Modern England&lt;/em&gt;; he does an amazing job of culling together all kinds of strange sexual beliefs and practices. Elizabeth Foyster, Tim Hitchcock, and Thomas King are also excellent scholars.

If you&#039;re interested in the history of homosexuality, take a look at Randolph Trumbach&#039;s amazing body of work. Bruce Smith, Alan Bray, and Jonathan Goldberg are also quite good.</description>
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<p>Thanks- I&#8217;m glad you liked my comment! In regards to early modern sexual practices, the seminal (no pun intended) work is Thomas Laqueur&#8217;s <em>Making Sex</em>; Laqueur turns up fascinating evidence of early modern biological beliefs (including the belief that the female reproductive system was merely an inverted version of the male, and therefore if a woman exercised too hard, her penis could fall out). I also highly recommend James G. Turner&#8217;s <em>Libertines and Radicals in Early Modern England</em>; he does an amazing job of culling together all kinds of strange sexual beliefs and practices. Elizabeth Foyster, Tim Hitchcock, and Thomas King are also excellent scholars.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in the history of homosexuality, take a look at Randolph Trumbach&#8217;s amazing body of work. Bruce Smith, Alan Bray, and Jonathan Goldberg are also quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: CD</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Really though, I&#039;m not interested in any world system - past, present or future. I&#039;m interested in interpersonal relationships, particularly ones that resolve happily; and if an author&#039;s world system starts eclipsing the relationship, it&#039;s no longer a romance to me. It&#039;s some other genre.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As other people have mentioned, there&#039;s the old adage that &quot;personal is political&quot;.  Woman being able to sleep with, marry and have non-dependent relationships with whoever they want, AND end happily is in fact intensely political.  There are many countries in the world where the idea at the heart of all romance novels is an &quot;alien world system&quot;.  

I don&#039;t mean to say that controversial political issues should be brought up just for the hell of it - I can&#039;t think of anything more tedious than having an author use her novel as a sounding board.  But if there&#039;s a good reason for it and if it makes sense in the context of the characters and plot, then hell yeah, go for it. 

And I&#039;ve read plenty of romances where the author clearly has a different political slant than I do, and still enjoyed them.  I love Linda Howard for one but would definitely have loads &quot;to discuss&quot; were we to meet in a political forum.  I even enjoyed &quot;24&quot; before it went off the rails and that definitely has somewhat questionable politics in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Really though, I&#39;m not interested in any world system &#8211; past, present or future. I&#39;m interested in interpersonal relationships, particularly ones that resolve happily; and if an author&#39;s world system starts eclipsing the relationship, it&#39;s no longer a romance to me. It&#39;s some other genre.</p></blockquote>
<p>As other people have mentioned, there&#8217;s the old adage that &#8220;personal is political&#8221;.  Woman being able to sleep with, marry and have non-dependent relationships with whoever they want, AND end happily is in fact intensely political.  There are many countries in the world where the idea at the heart of all romance novels is an &#8220;alien world system&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to say that controversial political issues should be brought up just for the hell of it &#8211; I can&#8217;t think of anything more tedious than having an author use her novel as a sounding board.  But if there&#8217;s a good reason for it and if it makes sense in the context of the characters and plot, then hell yeah, go for it. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve read plenty of romances where the author clearly has a different political slant than I do, and still enjoyed them.  I love Linda Howard for one but would definitely have loads &#8220;to discuss&#8221; were we to meet in a political forum.  I even enjoyed &#8220;24&#8243; before it went off the rails and that definitely has somewhat questionable politics in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: suburbanbeatnik</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@reader 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes the emotional repercussions don&#039;t hit you until years later...or after you have decided that you are ready to be a parent. I have to say your statement just makes me sad....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dear reader, I know this is a touchy subject, but please try not to judge other people here.  

@Jen, your comment rocked.  Do you have any specific books you&#039;d recommend about sexual practices in the 17th-18th centuries? I&#039;m not interested in the 19th century, but I&#039;ve been studying the early modern period a lot, and I could always do with a few more recommendations.</description>
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<blockquote><p>Sometimes the emotional repercussions don&#39;t hit you until years later&#8230;or after you have decided that you are ready to be a parent. I have to say your statement just makes me sad&#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dear reader, I know this is a touchy subject, but please try not to judge other people here.  </p>
<p>@Jen, your comment rocked.  Do you have any specific books you&#8217;d recommend about sexual practices in the 17th-18th centuries? I&#8217;m not interested in the 19th century, but I&#8217;ve been studying the early modern period a lot, and I could always do with a few more recommendations.</p>
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		<title>By: ldb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-209053&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jen&lt;/a&gt;: 

I;d be lieign if I said I was basing anything off accounts based on sexuality, a topic I&#039;ll definatly deffer to you on, as you are well researched, my understanding comes from the letters and older writings of the periods I&#039;ve have been able to read. So clearly you are the more knowledgeable on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-209053" rel="nofollow">Jen</a>: </p>
<p>I;d be lieign if I said I was basing anything off accounts based on sexuality, a topic I&#8217;ll definatly deffer to you on, as you are well researched, my understanding comes from the letters and older writings of the periods I&#8217;ve have been able to read. So clearly you are the more knowledgeable on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: ldb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to those who make refrence to the evil ex, the reason she&#039;s so easily characterized as being evil is not because hse had an abortion, but because she did it knowing that the hero would have wanted the child/ Yeah, legaly &quot;her body her choice,&quot;  but acting on that without consulting the person who also has a claim to the &quot;child&quot; doesn&#039;t make her a good person. After all child or bunch of cells, it was made as much by the hero as the ex, a reasonable adultwho isn&#039;t selfish would at least talk to the hero about it. But as for it being a general attack on a woman who chose to do it that weren&#039;t in a realtionship ro who are told to go screw by a man it;s not. 

After all there are plenty of &quot;you&#039;ll just have to have an abortion&quot; comments by hero&#039;s who want no strings attached affairs, and I don&#039;t see people saying anyhting about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to those who make refrence to the evil ex, the reason she&#8217;s so easily characterized as being evil is not because hse had an abortion, but because she did it knowing that the hero would have wanted the child/ Yeah, legaly &#8220;her body her choice,&#8221;  but acting on that without consulting the person who also has a claim to the &#8220;child&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make her a good person. After all child or bunch of cells, it was made as much by the hero as the ex, a reasonable adultwho isn&#8217;t selfish would at least talk to the hero about it. But as for it being a general attack on a woman who chose to do it that weren&#8217;t in a realtionship ro who are told to go screw by a man it;s not. </p>
<p>After all there are plenty of &#8220;you&#8217;ll just have to have an abortion&#8221; comments by hero&#8217;s who want no strings attached affairs, and I don&#8217;t see people saying anyhting about that.</p>
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