If you truly don’t care, as you say you do–then don’t click on this site again.

It’s over, just turn your back on this thread and go write.

Readers will please pay ever so very close attention to what has been said before (& LONG before) my message as well as what comes after it? (I will send only today … I will not say more to make every one’s head ache even worse ! LOL). It will not show you what is happening if you skate over your reading ! b/c all in basic is already told on this page ! More will help answer the cloudier questions but continue to listen, but not just “to hear”.

I have long thought, and am sorry it is time for this rant added to other people’s rants, but it is time. Now I know Ja(y)nes’ readers need to know … & are heart felt wanted to know by people who care about other people’s safety (& I think that all the Ja(y)nes really care) ! This humble post comes from my deepest within too & is not a mean flame or a crazy joke ! It is instead love & prayed hope for all community safety and family.

Here were very easy directions to follow if you hope to find a part of truth in this loud & over tired yelling … what the web site hope to do for every one. I hope it was not an insult to tell every one what to do & I only said because I got a maddened feeling like every one was getting taken away from the subject in the insulting (& also having competition of words with no real discussion some times !).

Thanks All !, & Happy New Years’ To Hard Working Ja(y)nes, Et Al ! =)

by Becca Abbott December 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm Reply to this comment

How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you'll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation -’ as if I had any control over your behavior.

What are you talking about? I know of only one or two individuals who were not refunded before Yaoi Underground went bankrupt. Forward me these “emails” so I can deal with them.

You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse,

How was I screwing over anyone when you all plotted together to have Harial publish your books rather than me?

broke into personal email accounts,

granted. And I found exactly what I was looking for.

openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior,

You’ve got to be kidding. Defending myself when others insulted and spat upon ME is a crime?

did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition

What in the world are you talking about??? Be specific!

, made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you,

The only thing I accused anyone of was THE TRUTH, how Harial, Tyler and Vanessa wanted to “trick me” into signing away my rights, mistaking my mental illness for stupidity, apparently.

spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note -’ the list is really quite impressive.

How did that hurt anyone but me? I almost DIED THAT NIGHT!

Now, suddenly, you're back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression,

What’s that supposed to mean? I can’t talk about my faith?

trying to rewrite history,

How am I trying to rewrite history, Becca?

making claims for your business you can't support, and so on.

Excuse me, what claims? And what does “and so on” mean?

I agree with others: this isn't your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I'd wish you good luck but….nah.

Now that you’re finished insulting me, I’m still waiting to hear how I hurt anyone?

How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

Well, by not giving out the refunds, for one. I think if you look in your email box you’ll find that at least one of those people has just emailed you about precisely that. I have saved the emails of others you shafted who wrote to me in desperation — as if I had any control over your behavior.

You also spent a considerable amount of time and energy screwing over the authors who were contracted with Yaoihouse, broke into personal email accounts, openly belittled and insulted anyone who objected to or criticized your behavior, did your best to intimidate and harass individuals you felt were competition, made wild accusations of dastardly plots against you, spammed this very blog with your so-called suicide note — the list is really quite impressive.

Now, suddenly, you’re back, posting like mad, doing your Kira Morningstar impression, trying to rewrite history, making claims for your business you can’t support, and so on. I agree with others: this isn’t your usual rampant narcissism. It sounds like mania to me. I’d wish you good luck but….nah.

Kira, I didn't ask discussion to come to a halt. Everyone here is free to discuss this until the cows come home. I merely asked those posting inflaming comments to consider their words, and to what purpose they're posting.

Well then. When you put it that way, I think what you say is very wise. How easy it is to forget that a real live person is on the other side of the screen. Because, despite what Cathy says, I do not think this is a game.

Cathy and Yukiko and others, I'd like to add my plea to Ann's. While we rarely censor people and try to always allow them to speak their minds, please do consider what's going on here, and that this has degenerated into something other than a discussion that serves any good purpose.

Interesting how only when I finally come on the board to defend myself does the discussion suddenly have to stop.

The thing with you, is you think its a game. you are a horrible person and you use an illness as a way to get by in life.

Gee, you’re a really swell human being, too. You know what? Even though you said such a terrible thing to me, at least this time you acknowledged that I’m a human being. So I’ve gone up a notch in your eyes.

What do you mean I “use illness as a way to get by in life”? I’ve never heard anything so absurd. My illness is what makes it difficult for me to get by, not my crutch! Can you really be that ignorant about the subject?

Kira, my post isn't about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

Interesting. You quoted me and then announced I was mentally ill. I guess that was just the openers to your article.

However, if you had read the post below that, you'd see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It's not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

I know that. However you certainly never gave me credit before–you even doubted that I was bipolar. Why the sudden change?

My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

I just decided I’m going to put an end to the lies you all post on this site, so I will be answering every single accusation posted here. I’ve been to the doctor, thank you, and she agrees I am well.

Just because I care about your soul doesn’t make mean I’m having a psychological episode.

Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you're being vicious. There's nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who's sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

Um, I’m not going through any crisis, here. Just not letting any more ridiculous posts go through to this site without calling people out. If you all are allowed to accuse me of whatever comes to mind, I am allowed to defend myself.

However, your concern for the mentally ill is…commendable, and truly touching. *wipes tear from eye* Let me guess. You finally got a diagnosis yourself so you’ve changed your view on my situation.

Sarcasm aside, I’m glad you do understand, though I’m sorry if you experience such torment yourself.

“arguing over the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded”

You think by responding to everyone’s post that you are winning? That boasting about business and a home your are special? Trust me you’re not, Dear. You said that you would not be replying to the thread anymore, yet you do lol.
You seem to be losing plenty of sleep over this forum. Please try not to have another mania attack, even though there wouldnt be much of a difference at this point

I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness.

Kira, my post isn’t about you, and in fact I tried to stop it pinging back for that reason.

However, if you had read the post below that, you’d see me freely admitting to being mentally ill myself. It’s not a cause for shame any more than having cancer or kidney disease is.

My position is that your posts in the last 24 hours – the religiosity, the frequency, the paranoia – reveal you are going through some kind of psychological episode, and you really need to go back to your doctor. Really, really, really.

Cathy and the others, stop it. Seriously, you’re being vicious. There’s nothing remotely admirable about poking fun at someone who’s sick, or trying to win an argument with someone going through a mental health crisis.

wow you are a nut

? That’s it? That’s the best you can come up with? *looks at watch* Go ahead, I’ve got time. See if you can come up with something more intelligent to say than that.

In both cases, the assumption is that the motivation is to damage someone's livelihood, when in reality, it's to expose unprofessional behaviour that's hurting other people. Kira's mentally ill.

Being mentally ill is not unprofessional behavior; it is an illness, the same as cancer or diabetes. I hope you feel proud of yourself for “exposing” my mental illness. It wasn’t actually necessary, since everyone already knew I was bipolar.

How was I “hurting” other people, other than making them apply for refunds?

Whether or not you intended to destroy my livelihood, I don’t know: the fact of the matter is that you failed utterly to do so. I do not, in fact, have a “failed business”, I have a thriving business.

Please, keep writing about me, I love the free advertising!

Saying that capitalizing is a proven manic behavior is like saying depressed people always cut off their ears.

I didn’t say that capitalizing was a proven manic behavior. Stop twisting my words.

Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won't criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don't belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it's just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

Not only have I taken logic, one of my husbands taught it. But Satan has nothing to do with logic. Good and evil are absolute truths, not logical arguments. I did not literally mean that the site is “possessed”, but Satan is indeed here. Anger, malice, envy, cruelty, arrogance, pride, rudeness, contempt–all these come from him, and this page abounds with examples. I wasn’t using Satan “as an argument,” I was simply stating a fact: HE IS HERE.

If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and accept him as your Savior, you belong to Satan. The Scriptures are very clear on this, as well as what your fate is: you will be judged by our Almighty God after your death and then tormented forever in hell, the place prepared for Satan and his angels. I would not wish such a fate on even my worst enemy or the cruelest poster on this page. Whether or not you “believe” this is true will not matter–that is your fate if you refuse to acknowledge that Christ is the Lord.

Conversely, if you accept Jesus and obey his teachings, you will have eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Scriptures are very clear about that, too.

I could not let this opportunity pass without making that important point clear. In fact, it is the most important thing that has been said on this site.

You'll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone.

I pick C, care less, since you obviously have no concrete accusations.

This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I've changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can't claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

I’m sorry, what actions? I have no idea what you’re referring to.

What I've gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

Again, what are you talking about? What actions? You’re not making any sense. As far as “convincing” people that I have changed, why would I want to do that? I haven’t done anything intentionally wrong. I can’t help that I was ill for awhile. I only gave a blanket “apology” to anyone who might have been inconvenienced, in order to be friendly, not because I felt like I did anything wrong.

Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

Again, what actions? You perplex me. How are my actions suspect? What actions? As for accepting my success, I do accept it, and I deserve it, though I admit I have been more successful than even I ever dreamed. However, I see no reason to allow folks to continue to post about me without calling them out. So from here on out, that is what I will do. I suspect most of you are cowards and hiding behind aliases because you don’t dare accuse me to my face, like Lafayette.

Accusing the site to be possessed of Satan is irrational. I won’t criticize your religion because everyone is entitled, but using it as an argument against people who don’t belong to the same beliefs is irrational and if you have taken any lessons in logic you should know it’s just bad protocol in terms of making a point.

“Nothing better to do” is a little harsh. I simply check my email. It takes less than five minutes to respond. I am at my computer for the majority of my day.

Those that speak up because of their ‘imaginary books’ or whatever are just as entitled to do so as you clearly feel you are. They were involved in the Yaoi House LLC which is in truth what this site is about, not just you.

I never said anything about you overlooking flattering comments. You assuming that was what I meant is only supportive of my claim that your actions are conceited. There are comments here that are neither flattering or derogatory. Critical opinions are not derogatory, by the way. Derogatory is a term usually reserved for intentionally disrespectful abuse. The aim of the commentary on this site is not for or against you. The original post is a review on the Yaoi House LLC, actions committed by it, (in which you were obviously a very involved party), and opinions of the poster on what they mean. People afterward either agreed or disagreed, had further questions concerning these events, and gave answers to those that had questions.

Thinking that all that is about bashing you is conceited. I don’t really think I can be more clear about that but take it as you will, look for flaws in my argument and take it apart to make yourself look better. It’s not like it’s an uncommon behavior online to do so, I doubt anyone would find it unexpected.

Since this site is not something I spend countless hours on, I feel no need to re-read the entire thing every time I want to pick out an example of something I am saying. You’ll either have to take my vague comments in stride, figure it out yourself, or care less what I have to say and leave it alone. (Of course you could take the other option of criticizing me, but I think that would be in poor favor, because I have not insulted you, only questioned the nature of your actions.)

While I don’t care about you, that is not to say that I am not affected by your actions. I do not dislike you enough to ignore you, or wish you ill. I would not though, be influenced to do something that inconvenienced me for your sake, which is what I mean in terms of caring.

There are many people (if you read from the top) that are not haters, there are quite a few visitors that have just had honest questions to those who did have experience with the purchasing of your materials. There are both disappointed parties and satisfied ones.

I don’t understand why you would say my presence is obsessive. You have certainly posted here more times than I.

I do not think that it is strange for you to come here and say your piece, but the fact that you feel the need to claim a lot of your success is due to this site really feels like you’re trying to thumb your nose at the people here. I don’t understand the purpose if not to gloat that you’ve succeeded despite what you perceived as attempts to bring you down. This site is a consequence of your actions. You cannot say I am sorry, or I’ve changed, and expect that the blemishes caused by the past will always just disappear. I can’t claim that it is indeed what you are expecting, but it sure seems that way to me.

What I’ve gathered from what people have posted here after the whole incidents that started this were over, is that your current and continued actions are not convincing them that you have changed. I think it would be safe to say that there are people who have in mind the boy who cried wolf.

Words will not prove you a better Kira than before, it is your actions that will do so, and it is the opinion of this poster that your actions are suspect. It is also my opinion that you would do better to just accept your success as it were, and leave well enough alone.

Being manic would in no way make you type in caps. I have no idea how you would get the notion that you can actually tell someones mood from typed conversation. Such things are infamous for being misleading.

I repeat: you obviously have no useful experience with someone who is manic. Mania causes intense excitement and convoluted, stream-of-consciousness styled communication. Hence my warning to look for a post “without periods”. You can most certainly tell, at least sometimes, from a person’s speech and written word whether they are in a manic state or not.

I think what it is, is that no one here can believe anyone would say anything in my defense, since this is the We Hate Kira page. So they therefore think it must be Kira in disguise.

This is just blatantly untrue. Your taking the opinions and words of just a few that post here and attributing it to the whole. Things like this are what convince people you may be manic. It's a gross exaggeration.

How would someone making a gross exaggeration in any way mean that person was manic? Again, do some research on the subject before you make unfounded proclamations. My characterization of this page is certainly fair. The majority of posts here attack me, plain and simple. Therefore it is fair to say this is an Anti-Kira page.

To take only the comments that are derogatory (Which isn't even half of them by the way) is conceited, and self centered.

This doesn’t even make sense. How would overlooking any flattering comments make me conceited and self-centered? I recommend you take a course in logic.

Many of us here don't even really care about you a fig. I certainly don't.

Then why on EARTH do you spend so much time here? Strange person!

I don't dislike you, but after coming here and having personal experiences (Not bashing, just personal experiences) related on buying stuff from your previous business setup, I made an informed decision not to buy your fiction.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please be specific rather than make veiled, vague accusations. And whether or not you purchase my fiction makes no difference to me. It still doesn’t explain your almost obsessive presence on this site.

It is a real pity, because I found what I could see of it without paying rather interesting. This has nothing to do with people hating you though, it is a fault of your own for at the time damaging the faith of your clients.

Nope. You’re wrong. There’s real hate here. Satan himself rules this page. And the majority of real haters aren’t clients, they are writers who haven’t read anything I’ve ever written, or else people like you who have nothing better to do and aren’t even involved, or else authors who had to make big, dramatic fusses about imaginary books they never even finished for Yaoi House, or else those who hoped to strike it rich when I initially appeared to abandon my enterprise and were disappointed when I took my stories back.

I have a very nice condo overlooking at lake.

Was this even necessary? I am confused by your need to say something that sounds so much like “Ha Ha, I'm doing well so ‘thhhhpppp'!”

Uh, no. Did you even read the post? I was making a point that I’m attributing part of my success to this page, since surely it can’t be my own fiction that has earned me so many new members.

Recently the only people coming here and starting up nonsense are some anti-anti-kira fanatics (or perhaps just bored flamers) who show up to say we're all stupid, and we should stop talking crap. Of course they ignore the fact that there hadn't been any posts in months, and they ignore pretty much all the context of the posts, so at least on my part I feel the need to disabuse them of their inconsistencies.

Try reading the bizarre recent post from “Cathy” — and I know no Cathys, by the way.

Maybe I shouldn't bother, but I like at least a good portion of the people that post semi-often here and I can't say that I don't like to hear and participate what they say.

So, because you have nothing better to do, you amuse yourself by posting on a board about a person you don’t even care about? Yeah, that makes sense.