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	<title>Comments on: Publisher Wins Arbitration Suit Against Author for a Return of an Advance</title>
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		<title>By: veinglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>veinglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then that is entirely fair.  The author signs the contract and should live up to the letter and spirit of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then that is entirely fair.  The author signs the contract and should live up to the letter and spirit of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the return is just for the book he never delivered then there is not issue. But that is not what this says: &lt;strong&gt;â€œthey&#039;re entitled to some of the advance on that first book they published because they didn&#039;t make as much money as they expected on it.â€&lt;/strong&gt; They are meant to have accurate expectations-and they wear the consequences when they don&#039;t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what the author is saying, not the publisher.

If you read the actual article, the publisher&#039;s reason for wanting that money is that he never gave them the second book.  They never mentioned how well (or poorly) his first book did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the return is just for the book he never delivered then there is not issue. But that is not what this says: <strong>â€œthey&#39;re entitled to some of the advance on that first book they published because they didn&#39;t make as much money as they expected on it.â€</strong> They are meant to have accurate expectations-and they wear the consequences when they don&#39;t.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what the author is saying, not the publisher.</p>
<p>If you read the actual article, the publisher&#8217;s reason for wanting that money is that he never gave them the second book.  They never mentioned how well (or poorly) his first book did.</p>
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		<title>By: veinglory</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/industry-news/publisher-wins-arbitration-suit-against-author-for-a-return-of-an-advance/#comment-151796</link>
		<dc:creator>veinglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the return is just for the book he never delivered then there is not issue.  But that is not what this says: &quot;they&#039;re entitled to some of the advance on that first book they published because they didn&#039;t make as much money as they expected on it.&quot;  They are meant to have accurate expectations--and they wear the consequences when they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the return is just for the book he never delivered then there is not issue.  But that is not what this says: &#8220;they&#39;re entitled to some of the advance on that first book they published because they didn&#39;t make as much money as they expected on it.&#8221;  They are meant to have accurate expectations&#8211;and they wear the consequences when they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it that the standard in the industry is to not get a return of the advance against royalties or is that contractual? Because I had heard that in the contract, the publisher has the right to ask for a return of whatever advance is not earned out but never does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not in my contracts.  The only reason my publisher would have recourse against my advance is if, as Nora says, I did not fulfill my obligation to produce a manuscript.  There is additional language about how a manuscript that isn&#039;t up-to-snuff would be handled, but it still doesn&#039;t include return of the advance.

The reason print authors receive advances is because of the time gap between contract and actual publication.  This was also why e-publishers rarely paid advances.  Most e-books were released within a few months of the execution of the contract.  However, now that release dates for e-books are taking longer, some e-publishers are paying advances, too.

Joint accounting--sometimes called basket accounting--can delay a writer seeing a dime in royalties until all books in the deal have been published and the returns calculated.  It also means that, even if Book A sold well, if Book B and/or C don&#039;t sell as well and you got an advance on the three-book deal, you may never get another farthing because all three books&#039; sales added together don&#039;t earn out the three-book advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it that the standard in the industry is to not get a return of the advance against royalties or is that contractual? Because I had heard that in the contract, the publisher has the right to ask for a return of whatever advance is not earned out but never does.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not in my contracts.  The only reason my publisher would have recourse against my advance is if, as Nora says, I did not fulfill my obligation to produce a manuscript.  There is additional language about how a manuscript that isn&#8217;t up-to-snuff would be handled, but it still doesn&#8217;t include return of the advance.</p>
<p>The reason print authors receive advances is because of the time gap between contract and actual publication.  This was also why e-publishers rarely paid advances.  Most e-books were released within a few months of the execution of the contract.  However, now that release dates for e-books are taking longer, some e-publishers are paying advances, too.</p>
<p>Joint accounting&#8211;sometimes called basket accounting&#8211;can delay a writer seeing a dime in royalties until all books in the deal have been published and the returns calculated.  It also means that, even if Book A sold well, if Book B and/or C don&#8217;t sell as well and you got an advance on the three-book deal, you may never get another farthing because all three books&#8217; sales added together don&#8217;t earn out the three-book advance.</p>
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		<title>By: S Andrew Swann</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Andrew Swann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It basically all depends on the contact language.  SOP is, as long as you deliver as promised in the contract, the advance is all yours even if the publisher doesn&#039;t make a dime in sales.  This is not to say that some publishers might stick in some language that specifies otherwise. . .

I suspect in this case, Nora is right, and the two books were joint accounted.  (Never heard of this practice until I sold a pair of books to Bantam and my agent had to negotiate the joint-accounting language &lt;strong&gt;out &lt;/strong&gt; of the contract.)  If that&#039;s the case, in essence, the author&#039;s on the same legal ground as someone who turned in half a novel and skipped on a single book contract.  But, again, a decently-worded contract will spell exactly what happens in the case of non-performance.  And if it says you give the whole advance back, you can&#039;t really fight that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It basically all depends on the contact language.  SOP is, as long as you deliver as promised in the contract, the advance is all yours even if the publisher doesn&#8217;t make a dime in sales.  This is not to say that some publishers might stick in some language that specifies otherwise. . .</p>
<p>I suspect in this case, Nora is right, and the two books were joint accounted.  (Never heard of this practice until I sold a pair of books to Bantam and my agent had to negotiate the joint-accounting language <strong>out </strong> of the contract.)  If that&#8217;s the case, in essence, the author&#8217;s on the same legal ground as someone who turned in half a novel and skipped on a single book contract.  But, again, a decently-worded contract will spell exactly what happens in the case of non-performance.  And if it says you give the whole advance back, you can&#8217;t really fight that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nora Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the books were joint accounted. I think this would mean if the guy didn&#039;t deliver the second book, which was joint accounted with book one, he reneged on the contract. The books may have been basketed together--a not uncommon practice, so that the advance and the royalties on book two were tied to the royalties earned by book one. 

It&#039;s complicated--we need an agent to explain it clearly.

But you don&#039;t turn in the book, the publisher can demand the advance back. 

Nora</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the books were joint accounted. I think this would mean if the guy didn&#8217;t deliver the second book, which was joint accounted with book one, he reneged on the contract. The books may have been basketed together&#8211;a not uncommon practice, so that the advance and the royalties on book two were tied to the royalties earned by book one. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s complicated&#8211;we need an agent to explain it clearly.</p>
<p>But you don&#8217;t turn in the book, the publisher can demand the advance back. </p>
<p>Nora</p>
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		<title>By: Jody W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane -- yes, it&#039;s industry standard that if an author fulfills contract terms but the book doesn&#039;t &quot;earn out&quot;, the author still gets to keep the whole advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane &#8212; yes, it&#8217;s industry standard that if an author fulfills contract terms but the book doesn&#8217;t &#8220;earn out&#8221;, the author still gets to keep the whole advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Angelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s fair that the author gives the advance back for the second book if he never delivered it (or there was a breach of contract).  Otherwise, it&#039;s my understanding that the author keeps it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fair that the author gives the advance back for the second book if he never delivered it (or there was a breach of contract).  Otherwise, it&#8217;s my understanding that the author keeps it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it that the standard in the industry is to not get a return of the advance against royalties or is that contractual?  Because I had heard that in the contract, the publisher has the right to ask for a return of whatever advance is not earned out but never does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it that the standard in the industry is to not get a return of the advance against royalties or is that contractual?  Because I had heard that in the contract, the publisher has the right to ask for a return of whatever advance is not earned out but never does.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t fulfill your contract, you *do* have to return the advance on books you don&#039;t complete and turn in (also, often the publishers can demand the advance back if they deem the book you turn in unpublishable, even after revisions). But if you turn in a book, and they publish it, that advance belongs to the author, no matter how little actual profit the publisher realizes on the book. It is not a loan that must be repaid if the book tanks. If the book earns more money than the author has been advanced, then the authors gets additional royalties. The publishers already protect themselves by holding reserves on a book&#039;s earnings, sometimes for years and years.

It sounds like this was a poorly worded contract. The author thinks it covers only one book, while the publisher thinks it covers two. What agent or attorney would allow that ambiguity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t fulfill your contract, you *do* have to return the advance on books you don&#8217;t complete and turn in (also, often the publishers can demand the advance back if they deem the book you turn in unpublishable, even after revisions). But if you turn in a book, and they publish it, that advance belongs to the author, no matter how little actual profit the publisher realizes on the book. It is not a loan that must be repaid if the book tanks. If the book earns more money than the author has been advanced, then the authors gets additional royalties. The publishers already protect themselves by holding reserves on a book&#8217;s earnings, sometimes for years and years.</p>
<p>It sounds like this was a poorly worded contract. The author thinks it covers only one book, while the publisher thinks it covers two. What agent or attorney would allow that ambiguity?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Emily, if you aren&#039;t going to fulfill your contract, why shouldn&#039;t it be returned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Emily, if you aren&#8217;t going to fulfill your contract, why shouldn&#8217;t it be returned?</p>
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		<title>By: veinglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>veinglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An advance is an advance of royalties.  It is important it not be returnable because this makes it an &#039;honest signal&#039; of how well the publisher thinks they will do with the book and therefore their quality as a publisher.  This is the only really reliable indciator an author has when choosing a publisher for a highly commercial book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An advance is an advance of royalties.  It is important it not be returnable because this makes it an &#8216;honest signal&#8217; of how well the publisher thinks they will do with the book and therefore their quality as a publisher.  This is the only really reliable indciator an author has when choosing a publisher for a highly commercial book.</p>
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