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	<title>Comments on: Cassie Edwards&#8217; Books Bear Similar (okay Exact) Text to Previously Published Texts</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi everyone out there i am one of cassie edwards fans i have all of her books and i ran up on this sight.  i have seen some sad things go on but this is just silly she wrote the book almost a year ago you think someone would have found it before it got out on store shevles.  you never know she might have asked the person who wrote the ferret book if she could use it or she might have researched it somewhere and put it in the same words not knowing that it was already in another book WE ARE ONLY HUMAN PROBLEMS HAPPEN YOU ALL ACT LIKE SHE WE OUT AND KILLED SOMEONE OR RAPED A CHILD ITS A BOOK.   GET OVER IT, ITS JUST A BOOK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi everyone out there i am one of cassie edwards fans i have all of her books and i ran up on this sight.  i have seen some sad things go on but this is just silly she wrote the book almost a year ago you think someone would have found it before it got out on store shevles.  you never know she might have asked the person who wrote the ferret book if she could use it or she might have researched it somewhere and put it in the same words not knowing that it was already in another book WE ARE ONLY HUMAN PROBLEMS HAPPEN YOU ALL ACT LIKE SHE WE OUT AND KILLED SOMEONE OR RAPED A CHILD ITS A BOOK.   GET OVER IT, ITS JUST A BOOK.</p>
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		<title>By: Sources for Plagiarists&#8217; Excuses &#171; The Not-so-deep Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sources for Plagiarists&#8217; Excuses &#171; The Not-so-deep Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they&#039;re the same. To doubt otherwise makes me suspicious of your motives. 

Edwards thievery: their closest relations are European ferrets and Siberian polecats. Researchers theorize that polecats crossed the land bridge that once linked Siberia and Alaska, to establish the New World population.

Paul Tome original: Their closest relatives are European ferrets and Siberian polecats. Researchers theorize polecats crossed the land bridge that once linked Siberia and Alaska to establish the New World population</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they&#8217;re the same. To doubt otherwise makes me suspicious of your motives. </p>
<p>Edwards thievery: their closest relations are European ferrets and Siberian polecats. Researchers theorize that polecats crossed the land bridge that once linked Siberia and Alaska, to establish the New World population.</p>
<p>Paul Tome original: Their closest relatives are European ferrets and Siberian polecats. Researchers theorize polecats crossed the land bridge that once linked Siberia and Alaska to establish the New World population</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a naysayer here, but the writings are not EXACTLY the same as was alluded to earlier by Jane. They&#039;re similar, but similar doesn&#039;t equate to plagiarism. When you write about factual details, like the color or size of an animal&#039;s foot, naturally that information may appear in more than one author&#039;s story, especially if the authors are writing about the same subject matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a naysayer here, but the writings are not EXACTLY the same as was alluded to earlier by Jane. They&#8217;re similar, but similar doesn&#8217;t equate to plagiarism. When you write about factual details, like the color or size of an animal&#8217;s foot, naturally that information may appear in more than one author&#8217;s story, especially if the authors are writing about the same subject matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shakes head*

what&#039;s wrong with people these days? 

when I was growing up the idea of plagarism was a Bad Thing - now it&#039;s acceptable?

What&#039;s Going On???

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shakes head*</p>
<p>what&#8217;s wrong with people these days? </p>
<p>when I was growing up the idea of plagarism was a Bad Thing &#8211; now it&#8217;s acceptable?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Going On???</p>
<p>:(</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to sound like a victim but people have been stealing from the Lakota since the Americas was first &quot;discovered&quot;, so Cassie Edwards stealing from Standing Bear isn&#039;t a surprise to me. (I wonder if there will be a problem because the original text was not in English?) Either way maybe this will finally convince Cassie Edwards to stop writing her noble savage finds love in the arms of a wisichu books. I think her written portrayals of Lakota and other Native people is almost as insulting as her stealing the words from a deceased Oglala leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to sound like a victim but people have been stealing from the Lakota since the Americas was first &#8220;discovered&#8221;, so Cassie Edwards stealing from Standing Bear isn&#39;t a surprise to me. (I wonder if there will be a problem because the original text was not in English?) Either way maybe this will finally convince Cassie Edwards to stop writing her noble savage finds love in the arms of a wisichu books. I think her written portrayals of Lakota and other Native people is almost as insulting as her stealing the words from a deceased Oglala leader.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie feagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephanie feagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just PMSing, but somehow this post struck a sad note for me.

Then again, maybe it&#039;s because I volunteered to review a Cassie Edwards book for Paperback Reader, reasoning that a.) I&#039;ve never actually read one and I want to form my own opinion, and b) I&#039;m insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just PMSing, but somehow this post struck a sad note for me.</p>
<p>Then again, maybe it&#8217;s because I volunteered to review a Cassie Edwards book for Paperback Reader, reasoning that a.) I&#8217;ve never actually read one and I want to form my own opinion, and b) I&#8217;m insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Inclan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Inclan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the myth, wouldn&#039;t that story fall under the &quot;common knowledge&quot; law, meaning, that it&#039;s a common story (like any biblical story) and the retelling of that story wouldn&#039;t be plagiarism.  So if in a novel, a character told the story of Jesus on the cross, it would likely sound similar to other more famous tellings of it.

The ferret aspect, well, I don&#039;t know about the common knowledge aspect there.  If you are doing research and get close to paraphrasing, you need to just rewrite and then give credit where credit is due at the end of the book or in the acknowledgements.

I teach freshman composition at a community college, and you would not beleive what we go through in terms of students stealing off the internet.  I can pretty much put in a phrase and poof! there is the essay it came from.  I think that if our authors are doing it, we are doomed.

Jessica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the myth, wouldn&#8217;t that story fall under the &#8220;common knowledge&#8221; law, meaning, that it&#8217;s a common story (like any biblical story) and the retelling of that story wouldn&#8217;t be plagiarism.  So if in a novel, a character told the story of Jesus on the cross, it would likely sound similar to other more famous tellings of it.</p>
<p>The ferret aspect, well, I don&#8217;t know about the common knowledge aspect there.  If you are doing research and get close to paraphrasing, you need to just rewrite and then give credit where credit is due at the end of the book or in the acknowledgements.</p>
<p>I teach freshman composition at a community college, and you would not beleive what we go through in terms of students stealing off the internet.  I can pretty much put in a phrase and poof! there is the essay it came from.  I think that if our authors are doing it, we are doomed.</p>
<p>Jessica</p>
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		<title>By: Flight into Fantasy &#187; In lieu of content</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/interviews/cassie-edwards-books-bear-similar-okay-exact-text-to-previously-published-texts/#comment-117633</link>
		<dc:creator>Flight into Fantasy &#187; In lieu of content</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and pasting done by romance author Cassie Edwards. You can find links to the original posts from the summary at Dear Author. I&#8217;d link to the posts themselves from here, but the SBTB site has been kind of wonky for me [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and pasting done by romance author Cassie Edwards. You can find links to the original posts from the summary at Dear Author. I&#8217;d link to the posts themselves from here, but the SBTB site has been kind of wonky for me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s fixed!  I&#039;m probably biased here (ya think?), but I think this is one good-looking blog, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s fixed!  I&#8217;m probably biased here (ya think?), but I think this is one good-looking blog, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/interviews/cassie-edwards-books-bear-similar-okay-exact-text-to-previously-published-texts/#comment-117611</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we never got contacted by Ms. Lee&#039;s lawyer.  We do occasionally receive emails from Ms. Lee but haven&#039;t been served with any papers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we never got contacted by Ms. Lee&#8217;s lawyer.  We do occasionally receive emails from Ms. Lee but haven&#8217;t been served with any papers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ag</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/features/interviews/cassie-edwards-books-bear-similar-okay-exact-text-to-previously-published-texts/#comment-117602</link>
		<dc:creator>ag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, another great piece of detective work by both SB and you. Thanks for the public service. Oh, and just out of curiosity, did Ms Lee&#039;s lawyer/solicitor eventually contact you?

I guess by the fact that you&#039;re still posting, that she has not managed to drag your name through the mud. For that, I&#039;ll be eternally grateful to her. Stay funny ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, another great piece of detective work by both SB and you. Thanks for the public service. Oh, and just out of curiosity, did Ms Lee&#8217;s lawyer/solicitor eventually contact you?</p>
<p>I guess by the fact that you&#8217;re still posting, that she has not managed to drag your name through the mud. For that, I&#8217;ll be eternally grateful to her. Stay funny ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chicklet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicklet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But has anyone alerted the publisher in question? Seems like something a publisher might like to know.&lt;/em&gt;

In the first post on this matter, Candy said they had emailed the same information to The Penguin Group and to Dorchester.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But has anyone alerted the publisher in question? Seems like something a publisher might like to know.</em></p>
<p>In the first post on this matter, Candy said they had emailed the same information to The Penguin Group and to Dorchester.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am working to fix the block quote thingy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am working to fix the block quote thingy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, and when I pressed post, the site reverted back to the blue and white -- but at least I can see the block quote formatting now, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, and when I pressed post, the site reverted back to the blue and white &#8212; but at least I can see the block quote formatting now, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, I don&#039;t know the legal ramifications about using information from the internet, but I thought a writer had to give credit to sources used when directly quoting and such.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Although the SB site is down right now, IIRC most of the sources were published books, including one by Charles Bird Grinnell, who is quite famous.  In fact, anyone in Native American studies would recognize most if not all of those sources (Candy, Sarah, and Candy&#039;s friend Kate found the references in Google books, I think).  In any case, there should always be attribution to avoid a charge of plagiarism, but even with attribution one cannot simply quote or paraphrase without AT LEAST specific attribution like a footnote or endnote (specific to the passage) and, in the case of a direct quote, quotation marks. Close paraphrasing can still be plagiarism, however.  Although plagiarism itself, as Jane pointed out, is not a legal concept or term and has no legal implications in and of itself.  If, however, someone uses unattributed work, which has a registered copyright, then there is the potential for a claim and a case of copyright infringement, which, as Jane pointed out, doesn&#039;t require any conscious intent to prove (that is, if you copy work that has been copyrighted and registered, it&#039;s infringement, whether you meant to or not).

On a side note, am I the only one who can&#039;t see any of the block quote formatting in these comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, I don&#39;t know the legal ramifications about using information from the internet, but I thought a writer had to give credit to sources used when directly quoting and such.</p></blockquote>
<p>Although the SB site is down right now, IIRC most of the sources were published books, including one by Charles Bird Grinnell, who is quite famous.  In fact, anyone in Native American studies would recognize most if not all of those sources (Candy, Sarah, and Candy&#8217;s friend Kate found the references in Google books, I think).  In any case, there should always be attribution to avoid a charge of plagiarism, but even with attribution one cannot simply quote or paraphrase without AT LEAST specific attribution like a footnote or endnote (specific to the passage) and, in the case of a direct quote, quotation marks. Close paraphrasing can still be plagiarism, however.  Although plagiarism itself, as Jane pointed out, is not a legal concept or term and has no legal implications in and of itself.  If, however, someone uses unattributed work, which has a registered copyright, then there is the potential for a claim and a case of copyright infringement, which, as Jane pointed out, doesn&#8217;t require any conscious intent to prove (that is, if you copy work that has been copyrighted and registered, it&#8217;s infringement, whether you meant to or not).</p>
<p>On a side note, am I the only one who can&#8217;t see any of the block quote formatting in these comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Okay, my question is who would have wanted to buy this book only to get a lecture on the origins of black-footed ferrets?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Particularly when you can read it online for free, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Okay, my question is who would have wanted to buy this book only to get a lecture on the origins of black-footed ferrets?
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<p>Particularly when you can read it online for free, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that you can file a suit but you can&#039;t get damages which makes the suit almost meaningless. I mean, you could possibly get an injunction against future sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that you can file a suit but you can&#8217;t get damages which makes the suit almost meaningless. I mean, you could possibly get an injunction against future sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Goings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Goings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard it said if you can prove you wrote the material first, you might have a case, even if your work isn&#039;t registered for a copyright.  Perhaps I&#039;m wrong...

But has anyone alerted the publisher in question?  Seems like something a publisher might like to know.

~~Becka</description>
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<p>But has anyone alerted the publisher in question?  Seems like something a publisher might like to know.</p>
<p>~~Becka</p>
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		<title>By: Jayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, my question is who would have wanted to buy this book only to get a lecture on the origins of black-footed ferrets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, my question is who would have wanted to buy this book only to get a lecture on the origins of black-footed ferrets?</p>
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