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	<title>Comments on: Simon &amp; Schuster Wants You . . . Forever</title>
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		<title>By: Angelle</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28832</link>
		<dc:creator>Angelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6444532.html&amp;&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Publishers Weekly&lt;/a&gt; wrote a short article about it.  Kristin and Victoria aren&#039;t the only unhappy industry people.

BTW -- I agree with Nonny and Nora.  I would feel very uncomfortable signing a contract that ties me to any one entity forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6444532.html&amp;&amp;" rel="nofollow">Publishers Weekly</a> wrote a short article about it.  Kristin and Victoria aren&#8217;t the only unhappy industry people.</p>
<p>BTW &#8212; I agree with Nonny and Nora.  I would feel very uncomfortable signing a contract that ties me to any one entity forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Jones</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-cant-go-for-thatno-can-do.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More commentary from Agent Kristin today&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2007/05/thats-no-moon-thats-space-station.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and yesterday&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-cant-go-for-thatno-can-do.html" rel="nofollow">More commentary from Agent Kristin today</a> and <a href="http://pubrants.blogspot.com/2007/05/thats-no-moon-thats-space-station.html" rel="nofollow">and yesterday</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Jones</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28804</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria Strauss of Writer Beware gives &lt;a href=&quot;http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2007/05/victoria-strauss-contract-alert-simon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a detailed explanation of why this matters&lt;/a&gt;, with an example of the reversion clause in her own existing contract with S&amp;S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria Strauss of Writer Beware gives <a href="http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2007/05/victoria-strauss-contract-alert-simon.html" rel="nofollow">a detailed explanation of why this matters</a>, with an example of the reversion clause in her own existing contract with S&amp;S.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Meadows</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28767</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Meadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 11:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the actual language of the contract?

I see a lot of people holding forth on what the contract &lt;em&gt;does,&lt;/em&gt; but nobody posting what it &lt;em&gt;says.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the actual language of the contract?</p>
<p>I see a lot of people holding forth on what the contract <em>does,</em> but nobody posting what it <em>says.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nora Roberts</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28763</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 10:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is scary, imo.

While Harlequin retains the rights to my backlist for them, they do so according to the terms of the contract, by keeping the books in print. I believe the oop term for reversion is 5 or 7 years. I&#039;d check that, but that&#039;s what agents are for. 

The 5 or 7 is a long time from some standpoints, but at least there&#039;s a defined end--and I believe it&#039;s in the same neighborhood for my contracts with Putnam/Berkley. I assumed that was industry standard.

Forever just isn&#039;t acceptible to me. I can&#039;t imagine it would fly well with most agents either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is scary, imo.</p>
<p>While Harlequin retains the rights to my backlist for them, they do so according to the terms of the contract, by keeping the books in print. I believe the oop term for reversion is 5 or 7 years. I&#8217;d check that, but that&#8217;s what agents are for. </p>
<p>The 5 or 7 is a long time from some standpoints, but at least there&#8217;s a defined end&#8211;and I believe it&#8217;s in the same neighborhood for my contracts with Putnam/Berkley. I assumed that was industry standard.</p>
<p>Forever just isn&#8217;t acceptible to me. I can&#8217;t imagine it would fly well with most agents either.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mess in Progress &#187; News From the Author&#8217;s Guild Regarding Simon &#38; Schuster</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28747</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mess in Progress &#187; News From the Author&#8217;s Guild Regarding Simon &#38; Schuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 04:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Author&#8217;s Guild hasÂ just released the following &#8212; and thank you to Alison Kent, Dear Author and others who posted this before me. SIMON &amp; SCHUSTER APPEARS TO BE SEEKING A PERMANENT STAKE [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Author&#8217;s Guild hasÂ just released the following &#8212; and thank you to Alison Kent, Dear Author and others who posted this before me. SIMON &amp; SCHUSTER APPEARS TO BE SEEKING A PERMANENT STAKE [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not &quot;established,&quot; but speaking as someone pursuing a career as a NY print-published author... no way in hell would I sign something like that. Can we say &quot;fuckjob&quot; here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;established,&#8221; but speaking as someone pursuing a career as a NY print-published author&#8230; no way in hell would I sign something like that. Can we say &#8220;fuckjob&#8221; here?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, newbie authors will sign up, and think themselves lucky that they got a contract, period, until the rose-tinted glasses start clearing up.  By then, it&#039;s usually too late. 

I wonder how many established authors will sign up to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, newbie authors will sign up, and think themselves lucky that they got a contract, period, until the rose-tinted glasses start clearing up.  By then, it&#8217;s usually too late. </p>
<p>I wonder how many established authors will sign up to this?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Simon &#38; Schuster tightens up on publishing rights &#187; Velcro City Tourist Board &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://dearauthor.com/book-reviews/simon-schuster-wants-you-forever/#comment-28712</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Simon &#38; Schuster tightens up on publishing rights &#187; Velcro City Tourist Board &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be a place where our books are permanently squirreled away.&#8221; It&#8217;s a sentiment that Jane Litte at Dearauthor.com wholeheartedly agrees with. &#8220;The publisher is signaling that it will no longer include minimum sales requirements for a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be a place where our books are permanently squirreled away.&#8221; It&#8217;s a sentiment that Jane Litte at Dearauthor.com wholeheartedly agrees with. &#8220;The publisher is signaling that it will no longer include minimum sales requirements for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raelene Gorlinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raelene Gorlinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for so quickly correcting your article! We appreciate it.

Every publisher has a &quot;boilerplate&quot; contract that fits almost all their authors/books. I cannot stress enough how important it is that authors read and understand their contract before signing. If you don&#039;t understand something in it, ASK. And get experienced, professional advice.  Then consider your own priorities and career plans, and what elements of the contract may or may not be negotiable. 

Raelene Gorlinsky, Publisher, Ellora&#039;s Cave Publishing Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for so quickly correcting your article! We appreciate it.</p>
<p>Every publisher has a &#8220;boilerplate&#8221; contract that fits almost all their authors/books. I cannot stress enough how important it is that authors read and understand their contract before signing. If you don&#8217;t understand something in it, ASK. And get experienced, professional advice.  Then consider your own priorities and career plans, and what elements of the contract may or may not be negotiable. </p>
<p>Raelene Gorlinsky, Publisher, Ellora&#8217;s Cave Publishing Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: LinM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LinM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect open-ended contracts have been a problem in the romance genre for a long time - the number of authors who have commented on their own rights (or lack there-of) to their own backlist is huge.

However, I have been wary of S&amp;S ever since their publication of Ian Kelly&#039;s biography of Beau Brummel. They promised this book as an e-release and then reneged. The biography may not have done well in print but I suspect that over a longer period of time it may have performed well as an e-release. 

Based on this experience, my perception is that S&amp;S have problems on the e-pub side. I signed up for news of the Brummel book. Every month, I get an email thanking me for a current purchase (none) followed several days later by an apology (noting that I have no recent purchases). Damn, this looks bad.

I would recommend that any author signing a contract with S&amp;S should have the contract examined by an agent and a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect open-ended contracts have been a problem in the romance genre for a long time &#8211; the number of authors who have commented on their own rights (or lack there-of) to their own backlist is huge.</p>
<p>However, I have been wary of S&amp;S ever since their publication of Ian Kelly&#8217;s biography of Beau Brummel. They promised this book as an e-release and then reneged. The biography may not have done well in print but I suspect that over a longer period of time it may have performed well as an e-release. </p>
<p>Based on this experience, my perception is that S&amp;S have problems on the e-pub side. I signed up for news of the Brummel book. Every month, I get an email thanking me for a current purchase (none) followed several days later by an apology (noting that I have no recent purchases). Damn, this looks bad.</p>
<p>I would recommend that any author signing a contract with S&amp;S should have the contract examined by an agent and a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I can&#039;t believe they&#039;re going that far.  I&#039;m kind of curious as to why.  Why would they want to retain the rights of a book they don&#039;t plan to continue selling..or that has very low sales?

I can understand, to a point.  From what I understand (and please correct me if I&#039;m wrong) J.R.Ward didn&#039;t sell very well when she was writing as Jessica Bird.  Now that she&#039;s gained a larger fan base, however, I would imagine her JB books are selling much better.  I can see how a publisher would want to continue to make a profit in cases such as this.

But...well, aren&#039;t they hurting themselves?



&lt;blockquote&gt;Ellora&#039;s Cave, like almost all major publishers, has a contract with grant of rights for life of copyright. HOWEVER, our contract does indeed include the standard and normal clause allowing the author to get their rights back if the book is out of print (which for ebooks would mean we are no longer offering it for sale) OR if sales drop below a certain amount within a year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure I understand this.  What, exactly, does that mean?  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard of a book selling forever.  I.E. if I published a book tomorrow, I don&#039;t think it would still be flying off the shelves ten years after the fact.  So at some point, whether it be a week after publication or ten years after, the sales are going to drop, aren&#039;t they?  So why have the &quot;life&quot; clause then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;re going that far.  I&#8217;m kind of curious as to why.  Why would they want to retain the rights of a book they don&#8217;t plan to continue selling..or that has very low sales?</p>
<p>I can understand, to a point.  From what I understand (and please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) J.R.Ward didn&#8217;t sell very well when she was writing as Jessica Bird.  Now that she&#8217;s gained a larger fan base, however, I would imagine her JB books are selling much better.  I can see how a publisher would want to continue to make a profit in cases such as this.</p>
<p>But&#8230;well, aren&#8217;t they hurting themselves?</p>
<blockquote><p>Ellora&#39;s Cave, like almost all major publishers, has a contract with grant of rights for life of copyright. HOWEVER, our contract does indeed include the standard and normal clause allowing the author to get their rights back if the book is out of print (which for ebooks would mean we are no longer offering it for sale) OR if sales drop below a certain amount within a year.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand this.  What, exactly, does that mean?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard of a book selling forever.  I.E. if I published a book tomorrow, I don&#8217;t think it would still be flying off the shelves ten years after the fact.  So at some point, whether it be a week after publication or ten years after, the sales are going to drop, aren&#8217;t they?  So why have the &#8220;life&#8221; clause then?</p>
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		<title>By: Raelene Gorlinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raelene Gorlinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dear Authors, 

A blatant fact error in your article on S&amp;S and contracts has been brought to my attention, and I ask that you correct your article. 

Ellora&#039;s Cave, like almost all major publishers, has a contract with grant of rights for life of copyright. HOWEVER, our contract does indeed include the standard and normal clause allowing the author to get their rights back if the book is out of print (which for ebooks would mean we are no longer offering it for sale) OR if sales drop below a certain amount within a year.

It is that minimum sales requirement clause that S&amp;S is reported to be eliminating - thus leaving an author with no way to reclaim their rights to the book even if S&amp;S chooses not to offer it for sale any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dear Authors, </p>
<p>A blatant fact error in your article on S&amp;S and contracts has been brought to my attention, and I ask that you correct your article. </p>
<p>Ellora&#8217;s Cave, like almost all major publishers, has a contract with grant of rights for life of copyright. HOWEVER, our contract does indeed include the standard and normal clause allowing the author to get their rights back if the book is out of print (which for ebooks would mean we are no longer offering it for sale) OR if sales drop below a certain amount within a year.</p>
<p>It is that minimum sales requirement clause that S&amp;S is reported to be eliminating &#8211; thus leaving an author with no way to reclaim their rights to the book even if S&amp;S chooses not to offer it for sale any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for highlighting this -- it&#039;s something authors need to know about, especially authors who don&#039;t yet have an agent and might not know that this is a Bad Thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for highlighting this &#8212; it&#8217;s something authors need to know about, especially authors who don&#8217;t yet have an agent and might not know that this is a Bad Thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Schwab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is bad, bad, BAD news. No author should sign such a contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is bad, bad, BAD news. No author should sign such a contract.</p>
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